Rhonda Lenair and alcoholism - be introduced to her and her work

[Marshy]

Rhonda Lenair and alcoholism - be introduced to her and her work

I'll be tucked up in bed at 7.30pm EDT but if it goes ahead I'll listen to it online.

I'm naturally cynical about this kind of stuff but I was pretty cynical about hypnotherapy until I had that, and was amazed by the physical and mental effect that had on me. I know you said Lenair isn't hypnotherapy, but it's in a similar realm, no?

[greeneyes]

Rhonda Lenair and alcoholism - be introduced to her and her work

Hi Marshy! I don't know much about hypnotherapy. Nothing, really. However I think it would be different because you are not in any altered state. Also, Rhonda is not suggesting to you what to think or do. She is only voicing what YOUR "self" is saying. She differentiates by saying "your self states"...... For example, my self wanted quinoa sprouts. She didn't know you could sprout quinoa. Hope that helps.

For many it is natural to by cynical. All the more reason to listen in. I'm cynical too, but I'm cynical about western medicine. :H I'm glad you're interested.

[rubywillow]

Rhonda Lenair and alcoholism - be introduced to her and her work

Its wonderful to watch this thread as people post their feelings in such adult ways!! If one thing worked for everyone wouldn't it be wonderful!, but it doesn't, so exploring different avenues is a must until we find our path. Again, remember when we have 'debates' , sometimes they are more difficult for us since our nerves seem to be closer to the skin than others. And, seriously, some are becoming extremely desperate.

[Marshy]

Rhonda Lenair and alcoholism - be introduced to her and her work

greeneyes;675358 wrote:

For many it is natural to by cynical. All the more reason to listen in..

Absolutely! Cynical but open-minded

It sounds not unlike my experience of hypnotherapy - I wasn't given suggestions about what to do/not do, it was much more nebulous than that. Anyhoo! That's a whole other thread.

Please keep us posted about whether the conference goes ahead and how it goes.

[lucky 2.0]

Rhonda Lenair and alcoholism - be introduced to her and her work

I saw Rhonda and I do think she fixed me. I later undid her fix but I am glad I went and I do think she has a gift.

[cowgal]

Rhonda Lenair and alcoholism - be introduced to her and her work

ditto!

I believe she has saved my alcoholic A*S now hopefully for the last time................AA couldn't even stop me from drinking this last go-around...............had stopped many times on my own, but progressive as this condition is, it got too hard last time, I had my doubts but the phonecall re-fixed what she miraculously did to me in Houston...............

I am a firm believer, I undid it (like Lucky)by tempting fate, will not do that again, following her advice to a "T" this time. Won't pick up that first one, and am not even tempted to.

MA:l:h

[greeneyes]

Rhonda Lenair and alcoholism - be introduced to her and her work

Hi MA! Glad to "hear" your cheerful voice!

[brittzak]

Rhonda Lenair and alcoholism - be introduced to her and her work

You know honestly....there are MANY, MANY methods out there. I encourage everyone to keep an open mind and explore your options. AA works for some, therapy has been a huge part of recovery for many here, MWO support certainly is the backbone for most of us, topamax, baclofin, antabuse, the supps....Lenair...rehab. It does not hurt to research all the options.

[beatle]

Rhonda Lenair and alcoholism - be introduced to her and her work

I went to Lenair awhile back. She did not help me with my alcohol problem at all. I felt no effect. I was 2 weeks sober when I went there, and remained 2 weeks sober after leaving. I don't know how that pans out statistically -- would I have relapsed 2 weeks earlier if I hadn't gone to her? Who knows and who cares? 2 weeks give or take is not much for a long-time alcoholic at the end of their string (or is it the last straw?).

I don't think the Lenairs (Barry changed his last name to his wife Rhonda's) are fakes. At least not Rhonda. Yes, she was a professional ballet dancer (and looks like she still is), but I think that is irrelevant because she has a gift that anybody in any vocation might have -- she just happened to discover her gift through a series of incidences, which if they hadn't occurred, she may have still been a ballet dancer (or teacher, anyway). She also spent many years in self study before she started healing "commercially".

The big problem I have with the Lenairs is not so much related to whether or not they are fakes, or voo-doo New Age, whatever.

My concerns are:

They oversell themselves in terms of what a person can expect from the "sessions" -- I don't believe there is any reliable data on how many people they "cure", but they claim to have a nearly perfect success rate.

Ok, you can say caveat emptor, and yes, the adult person who decides to plop down more than $3,000 (plus travel expenses and accommodation) for less than 3 hours of "healing work", should be expected to do their own research beforehand.

However, most alcoholics who would even consider this option are usually pretty desperate. And I think the lure of a cure is so great to them that they are easily attracted to the Lenairs' sales pitch. Think about the potentially devastating consequences of more or less promising a cure to the "cureless"-- if the cureless does not become cured. I feel it is morally inexcusable to promise desperate people a cure to anything. Worse yet, to demand their money before "performing" the service and then to make disclaimers so that if the cure isn't really a cure, the "patient" (more like "customer") has no rights. It's a no-risk business for them (the Lenairs) and a high-risk commitment for all of their customers.

As I said, I don't think Rhonda is a fake -- she tuned into a lot about me both physically and mentally that she could not possibly have known (she specifically asks that you give her no medical or emotional past history). I also learned a lot about myself from our sessions. It was a bit like 3 years of psychotherapy condensed into 3 hours.

However, I was not even close to being "cured" of my severe alcohol problem, and, in fact, the devastating disappointment, the utter loss of hope after this last-ditch effort for me, led to a suicide attempt.

Now, I know and believe that many many people have in fact been "cured" by Rhonda Lenair, however eerie the process may appear. And that's great. That's wonderful.

But I do think people should be aware of the risks and be warned of the consequences (which those who read these MWO boards are -- but think of all the desperate alcoholics out there that who are led to believe Lenair will be the cure, without the benefit of the experiences of all of us enlightened, self-starters here on MWO).

Another thing: it's nice that Greenie is arranging this "event", but of course it is GREAT publicity for the Lenairs. I know they try to get their (satisfied) customers to be missionaries for their business, and even have a program that offers free services in exchange for help in organizing for them. I'm not being cynical...it's actually rather brilliant-- and like most missionaries, the ones spreading the word do believe they are offering help and salvation. Still, I do think it's something people might want to know about the Lenair method.

[brittzak]

Rhonda Lenair and alcoholism - be introduced to her and her work

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What the Lenairs state is they have cured 60,000 people. BUT, how many have they seen????? That is the question I think none of us asked. So, we didn't know that they have seen far more than 60,000 so statistically they have cured maybe 50% of the pts...for example!!! We didn't ask because we were so desperate to be well and it looked so good, frankly I just wanted to be well. I have to look at this experience like rehab...there is no guarantee to that either and it cost a fortune. If it had cured me like it did Greenie or Bestfield...honey I'd be screaming from the mountain tops to any and everyone I knew to run to Vermont. It worked for them, so why wouldn't they promote their positive experience. It is no different than if you attended AA and were sober due to following that program. Would you not promote AA? I would...if AA were my lifeline to sobriety I owuld be trying to get every alcoholic friend I knew to a meeting with me. It is a BLOW a major blow when you put a lot of faith and want something so desperately like we did in going to Lenair and it not work. I was depressed too so I do understand that.

[okydoky]

Rhonda Lenair and alcoholism - be introduced to her and her work

Looks like a lot of different experiences here.
When I went, I had myself convinced that it would work.
It didn't.
Now I realize that it was part of the road that would lead me to AA where I have experienced a completely wonderful change in my life.

[scrubbly]

Rhonda Lenair and alcoholism - be introduced to her and her work

Hey, I never thought about the % success rates for in-patient alcohol rehab centers, and I know they take a lot longer commitment, and a LOT more $$$$.....just a thought.

[Cinders]

Rhonda Lenair and alcoholism - be introduced to her and her work

However, I was not even close to being "cured" of my severe alcohol problem, and, in fact, the devastating disappointment, the utter loss of hope after this last-ditch effort for me, led to a suicide attempt.

Which is why I posted about my failure with Lenair. Not because I think they are charlatans, or fakes, or anything like that. But because I so believed I would be cured, I went there with such high hopes. I left there and was sober a couple of weeks of pure white knuckling and relapsed.

My frame of mind after that was very shaky. Suicide was at the forefront of my brain. Why? Because I was, once again, a failure. I could not be cured despite everyone else's success. That was a horrible time in my life.

So, I simply want others to realize that if they choose to try Lenair, great, but do not, absolutely do not count on it 100%. If it doesn't work, I don't want anyone to go through the mental anguish I did and apparently Beatle did, too.

Cindi

[greeneyes]

Rhonda Lenair and alcoholism - be introduced to her and her work

Wow, thanks for all the input!

Just for the record:

I'm not being compensated for this in any way.

People have had questions about this since it first showed up here. This is an simply an opportunity to ask your questions and hear responses from Rhonda rather than those of us who attended, successfully or not. This isn't about deciding to go or not. It just seems a little early for that.

So... if one is interested, please e-mail me at LSS609@live.com and I'll add you to the list.

[Pete1]

Rhonda Lenair and alcoholism - be introduced to her and her work

brittzak;676619 wrote: What the Lenairs state is they have cured 60,000 people. BUT, how many have they seen????? That is the question I think none of us asked. So, we didn't know that they have seen far more than 60,000 so statistically they have cured maybe 50% of the pts...for example!!!.

60,000 at $3,000 each. That's 120 Million dollars! If the success rate is 50%, they have raked in 240 mil. Nice work if you can get it.