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    It's like this... a meeting room...

    It's as if I'm in a meeting room with a lot of other people who have alcohol problems. We came to the room to try to help ourselves, and each other.

    In this place I am in, this "room," I have a lot of friends. I have received and given much help and support here. Being in this room helped me to stop drinking, and stay stopped, when I was terrified that I had lost my way, terrified that my drinking would kill me, the way it killed my father; certain that it would destroy me, the way it destroyed my family.

    But, right now, there are a few people here who truly dislike me and have, over the past several days, made that clear, very loudly. It's a damn shame, but those voices are louder, and more persistent, than the voices of support that I also am hearing. Anger, blame, and bitterness are always loud. If we were all (really) in a room, sitting together, the loud voices would overwhelm everything else, and destroy the calm and peace that existed in the room, before. Now, we even have new people being recruited (created?) to come here and blast their angry voices at me.

    "Ignoring" all of this would be my first choice. This very morning, I said in a post that I would not let anyone "run me away." But I am finding (as many others at MWO have found, when they too were being attacked) that "ignoring" is easier said than done... when it is happening in the place (the "room") where you are trying to get and give some help with our common problem. When you hoped to feel "safe."

    Watching my own responses to this, I am realizing that listening to these voices, even being in the same room with these voices, is not consistent with my own need for some calm, some peacefulness; this kind of agitation can easily lead to drinking. I can't go there. I have to choose a healthier and saner path.

    Obviously, my point of view is wildly inconsistent with that of many others here.

    If I have hurt any of you, I am deeply sorry.

    #2
    It's like this... a meeting room...

    I won't dispute that 'ignoring' is easier said than done, WIP.
    But, I truly hope you won't run off and disappear. I, for one, do value your contributions AND opinions. However, I also understand and support that you must do what is GOOD and HEALTHY for you.

    And, I really am a little disheartened to think what impression new comers are taking away from their first visits to this forum this week.

    .
    Okay, WHO put a stop payment on my reality check?

    Winning since October 24th, 2013

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      #3
      It's like this... a meeting room...

      ((((WIP))))

      A time or two I have disagreed with something someone said. As I said, that's my problem. Wouldn't it be dull and boring if we all had the same opinions? Heck, without some different points of view OUR VIEWPOINT would never be challenged. And if we can't challenge ourselves sometimes, we become a very one dimensional person.

      I like living in a world with 3-D glasses. :l

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        #4
        It's like this... a meeting room...

        Well said, Hart!
        Personally, I thrive on a good difference in opinion. Very much like you, I think it's healthy to question one self and each others ingrained points of view.

        I think someone took offense to WIP saying something like 'stick with the winners..' - funny, I totally understand what she meant. I love hanging around people who are BETTER than I am at whatever it is we chose to do together. Be it playing guitar, riding, dealing with AL. It urges ME to get better, I AM better when around those people, maybe I just try harder.

        I think the 'winners' are simply those who have greater skill and/or success.

        .
        Okay, WHO put a stop payment on my reality check?

        Winning since October 24th, 2013

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          #5
          It's like this... a meeting room...

          I have not read the attacks, nor am I interested in finding them. all I know WIP is that your presence here has helped me in my journey to improved health and consciousness and I'm grateful for 'real' people like you.
          nosce te ipsum
          (Know Thyself)

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            #6
            It's like this... a meeting room...

            being a bit healthier i can say ...

            :::::wip::::: there is no need to explain.. you do offer so much here. Without you and so many others, i won't mention, our community here would be MINUS leaders of STRENGTH.. it takes time to get to know people. We are not always sure someone is SINCERE when they come to these boards.. #1. :::YES::: a meeting room so to speak. There are options in chat to start another room!!! Good debates are fun!!! We learn to know each-other. I have learned to get along with others here, because people have been patient with me, and have :::I::: have allowed myself to listen to them, this is where PM's have finally done the most for Ripp.

            Alot of people don't like me, and thats OKAY!!! When we become more concerned about who likes who and not the topics, then we are onto another illness. Screw them. I can see what is going on right in front of my eyes here, everyday. :::YUP::: i think we all see alot going on here.

            Its forum life!!! This is what it does to us.. if we allow it!! If we all sat in the same room together and looked at eachother, it would be an entirely different story.. Thats why we make an effort to meet people personally. I have met some truly wonderful people here. I want to meet more, then my MWO experience is more meaningful.

            Actually when people are annoyed, its a SIGN they are ready for healing, or just plain fed-up with BULL SHIT..

            Thats just Ripple.. :thanks: Attached files [img]/converted_files/808657=4736-attachment.jpg[/img]

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              #7
              It's like this... a meeting room...

              it's a shame that when one is only trying to help others and is open and forthright, that they become the focus of other people's anger.
              history shows that people who aren't afraid to voice what they feel is right, are often targeted or scapegoated into being the problem...when really they are the voice of reason and peace.
              when you give so much of yourself to what you feel is a good thing, it really does hurt when people attack you for doing just that...unfortunately, the nuances of face to face interaction are lacking on the internet.

              i too, hope that the newer folks will see that nowhere is perfect , but that we try to work together and support each other's efforts, and that there are a million different ways to do just that, and when you find a way, you can stick with the folks who are on that same path.

              peace

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                #8
                It's like this... a meeting room...

                Well, I'm relatively new here and I have enjoyed every post WIP has posted. I would definitely miss those posts, so please don't stop them.

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                  #9
                  It's like this... a meeting room...

                  WIP

                  I am also a newbie here and agree with you BajaChic. I have taken many ideas from your posts to help with my recovery and hope that I can continue to do so. Thanks WIP.
                  Starting over again
                  ray:

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                    #10
                    It's like this... a meeting room...

                    Wow, it's a real bear pit in here today.

                    Wip, as you say you have lots of friends - and a few people who are not friendly to you. The number of people who have said you've helped them over the time you've been here - me included - far, far outweigh the others. And as for those spineless people who create aliases to attack... well, unbelievable really...

                    But I can see how hurtful these attacks on you are. I really hope you continue to offer great advice, but I agree with Sunshine that you have to do what is best for you - and I hope what is best for you is to STAY!
                    sigpic
                    AF since December 22nd 2008
                    Real change is difficult, and slow, and messy - Oliver Burkeman

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                      #11
                      It's like this... a meeting room...

                      WIPPY,
                      I have no idea what happened but you are a true friend to me and I very much value your insightful posts. My recovery has much to do with you and I am grateful so stick around my dear whipper snapper!!
                      "People usually fail when they are on the verge of success. So give as much care to the end as to the beginning." Lao-Tzu

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                        #12
                        It's like this... a meeting room...

                        Don't let the bastards get you down, WIP....

                        You are a wonderful asset here. You talk the talk while walking the walk, and if people don't like your direct approach to their struggle with alcohol, then the hell with them.

                        When I was af around the same time as you are, I used to get accused of being too tough on newbies or "habitual lapsers".....that's okay.....people can take what I say onboard or they can flush it....it's their choice. But I'm sure as hell not going to change the way I talk to people here.

                        You and Kate seem to be the "Bullies in the Spotlight" right now because you both are serious about living AF and want to show others it can be done, but we have to want it....and work at it....and be honest with ourselves.

                        Don't get sucked into an arguement with someone who's not worth the time.

                        You and Kate do a great job here......don't change anything....

                        Don

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                          #13
                          It's like this... a meeting room...

                          Another post that makes me sad.

                          I know it is unrealistic that a bunch of people from all different walks of life, up bringing, beliefs, etc would always get along.

                          I also think if we all contributed to these boards in exactly the same way as everyone else, it wouldn't be as helpful.

                          I read as much as I can every day.

                          I get many little "Aha" moments, just reading about different peoples experiences with fighting to stay AF AND from all the different replies, and ideas and solutions, and opinions.

                          I think you are a wonderful addition to this place WIP. :l

                          I am saddened by the strange "anonymous" posts from the two "new" members on another thread.

                          That bothers me more than any disagreement on the boards.

                          Keep doing exactly what you are doing.
                          You are living proof that an AF life IS possible.
                          Striving to live life without ALCOHOL

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                            #14
                            It's like this... a meeting room...

                            Hi WIP
                            Just a few thoughts on what you wrote. Walls and boundaries come to mind, walls are solid and rigid and keep others out and keep me trapped inside. Boundaries on the other hand are flexible, changeable and removable, so it is up to me how open or closed I am at any given time. They let me decide what behaviour is acceptable from others and myself. Therefore today I can say 'No' with love and not with hostility, so it doesnt put an end to my relationships. This is true of my personal boundaries as well. As I decide what is acceptable and unacceptable for me, I learn to live protected without walls. I dont know who
                            "Sticks and stones may break my bones but words can never hurt me." is a very powerful quote for me when I am feeling vulnerable. When I do carry the hurt it only hurts and controls me. How imortant is it? Clearly u are giving a great service here one you should be very proud of.
                            :l

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                              #15
                              It's like this... a meeting room...

                              wip, i have no clue why your getting attacked but I consider you one of my dear friends on my way out and I think if someone wants to attack you , they should at least have the balls to do it under there own user name!!

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