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[BecomingMeAtLast]

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Wippy,

I can't believe this. I just PM'd a new person (don't like the phrase newbie, see how different we all are?) about you and Kate on this very subject about two days ago! The new person said she felt MWO might be too "soft" for her. I recommended she read your posts, wipperoni, and Kates. I explained how diverse we all are in our recovery and that it's a good thing we are. It's one of the most important aspects of this forum! Our diversity and openness and willingness to accept each other as we are right now. No matter what.

We all know what AL can, and does to us. That's why we're here. We need stong people like you, whippy. I hope you've noticed that many times I've followed one of your posts with agreeing with you and asking the poster to please listen to you. I support you. I appreciate your efforts, your posts, your wisdom, the whole deal.

I'm a bit soft as a poster and I know that. I know my "place" here and I'm comfortable with that. I have to be a strict mom in the real world, a strict boss and I like being able to be here and be a softie. I love it and am grateful for the opportunity.

We need you, wip. I know you're strong enough to decide on your own what is best for you and as sunshine and others have already said, you come first. I just hope you'll be able to stay here and offer your insights. They're so important to this forum.

Take care,
Be

[Evie.Lou]

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Well said Irish ...
Be the willow NOT THE OAK !!!!

[KateH1]

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Hmmm....the Willow or the Oak...each has its own purpose, its own beauty and its own strength. The Oak has a strong trunk....roots that go deep into the earth....the Oak can sustain many sorts of severe weather and storms....and yet, the branches of the Oak offer shade in the heat, protection from the rain. The leaves of the Oak protect the delicate grasses and other more delicate growth from the harshness of winter, by coating the ground with its protection. Just as nature has many species and all are needed......so we are as humans!

[BecomingMeAtLast]

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You hit the nail on the freakin' head, Kate!

[peacenik]

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"Buildings And Bridges"

Buildings and bridges
are made to bend in the wind
to withstand the world,
that's what it takes
All that steel and stone
is no match for the air, my friend
what doesn't bend breaks
what doesn't bend breaks

we are made to bleed
and scab and heal and bleed again
and turn every scar into a joke
we are made to fight
and fuck and talk and fight again
and sit around and laugh until we choke
sit around and laugh until we choke

I don't know who you were expecting
probably some bitch who does not budge
with eyes the size of snow
I may get pissed off sometimes
but you seem like the type to hold a grudge
and in the end, I just let go...

Buildings and bridges
are made to bend in the wind
to withstand the world,
that's what it takes
All that steel and stone
is no match for the air, my friend
what doesn't bend breaks
what doesn't bend breaks

~ani difranco

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[dexterhead]

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WIP, I am sorry you are feeling attacked. I know you are contributing a lot to these forums. This argument about "tough love" has been going on here since I've been here, and before. I do think there's room for many opinions and I hope you will stick around.

[brittzak]

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I have absolutely NO IDEA what has happened here as I rarely venture out in to general anymore other than a select few threads .......BUT, I do want to share ...when I was drinking and feeling really SHITTY about myself...it was very easy for me to attack others. EVEN WIP...EVEN KATE....however, in my fight for long-term sobriety, I have adjusted my thinking. Whatever these ladies are doing...it WORKS....they were sober and my ass wasn't!!!!! Bottom line!!! Chief...yeah, he is a hard-ass too...UM...let me think...shit, he's sober too....so, seems these hard-noses, have one common thing..SOBRIETY...so, I stopped beating up everyone in my path and started LISTENING....they have alot to offer. You don't have to like everything they say, but value the fact that they GOT THERE and are staying there. Mouths closed, ears open here...AND SOBER! AND I thank-you you all for leading the way.....

[Sunbeam]

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WIP, I cherish your thoughts, bless your kindness for all you have given me and so many others. BUT you need to take care of yourself. AND alcoholism thrives on denial, which is why I imagine those loud voices attack you. Do what you need to do. I will always remember your honesty, kindness and tolerance. I have seen intolerant posts from other sober people here, but you are not like them and I thank you.

[Lila]

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I really second what Sunbeam said.
wip, I also am angry that a certain someone has been attacking you, out of the blue, interupting threads, you know who I mean, and has not been banned.
I would hate it if you left. Lately, I have been lurking...
And I always lurk on your posts!
Lila

[inhiding]

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WIP, I am also a newbie...and don't mind if anyone calls me that, but I find the "elders"....hope no one minds me calling them that...and the sober posters...what I need. Sometimes I find the chatter on some of the treads a way for some to take up time that they may otherwise be drinking???? I tend to skim quickly over those as I don't get much out of those posts...other then some humor at times....but if that is what they need to stay sober... so be it ...I don't care for the people who post while drunk as that is not what we are here for and even though I am a newbie...those can be spotted imediately...also skimmed over quickly.....please don't leave...those of us who have joined this group and are serious, and I think we are the majority (why would anyone google to get here if not in pain) need people like you who have been thru the trenches and dug your way out. We need to be reminded of why we came here in the first place, sometimes that is painful but I, for one, want to get out of the trenches and lead a life of sobriety.
Hope you come back to read these responses.
BU

[Prest4time]

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I just want to say that I am deeply saddened that you have been attacked WIP.... and I think you know as we all do, that the attacker/ attackees (is that a word?) are most likely hurting. I am usually out of the loop with this stuff, but I happened to log on when that thread was at the top and I was trying to catch up.

I too TOTALLY get what you were saying about the winners... it does not mean that anyone who is at a different stage of this journey is a loser. It just means grabbing hold of what you want to be... hanging out with those who inspire you to become that which you wonder without help, if you could ever be. I hope that makes sense.

I just want to make a personal character statement about WIP. I did not know WIP until my father committed suicide recently. We shared a common tragedy. I was reached out to and loved by WIP, and was helped through some of my darkest days and I will forever be grateful. You never forget the ones who supported you and stood by you in your darkest moments. I had read WIPs posts for a long time before, and had never seen anything other than positive encouragement, great humor and support. Many others here as well reached out to me and were kind beyond what I could have imagined... you know who you are, and I thank you WIP, and all of you.

[dexterhead]

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:l:lPrest, I did not know about your dad, I am so very sorry

[peacenik]

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wow...i'm so glad you had a kindred spirit through such an emotionally catastrophic time pft...

[Prest4time]

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Thank you Dexter and Tea.

WIP was incredibly encouraging to me during that time. I know I am not the only one WIP has encouraged and helped through difficult times.

Happy (early) Valentines Day WIP!! I hope you feel a lot of love coming your way. :h

[Accountable for Me]

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If someone was comfortable with their own progress or in their own skin; then why the constant expression of hurt on here by that person who is at the top of their game?

I am tired of seeing my friends leaving because they feel there is a huge issue of hypocritism here.

I hope things change, I have seen a lot of people leave here because things have changed. I don't think that RJ would appreciate people being run off of the boards.

Over and out.