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    #16
    I think I am a Normie

    Hi LG,

    I think we have all thought the same thing about ourselves at one point or another along the way. The difference for me is that I did all my contemplation and trying to control my drinking way before I began posting here.

    I can remember taking the same tests that Kaslo mentioned and "cheating" as well, always putting more emphasis on the characteristics that pointed more toward me being the "normie" than the "alcoholic." Inevitably, I would convince myself that I had just developed a bad habit and vow once again to try to control my drinking while completely dismissing the HUGE red flag that normies don't search out tests to take to determine if they have a problem with alcohol. In retrospect, I can see so clearly now that I chose to see only what I wanted to see because I wasn?t yet ready or willing to commit to an AF life.

    However, by the time I landed here, I was no longer in denial and knew that no matter what I was by definition (problem drinker or alcoholic) or what I had (disease or allergy or just a bad habit), alcohol was ruining my life and turning me into someone I didn't want to be, and had been progressively doing so for over 30 years. I really didn't have any interest in moderating because I had tried and failed so many times and knew that holding on to the idea that I might one day be able to drink again was going to prevent me from achieving what I knew I had to do to survive the rest of my life. I just wanted to be done with AL once and for all.

    I have lots of people in my life that can take or leave alcohol and when they do drink, it?s generally only 1 or 2. I consider them normal drinkers. I don?t think binge drinking is normal, even if it?s only done on the weekends. I also don?t think that someone that regularly abuses AL is a normal drinker. I do know that when I was drinking, I would often alter the definition of ?normal? to make my own level of drinking seem not so bad in my mind. I think that?s why I get a red flag when I read you say that you think you are a normie that abused alcohol. I have plenty of memories from my past that I could pull out to try to convince myself that maybe I?m just a normie that abused AL, and I?ve done that many times over, only to find out that it?s a very slippery slope. A ?normie that abuses AL? seems like such a contradiction of terms to me, but I suppose it depends on our own definitions of ?normie? and ?abuse.?

    We all know that none of us would be here if alcohol had not been causing problems for us. Some are still trying to figure out the magnitude of the problem and if they can ever drink again, some know they can control their consumption and are doing it successfully, some know they can't and moderate to prevent further damage, and some of us know without a doubt that abstinence is our only way out. I think there?s a place for all of us here, so post away. Your posts don?t bother or annoy me. I see you as someone just trying to figure out where you fit and what?s true for you, and I?ve no doubt that you will.

    Sheri
    AF since 3/16/09
    NF since 3/20/07

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      #17
      I think I am a Normie

      I guess I just post these types of threads so I can figure out things for myself. I appreciate your kind words and advice, but it's nothing I don't already know. When I said I was a "normie" who abuses AL, I didn't mean that it's normal to abuse AL. I saw a study that said the difference between AL abusers and alcoholics is that AL abusers are sometimes able to go back to drinking moderately, whereas alcoholics cannot.

      There's nothing to debate on this topic anymore, but I hope it helped someone. If you are more aware that you need to stay sober, then good for you. I think the majority of us just want peace within ourselves and abstinence does help with that.

      Maybe we can make a sticky of these type posts so that the next person who wants to talk about it can be quickly sent to the corner to read what's already been said and spare the lot of you.


      "I like people too much or not at all."
      Sylvia Plath

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        #18
        I think I am a Normie

        mama bear;1343630 wrote: hey LG...maybe you could post all your thoughts in the Mods section??
        That way those that are struggling and sensitive right now may not notice.....
        just a thought sweetie
        Really Mama? I'm confused by your thought here. This must mean I would be better posting there too?
        Psalms 119:45


        ?Start by doing what is necessary, then what is possible, and suddenly you are doing the impossible.?

        St. Francis of Assisi



        I'm not perfect, never will be, but better than I was and not as good as I'm going to be.

        :rays:

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          #19
          I think I am a Normie

          Sober Visitor;1343656 wrote: Hi LG,



          We all know that none of us would be here if alcohol had not been causing problems for us. Some are still trying to figure out the magnitude of the problem and if they can ever drink again, some know they can control their consumption and are doing it successfully, some know they can't and moderate to prevent further damage, and some of us know without a doubt that abstinence is our only way out. I think there?s a place for all of us here, so post away. Your posts don?t bother or annoy me. I see you as someone just trying to figure out where you fit and what?s true for you, and I?ve no doubt that you will.

          Sheri
          Thank you.
          Psalms 119:45


          ?Start by doing what is necessary, then what is possible, and suddenly you are doing the impossible.?

          St. Francis of Assisi



          I'm not perfect, never will be, but better than I was and not as good as I'm going to be.

          :rays:

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            #20
            I think I am a Normie

            I tend to hash things out, & mull them over too. Been told that I have alkie thinkin, “analysis paralysis”. I just don't like to post about it usually, as I tend to not always want others opinions. I might not always like what they have to say. I still sometimes have problems with my ego.

            My poor hubs, drive him & myself nuts sometimes. But, make us laugh lots! I'm more then just an alkie.

            LG, I still don't think ya have the physical qualities of an alkie, but recognize the mental & emotional traits. Think your not done researching. Be careful, don't want ya to end up with a PHD. Meaning I believe ya can damage your brain to a point where ya loose the ability to control & choose.

            Quit posting on Topa board as much as I enjoyed & liked those peeps, they often talked about drinking. I found it triggering for myself. That was just one of my main reasons.

            I feel like I don't belong at this site as I'm an alkie. Been thinkin of leaving too!

            Namaste,

            Wildflowers :h

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              #21
              I think I am a Normie

              Dear LG,
              I am so happy to learn that you ARE a writer, as I was going to ask you to please be sure to write about your experiences, as you have such a marvelous way with words, imo! Quite often, you concisely encapsulate and present some of the thoughts which I have had, and I think others have had, also...which is one of the reasons that your threads take on a life of their own.
              Some things about this life, imo, are part of a continuum, and how human beings respond to mind-altering substances or cholesterol-laden foods or natural disasters all fall into that category. So, we muddle through and do the best we can...some people forget to eat dessert, (me), and others forget to buy the wine for the dinner-party gift! (My husband). HE never forgets dessert, and since I am at MWO, we all know what I don't forget...
              So, LG, I enjoy your threads, and personally hope they keep on coming. FF
              . "It is only with the heart that one can see clearly; that which is essential, is invisible to the eye.". Antoine de Saint-Exupery

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                #22
                I think I am a Normie

                LG

                I don't think you will know the answer to all this until 3, 6 , or possibly even 9 months down the line, when you find out what happens to you as a result of your decision to moderate.

                When I first went AF I managed 108 days, decided that I couldn't possibly have a problem and so decided to moderate. It didn't take me even 3 months to realise that I couldnt as I was back where I started at my old drinking levels and drinking daily, within 2 weeks.

                Later that year I pulled myself together and embarked on over 8 months AF, then I started drinking again , once again I couldn't moderate, I was back where I started once again, drinking every day and at possibly even higher levels than before within 2 weeks but, even more worrying than this, this was the really scary thing; this time it was so much harder to find the mental energy to quit again. Although I knew for certain this time I wasn't a normal drinker and I couldn't moderate it took me almost 3 years to find the strength to start again. This terrifies me. What will happen next time - do I have another quit in me? In case I don't, I'd better stay sober.

                I really hope all works out for you.

                Sausage x

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                  #23
                  I think I am a Normie

                  LG - just my opinion here - post as much as you want about whatever you want as often as you want.

                  If it keeps you sober; that is all that matters.

                  I sent you a PM last night - not sure if you got it or not. Hope you're having a lovely weekend so far.

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                    #24
                    I think I am a Normie

                    nope RC.....didn't mean that at all
                    I was responding to LG...that's it
                    I think we should be able to post where ever we like....
                    LG was sounding (IMO) like she felt she was bothering us by posting and commenting of being a "Normie" or not
                    that's all....
                    I wasn't challenging anyone RC.....that's not how I roll
                    I love my family more than alcohol.:h
                    Live in the Solution....not the problem

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                      #25
                      I think I am a Normie

                      I did drink last night. I drank six beers, although my intial intention was to drink only 4. I could have gone out and bought more, but I didn't want anymore. I also have no compulsion to drink today or tonight, or tomorrow night. I never want to get into the habit of daily drinking again, and that is my goal.

                      To be honest, I didn't enjoy drinking all that much, and I can still "smell" the beer, lol. It isn't a pleasant recall. I don't really like beer, and that's why I chose it. It kind of makes me sick even talking about it now.

                      I realize we all have our journeys and they are varied. Mine is not necessarily going to take the same path as yours, and I have the nature of a person who must experience things for themselves to believe it.

                      Well, I will continue on my path, questioning "truths" and maybe suffering the consequences, but I will have no one to blame but myself. I credit MWO for showing me the strength and willpower I had within. That is no small thing to be sure.

                      LG


                      "I like people too much or not at all."
                      Sylvia Plath

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                        #26
                        I think I am a Normie

                        I am glad you stopped at six sweetie
                        I would not have been able to
                        and I am glad you feel safe here and can be honest with us
                        that's why this is a special place
                        I am also glad you are having no cravings...that's the hard part for me
                        have a peaceful evening
                        I love my family more than alcohol.:h
                        Live in the Solution....not the problem

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                          #27
                          I think I am a Normie

                          mama bear;1343779 wrote: nope RC.....didn't mean that at all
                          I was responding to LG...that's it
                          I think we should be able to post where ever we like....
                          LG was sounding (IMO) like she felt she was bothering us by posting and commenting of being a "Normie" or not
                          that's all....
                          I wasn't challenging anyone RC.....that's not how I roll
                          Sorry I misread that Mama....was having a bs moment with a yardsaler's kid. He started bonking my Mia with a toy...then he took another toy of hers(santa hat)and kept trying to put it over her nose and head....then he gave her a blow up pool and she punctured it! G double G RRRRR. Then the mom takes no responsibility..making excuses and asks me if I want her to make the purchase or not!!?? I added 5 bucks to the price and she huffed off. I called after her, if that's how you handle the situation your son is going to cost you alot more in the future! She sped out of my little road, never to be seen again, I'm sure...

                          So, sorry to highjack the thread. I was having a bad moment questioning my handling of my current situation and your comment made me question my place here too. :upset: Enjoy the steaks and your pic on fb is really nice.:l
                          Psalms 119:45


                          ?Start by doing what is necessary, then what is possible, and suddenly you are doing the impossible.?

                          St. Francis of Assisi



                          I'm not perfect, never will be, but better than I was and not as good as I'm going to be.

                          :rays:

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                            #28
                            I think I am a Normie

                            all is well sweetie
                            thanks about the picture and sorry you had to deal with a brat....wish you could have bonked him the head yourself
                            did you make any money today....hope so!
                            I love my family more than alcohol.:h
                            Live in the Solution....not the problem

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                              #29
                              I think I am a Normie

                              Sheri, I just want to say I thought that was a really wonderful post! Empathetic, thoughtful, respectful of where LG is at and how we all struggle at different places on this journey. And you said what I wanted to - more eloquently than I'd worked out how to - about thinking this should be a place where people can feel free to post without judgement wherever they're at in that process. (Although I do get how posts like this might trigger some. To be honest, LG, it got me playing the 'maybe I can drink too' tape in my head, which isn't helpful right now, but I still don't think you should feel you have to censor yourself here regardless.) Also, I totally get the over-analysis tendency. Me too. Writers curse, huh?

                              Wildflowers, your post about differences in how alcoholics process alcohol and acetate intrigued me. I've read a lot on the topic and didn't know quite what you meant. I will have to research more. Do you have any info you could point me to in books or online?

                              Thanks all for the great dialogue. It's helped me think about some stuff for sure LG.

                              Lilly

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                                #30
                                I think I am a Normie

                                Thanks for saying that Lily! I was beginning to feel like maybe I shouldn't have posted. I know when I was struggling, I really appreciated hearing other people's perspectives and snippets from their experiences, even if they were different from my own, because it helped me to figure out where I fit and what I needed to do to get there. I sometimes need the obvious to be stated again and again and again because it helps me with the internal battle which I think we all experience on this journey no matter what category of drinker we are.

                                I'm a shy person, so it takes a lot of energy for me to share on a public forum. I worry that someone might take something I write the wrong way or be offended or respond with the ole "thanks but you're not telling me anything I don't already know" response. Just makes me feel like my post was a huge waste of time and energy and shuts me down.

                                Sheri
                                AF since 3/16/09
                                NF since 3/20/07

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