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    The Sugar Free Challenge - Who is in??

    Hi all!
    Allan, for me binge eating is also emotional-- I don't know what the answer is, except to go about quitting in the same fashion as with quitting alcohol-- cutting it out cold turkey and finding other ways to deal with the emotions that lead to the binge. And I guess making ourselves as knowledgeable on the subject as possible, as NS has done. Will repost an article from a while back-- Is sugar toxic? http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/17/ma...nted=all&_r=1&
    Knowing that the consumption of sugar/fructose can lead to a fatty liver is scary! But somehow when the "urge/craving" is there, it's very much like that of an alcohol urge/craving. I'm at a little bit of a loss as to what to do at this point. I am just back on day 16 after months of relapsing, which has caused my entire being, psychologically, emotionally, physically to be run down. Like you said, Kensho, the last time I had a successful quit (beginning last Sept) it WAS easier and I felt worlds better when I gave up the sugar. But right now, I'm a bit afraid to completely give it up, as I've been "using" it to curb cravings for alcohol-- which is surely counter productive-- but I don't know how else to get through it if I've tried all my other tools..

    Will read more of the Link you posted, NS-- I haven't yet read the Nutrition and Alcoholism. Did you join there, NS? Or have you read the book? edit: I really like this site-- loads of great information! Thx.

    Anyway, I would like to get back on the sugar free boat!! I would like again, to have a consecutive amount of days without to see if the cravings become less-- and I would like to find other ways to deal with the discomfort/boredom/stress/anxiety that I feel. I don't want to continue to deal by consuming. In the long run, whether it's alcohol or sugar, the effects are negative. They only seem to be short term solutions.

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      The Sugar Free Challenge - Who is in??

      Here's the part on Nutrition--

      Nutrition and Alcoholism

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        The Sugar Free Challenge - Who is in??

        The only thing I don't like about the site, NS, is that one has to buy into it to get the more detailed info. Do you know of some good sites with info. regarding supplements?
        Allan and Skull-- have you taken supplements to support your nutritional plans?
        I am at a completely different stage of recovery, but I found it interesting to read that it can take a couple of years to restore the body/brains ability to produce the neurotransmitters that are necessary for feeling "normal"-- and until that point has been reached, supplements can temporarily help to reduce the "triggers" associated with addiction..
        Here is one article I found ..A Holistic Approach to Health in Early Recovery: Diet and Nutrition?|?Maura Henninger, N.D.
        I haven't been much into supplementing, mostly because lab produced vitamins, aminos, etc. sort of freak me out. Though I'm a walking contradiction with all the other crap (junkfood, sweets) I have fed myself!! I think I'll look more closely though and try it out.
        What has your experience been with coffee? I love my morning cup, but have to admit that on the days I have an herbal/even green tea instead, I feel better and less anxious.. hmmmm...

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          The Sugar Free Challenge - Who is in??

          Hi, LC

          I've not read it but Kuya was impressed by the information in this book:
          Seven Weeks to Sobriety: The Proven Program to Fight Alcoholism through Nutrition: Joan Mathews Larson: 9780449002599: Amazon.com: Books.

          It sounds like for the most part you eat "real foods" so maybe all you need to do is try to use e.g. Fruits as your sugar source to fight cravings, as dessert, etc.

          You're doing great with the AF part !

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            The Sugar Free Challenge - Who is in??

            Thanks for the reminder, NS! I actually have that book somewhere..
            Do you know if Kuya followed the plan? I will have to PM her.
            Today I am NOT eating sugar and it has been a royal pain in the ass!! I told myself I could any and all real, whole food-- but no sugar, simple, bready carbs-- and I've been going at it, damn, I'm eating everything but and every couple of hours to keep my blood sugar even and my head clear. I remember the sugar cravings easing within a couple of days the last time I tried this.. we will see.

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              That was sooooooo hard-- but done now. Looking forward to tomorrow...

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                The Sugar Free Challenge - Who is in??

                lifechange;1699229 wrote: The only thing I don't like about the site, NS, is that one has to buy into it to get the more detailed info. Do you know of some good sites with info. regarding supplements?
                Allan and Skull-- have you taken supplements to support your nutritional plans?
                I am at a completely different stage of recovery, but I found it interesting to read that it can take a couple of years to restore the body/brains ability to produce the neurotransmitters that are necessary for feeling "normal"-- and until that point has been reached, supplements can temporarily help to reduce the "triggers" associated with addiction..
                Here is one article I found ..A Holistic Approach to Health in Early Recovery: Diet and Nutrition*|*Maura Henninger, N.D.
                I haven't been much into supplementing, mostly because lab produced vitamins, aminos, etc. sort of freak me out. Though I'm a walking contradiction with all the other crap (junkfood, sweets) I have fed myself!! I think I'll look more closely though and try it out.
                What has your experience been with coffee? I love my morning cup, but have to admit that on the days I have an herbal/even green tea instead, I feel better and less anxious.. hmmmm...
                Only vitamins!!!
                AF since 1st Sep 2012
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                  lifechange;1699229 wrote: The only thing I don't like about the site, NS, is that one has to buy into it to get the more detailed info. Do you know of some good sites with info. regarding supplements?
                  Allan and Skull-- have you taken supplements to support your nutritional plans?
                  I am at a completely different stage of recovery, but I found it interesting to read that it can take a couple of years to restore the body/brains ability to produce the neurotransmitters that are necessary for feeling "normal"-- and until that point has been reached, supplements can temporarily help to reduce the "triggers" associated with addiction..
                  Here is one article I found ..A Holistic Approach to Health in Early Recovery: Diet and Nutrition*|*Maura Henninger, N.D.
                  I haven't been much into supplementing, mostly because lab produced vitamins, aminos, etc. sort of freak me out. Though I'm a walking contradiction with all the other crap (junkfood, sweets) I have fed myself!! I think I'll look more closely though and try it out.
                  What has your experience been with coffee? I love my morning cup, but have to admit that on the days I have an herbal/even green tea instead, I feel better and less anxious.. hmmmm...
                  I, for one, allow myself (and enjoy) 2 to 3 cups of black coffee per day. I supplement with a bunch of stuff- Vit C, D, B, cal/mag/zinc, creatine for weightlifting, and lately been trying L-Glutamine to help with sugar cravings- I've gotten mixed results here, but honestly my resolve has been wavering. Some days, the L-Glut seems to really disarm cravings, others the cravings overwhelm me with almost no resistance. But again, that's partially my resolve being flaky lately.

                  Travel, both work and pleasure, really interrupts my resolve. I've got two more getaways planned in September and then I'm homebound and home free and can really focus on an extended period of health again. I'm planning on Oct. 1 going sugar free and healthy diet (limited carbs etc) and shooting for 30 days (hopefully more like 90) but 30 for sure.

                  Anyway, I find supplementation to be helpful but could be placebo effect, who knows...

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                    The Sugar Free Challenge - Who is in??

                    I've started taking a multi vitamin for the first time since December and I swear it has already helped with tiredness. Will also try the Lglut again, Skull-- I do remember that helping before. I made an appt. with a doctor on Monday-- she's a bit alternative and I will talk to her about the alcohol addiction and what she would recommend supplement wise. I was thinking to ask her if I could get one of the super vitamin B shots I've heard about. Today is day 2 and I will do the same as yesterday. I do have some ice cream bars in the fridge in case I get some super crazy al craving and will eat the whole box as a LAST option. I wanted to eat them yesterday.. but I realised that actually sugar is easier for me than alcohol. As long as I'm sober, I do have the mind power not to eat sugar no matter how strong the urge. I did eat every thing else in the house yesterday!
                    NS posted this in the Nest yesterday and I thought it pertains to sugar cravings as well as al. cravings..
                    """A craving is very, very uncomfortable but keep in mind, it won't kill you or even make you faint or have a seizure or anything like that. It isn't as painful as labor or passing a kidney stone. If you didn't have such an easy way to take the feeling away and could look at it objectively, what pain rating would you give it with 10 being something like pushing out that baby or passing that stone? I bet it rarely would even get a 5. It is a really bad feeling but you can get through it - with no bad after effects!

                    Real physical and psychic pains are waking up at 3 a.m. and realizing what you've done again. Now that really hurts and it will be with you in one way or another all day, until that craving comes back tomorrow evening and either you give in again or do what you could have done today, and chosen not to drink. Why wait?

                    It will be great to hear how anyone who is struggling now but doesn't succumb feels about things in the morning """

                    I am so looking forward to you guys joining me!!

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                      The Sugar Free Challenge - Who is in??

                      Hey Lifechange... I forgot to follow this thread, I want to work on this too. I dont binge on sugar like I did with wine, but as I never ate sweets before it seems a bit nutty.
                      I can forego it with fruit... Bananas, berrys, apples & then one sweet at night.
                      Hardly a bit deal when you look at the big picture.
                      Gosh berries are expensive here. A small 150 g box was almost 3 euros. I ate the entire box in about 10 minutes
                      Tasted great.
                      (AF since 17 May 2014) 2 years 5 months sober

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                        The Sugar Free Challenge - Who is in??

                        Oh, and I take that All in One powdered vitamin they promote here. I find it disgusting, but does increase energy level if taken consistently.
                        (AF since 17 May 2014) 2 years 5 months sober

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                          That is expensive, Eloise!! We've been having local blueberries on sale and they are to die for! I also buy organic frozen mixed berries for shakes and they aren't so expensive. Super that you are posting here? Have you read back on this thread? I am going to do it again today, 'cause I remember there were lots of interesting articles and videos.

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                            The Sugar Free Challenge - Who is in??

                            Very interesting.. reposting from page 1 of this thread..

                            20 Tips to Curb Sugar Cravings and Kick the Addiction?|?Dr. Frank Lipman

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                              The Sugar Free Challenge - Who is in??

                              So today is my day 3 sugar free and it already feels easier than it did on the first morning! I started reading from the first page and around page 30 is when I signed on here for the first time, almost 1 year ago. It was also the beginning of my longest AF period-- I will admit it makes me sad that I couldn't find it within myself to stick with both quits. Tomorrow would have been one year.. Oh well.. I guess now I feel mostly good knowing that this is a lifetime journey. I don't feel like I'm aiming for a particular goal or a time in the future--it's really the day to day process. Accepting that this is my life!! Having said that, I'm definitely one for celebrating the milestones... and...

                              ALLAN! tomorrow will be 2 years for you AF and NF-- that is such a wonderful accomplishment and I will be thinking of you and celebrating with a delicious SF something!!

                              Around page 30 is also where you and Skull and Londoner began posting a lot-- great articles linked by you all and NS, which are scattered, so I'll post them here again. It's been good to re-read..

                              I've been pretty low carb this time and wanted pancakes this morning. So I tried to do a mix with egg, almond milk, coconut flour and flaxseed flour-- turned into a gloppy mess so I added a bit of water, another egg and a bit of baking powder and popped it in the oven-- I'm hoping it will cook through, then I'll have it with some applesauce I made (sf) and a dollop of fresh ricotta-- we'll see.
                              I've been having a great time getting caught up here again.. and look forward to having some more company!!

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                                The Sugar Free Challenge - Who is in??

                                Here are a few links originally posted earlier in this thread by others..
                                good for weekend reading and extra sf motivation!

                                The Sugar and Alzheimer's Connection | Mother Jones

                                Is sugar the next tobacco? - Salon.com -- attached is Lustig's video, "The Bitter Truth"

                                A Timeline of Sugar Spin | Mother Jones

                                Big Sugar's Sweet Little Lies | Mother Jones

                                Why Sugar Should Be Reclassified As a Drug?|?Dain Wallis

                                Brain Imaging Shows Food Addiction Is Real

                                My "bready" thing worked all right-- turned out sort of like a souffle! Was very yummy with the applesauce and yoghurt..

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