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    #1

    CHRISTMAS PAH!!!!

    HEY well guess what? Yeah made another rather hippie wayward emotional post and now guess what? YUP doing another one!

    So XMAS? OH by god don't we all love it! Just another time of year when we should all feel so 'festive' and thank our lucky stars we're still alive and able to celebrate with our families???????????

    SORRY FUCK THAT! Again we are forced to go beyond our means to make light of a situation and how we are forced to make out we 'care' about these people in the name of what????? I may offend some people here now and GOOD! XMAS? Tell me? WHAT THE FUCK IS XMAS ABOUT? YEAH? SO? we can all agree it was a religious festival yeah? Hands up who's religious? WELL FUCK ME? GUESS WHAT? NEITHER AM I!!lol

    So I ask myself (because of the children) again another marketing ploy I am forced to BUY into I am forced to buy presents to make my 'love' known' for those kids? Father's Day? Mother's Day? Valentines Day? etc etc? What is this festival we celebrate this time of year etc and WHY do we do it? I mean no disrespect by this but Nancy and many others celebrate this for a reason. God bless them for their faith. I on the other hand have to spend every last penny from my giro to make it understood that i have 'love' for my child and my family. THAT IS LOVE?

    I HAVE principals but at the same time I am rail-roaded into this 'celebration' for what most people have no idea about. Wasn't even Christian it was Pagan to begin with. Look at your history. Ancient Celts to do with Ireland makes a good start!.

    So..................Sorry to put a dampener on things etc BUT! NOT EVEN FOR THE KIDS!!etc IT don't wash with me OK.........????????????
    "Keep me away from the wisdom which does not cry, the philosophy which does not laugh and the greatness which does not bow before children." Kahlil Gibran
    Clean and sober 25th January 2009
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    #2
    CHRISTMAS PAH!!!!

    Hippie - nice rant!

    To each his own, I guess. I am religious and it is important to my family - and we try to stress that side of the holiday. I don't think that you have to spend 'every last penny' to make a child feel loved, but I do believe there are plenty of lessons to be learned by children and adults alike.

    Every year we 'adopt' a local family and buy presents, grocery store coupons, etc. so they can have a nice holiday. What does that mean to us? We cut back on what we spend on each other and our son. That's okay with everyone though, because we go as a family and pick out the toys, wrap them, and then give them to the family.

    Hipster, I can appreciate and respect your point of view. But I love this time of year for all that it stands for, and to me it means 'peace of earth, and goodwill toward men.' Okay, that was a little corny, but you get the point!
    Sobriety Date: June 15, 2007 -- "It's not having what you want, It's wanting what you've got...."

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      #3
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      To me it's commercialism, materialism, everything that's wrong with this world my friend. I don't doubt your faith etc. Faith is something I lack in this world but with good evidence I guess. I'm just making MY point heard I guess? There is no true 'spirit' in Xmas anymore at all! I would be doing all that I could for my daughter and those around me at any other time of the year>>>>>>>WHY NOW? it should be EVERYTIME of year that we do this should it not? Why give gifts NOW? In the name of what? People don't even 'understand' WHY? FATHER XMAS?
      "Keep me away from the wisdom which does not cry, the philosophy which does not laugh and the greatness which does not bow before children." Kahlil Gibran
      Clean and sober 25th January 2009

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        #4
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        LOL Athlete.. that was lots corny! :H

        I'm more with hipster on this one, I'm afraid.. although I don't feel quite as strongly. But I do think it's pretty sad that we tend to use a holiday or occasion to do things for one another that should be entirely from the heart and dependent on need only.

        I honestly value something special from my kids (as an example) WAY more if it comes ANY day, other than Mother's day.
        Okay, WHO put a stop payment on my reality check?

        Winning since October 24th, 2013

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          #5
          CHRISTMAS PAH!!!!

          Hahaha...Yep..If your gonna rant..do it properly..

          I'll be honest..i'm not religious..except when i'm in trouble..
          This is gonna sound weird but to me Christmas is more magic than holy..I can remember being a kid at christmas and thinking this is the most magical and wonderous thing in the world..And its my job to make sure my kids have that same experiance..I break my neck trying to give them that..And i get as much back seeing their faces..
          It does cost an absolute fortune..And i have bought presents for the little-ens before i have paid the rent..But they are only kids once..
          I don't care who you are...Your not walking on water while i'm fishing..
          One drink is too many... A thousand is never enough...Sober since July 2nd 2009

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            #6
            CHRISTMAS PAH!!!!

            Oh, I completely agree that it has been over-commercialized. Christmas trees up in the store in October tells me that, as do all the TV ads trying to get me to buy something.

            Not disagreeing with you here, as it sometimes can be hard to find the true meaning of Christmas. People waiting in lines, shoving, spending hundreds of dollars on a toy...

            We just have a different viewpoint on it, I guess. Sometimes it is up to us as individuals to find and show others the true meaning of Christmas.

            Macks, I love your take on it!
            Sobriety Date: June 15, 2007 -- "It's not having what you want, It's wanting what you've got...."

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              #7
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              We really enjoy the same stuff as AA. For our family it is about spending time together. My kids enjoy the gifts but really like being able to share some of our good fortune with some one that needs a hand up.
              It's a celebration of salvation and sharing, for that I am thankful and maybe a bit corny

              Jesus saves
              Was an alcoholic yesterday, an alcoholic today and will still be an alcoholic tomorrow..... but I'm in charge now!

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                #8
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                Mack I guess it's because I've experienced all that 'shit' that I don't want my daughter to 'expect' at this time of year! Yeah admittedly I still give her the speal about Xmas.......I HAVE TO because of my ex etc. I'm not gonna ruing HER Xmas I guess! That would bd total unconcsious parernting on my behalf!! NOT GONNA DO THAT! YET! I still hold my tounge mate and hold y beliefs at heart!! Gotta mate otherwise I ain't true to myself!!

                I asked my dad one year why our chimney was blocked up? How was santa gonna get in? He took me to the back door and said listen son. I'm leaving the back door open just for you. I don't doubt it's about the kids mate but just hate the marketing as I said. It's totally different these days. I fucking hate it!
                "Keep me away from the wisdom which does not cry, the philosophy which does not laugh and the greatness which does not bow before children." Kahlil Gibran
                Clean and sober 25th January 2009

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                  #9
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                  WE ARE THINKING UP NEW IDEAS TO MAKE IT MAGICAL ARE WE NOT?
                  "Keep me away from the wisdom which does not cry, the philosophy which does not laugh and the greatness which does not bow before children." Kahlil Gibran
                  Clean and sober 25th January 2009

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                    #10
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                    I love the music.
                    My life is better without alcohol, since 9/1/12. My sobriety tool is the list at permalink 236 on the toolbox thread under monthly abstinance.

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                      #11
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                      Hippie I share your feelings. I am absolutely committed to sharing and giving to others, all year long. And I find it totally galling to be told what to do (buy a lot of stuff) and how to feel (filled with joy and warmth, for no particular reason, while being forced to listen to horrible music played over and over). If it were a Christian holy day that was celebrated primarily by making a special effort to give to and be of service to the poor, the marginalized, the lonely, the earth, and animals... then I'd get right into that activity and that "spirit," even though I no longer identify as Christian... (But only if i didn't have to listen to that awful music... )

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                        #12
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                        Yeah...There's nothing about Cliff Richard a high powered rifle woudnt fix..

                        Hips...I can see your side Very clearly...And if i wasnt such a softarse would echo you...I think guilt for not being a "100%" real dad all these years gives me a excuse to make up..

                        This is a bit like therapy
                        I don't care who you are...Your not walking on water while i'm fishing..
                        One drink is too many... A thousand is never enough...Sober since July 2nd 2009

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                          #13
                          CHRISTMAS PAH!!!!

                          A Work in Progress;485393 wrote: Hippie I share your feelings. I am absolutely committed to sharing and giving to others, all year long. And I find it totally galling to be told what to do (buy a lot of stuff) and how to feel (filled with joy and warmth, for no particular reason, while being forced to listen to horrible music played over and over). If it were a Christian holy day that was celebrated primarily by making a special effort to give to and be of service to the poor, the marginalized, the lonely, the earth, and animals... then I'd get right into that activity and that "spirit," even though I no longer identify as Christian... (But only if i didn't have to listen to that awful music... )
                          WIP I guess like usual you have summed my thoughts up in a more 'serene' approach to this subject. One that really gets my back up etc tbh. But thank you for being YOU again. I appreciate your words.

                          Love to you my friend Hippie xx
                          "Keep me away from the wisdom which does not cry, the philosophy which does not laugh and the greatness which does not bow before children." Kahlil Gibran
                          Clean and sober 25th January 2009

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                            #14
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                            Best therapy in the world Macks!

                            Thinking of others and putting them first is never a bad thing in my book!!
                            Sobriety Date: June 15, 2007 -- "It's not having what you want, It's wanting what you've got...."

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                              #15
                              CHRISTMAS PAH!!!!

                              I agree with you all about how materialistic it has all become. Walmart had Christmas stuff out before halloween! And now I feel doubly bad that I'd be a bad American if I don't help to stir up this economy. The pressure is on though from these commercials, who is really gonna buy somebody a Lexus for Christmas, please raise your hands? But we here are all in the same boat, nobody has money to spend, my co-workers and I agreed to make our gifts, whether it is cookies or some crafty thing we're good at. Alot of people are rejecting the blatant pressure to over-extend because so many got in trouble with that mentality. There's more to Christmas than buying stuff. I'm lucky my son is grown and I'm gonna tell him and his girlfriend to set a limit. Like $10, seriously.
                              The more we appreciate life, the more life appreciates and bestows us with more goodness.

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