what finally made your quit stick?

[aihfl]

Alky thanks for your usual/predictable agro response
as per usual its fine tuned
I think it was you who said you're past partner took you to ICU and you were so drunk and such a dick that the nurse was ..disgusted so much she said you're husbands a asshole . correct me if i'm wrong
You little turd!!!!!! if you want to bring up past history ..bring it on.
Now lets see you have gone through two wives one relationship and were jobless for most of your pathetic life.
you have been sober 30 daze and are all of a sudden happy and ready to slam people.
You have been sober for little over 30 days ..and you're still an asshole ..You got a lot of work ahead of you ..the new site is great it has a asshole detector/ moderator you're on his list..thank christ we don't have to suffer gormless gimps like you .
Alky
you need serious help
I wish you well

Uhhh, no, I've had one wife and one relationship both ruined by alcoholism/prescription drug abuse, and I've never stopped being gainfully employed, so consider yourself corrected. I also have a PhD degree. Please, pray tell, your academic accomplishments, because you write like a second grader. I've been fully honest with myself and others about my bad behavior in the throes of active addiction. At least I am owning up to my bad behavior during the throes of my active addiction and trying to move on, which is more than I can say about you.

And I might have only 30+ days this time around, but it's a shitload better than your zero days. I'm the one with the asshole detector, so rest assured for that reason I'd sooner have rectal cancer than join the likes of you and Otter there.

I really hope your inane ranting is due to drunkenness because baclofen can't cure stupid (not that it really "cures" alcoholism, either).

[aihfl]

i'm sober dear dickhead..... i came here to suggest pauly may want to have a look at the new web site . Instead
I encounter you mum and daddys failed boy...they put you through school you got a phd and pissed up against the wall ..being the pathetic asshole you are .you think you are ever so clever.. its every one elses fault.im currently assistant director of a major institution..
and no i dont need to compete with you ..you obnoxious prick ..go fuck ya self ..you have a very odorous quality about you ..and im not the only one that thinks that ..lots of us here wish you would fuck off and dissapear you bring ZERO to this forum
Yours in extinction
Reginald

Uhhh, wrong again, I put myself through school as a graduate teaching assistant. Being president of your second grade class doesn't count as a "major institution." It's everyone else's fault huh? I guess I got the step about "being honest with yourself and another human being about the exact nature of your wrongs" incorrect then.

I might bring zero to this forum to you, but I'm not going anywhere because there are plenty of others worth sticking around for. So why don't you disappear until you sober up. Just a thought. Go sleep it off and tomorrow is another day.

[aihfl]

Im sober you're a projecting drunk
that's why you need to conceive me as not sober
you need to deal with that feeling Alky you got a long road ahead of you
either way you will always be a asshole
you have that quality imbedded in your soul
I cant believe I have wasted 32 minutes of my life talking to a drunk prick like you .
AHH such is life

Yep, I agree, except you're the drunk prick. Hitting the ignore button in 3-2-1...

[red67]

Hi Pauly, you can do this, and yes you might need support outside of this site also. It took me a VERY long time to finally quit. I have said before, I used AA, Smart Recovery, Therapy, Group Therapy, Self Help books, Watching shows about recovery and MWO. MWO is what finally made my quit stick, but all the other things I did on the road here helped also.

I believe in you and I know you are a great person, you have to want to quit more than you want to drink. For me, it was like I finally found the switch and from then on I knew quitting was doable and I could make it stick.

Daily reading here and constantly reminding myself that I don't drink and why i don't (I wrote down every thought i could about that and read it whenever I felt weak) is what kept me going in the beginning of my quit. You know it gets easier the longer you don't drink, and the times you feel weak, you have to pull together everything you have to make it though. My weak times were literally only minutes until I calmed myself down and got thru it. I know you suffer from anxiety and maybe it seems helpless when you get the drinking thoughts, I can't speak to how you feel, only what helped me. I also did lots of supplements in the first few months, HTP, Magnesium, Multi Vitamins, L Glutamine, lots of Amino's. From the 10 years plus of heavy drinking, I was lacking in everything.

Is there anything you think may help that you have not tried already? I used to search daily for anything I thought could help. I just could not give up and I know you feel that way too.

Lots of hugs to you.:heartbeat:

[red67]

And Hi Alky, you are a very valued member here and I just want to say you know we do appreciate you being here!!!

[Byrdlady]

Im sober you're a projecting drunk
that's why you need to conceive me as not sober
you need to deal with that feeling Alky you got a long road ahead of you
either way you will always be a asshole
you have that quality imbedded in your soul
I cant believe I have wasted 32 minutes of my life talking to a drunk prick like you .
AHH such is life

If you are drunk then the explanation for your disdain for people who are achieving what seems to elude you can only be explained by jealousy or ignorance.
From what I've read on the other site, Endofmyaddiction.com doesnt seem to be the end of anybody's addiction, in fact, some members are using the drug counter to how it was intended. Even the founder isnt sober more than a few days, if that.
I must agree with aihfl, go over to the more wonderful site and leave us alone, we are doing just fine without your disruptive critiques. I suppse it depends, however, on what your goals are. If you want to get sober the old fashioned way (quit drinking) then MWO is a great place to be. If you want to spend years criticising others for doing what you cant, then we wish you'd move on. You arent helping anyone, including yourself. You cant imagine what our opinion of you is. I feel sorry for you, because Ive been there. If you ever get to a place where you want help, by people who are walking the walk, come back and we can help. If youd rather live in denial and try and use a drug to help you not use another drug, the other place may be a better fit. We are all trying to get from Point A to Point B, the path we take to get there is the difference. You've been around a long time, too, Reggie, and it doesnt appear you are 'getting it'. Instead of berating others to make yourself feel better, why not get an addiction conselor and check yourself in. If your misery is presented in real life like it is on this forum, I feel very sorry for your family. Get some help and put an end to these embarrassing tirades. Get sober, no matter what it takes. Thats what we've done, and in spite of what you say, we are doing quite well. Get some help, you will be so glad you did.

[lex]

If you want to get sober the old fashioned way (quit drinking) then MWO is a great place to be.

I'm staying put!!

[aihfl]

Byrdie, THANK YOU for that post. I should know better than to engage a person that isn't in their right mind, so shame on me for that. The medications forum is full of people who operate under the delusion that medication will cure them of their alcoholism. As it states in Chapter 3 of the Big Book (More About Alcoholism), "Physicians who are familiar with alcoholism agree there is no such thing as making a normal drinker out of an alcoholic. Science may one day accomplish this but it hasn't done so yet."

But don't get me wrong, I believe in medications. My psychiatrist has me on baclofen, this so-called wonder drug that some fruitlessly continue to chase as a cure for alcoholism. Does it help? Absolutely. But it doesn't stop life from throwing things at me that I would have drank over in the past. Baclofen does not stop life from sucking sometimes. Even Dr. Olivier Ameisen, the physician who first brought widespread attention to baclofen as a treatment for addiction, and is revered as a demigod on the meds forum, stated in his own self-case report, "when deep relaxation occurred after an additional baclofen dose, it was much easier for me to use CBT and AA techniques to resist drinking." But there are many people over there that continue to drink and drink and take what I consider insane amounts (200mg+) of baclofen and think that someday they will reach a point where they are cured of their alcoholism. As a point of reference, the most I ever took was 120mg and my psych doctor brought me back down to 80 (the max that's typically prescribed) and added Neurontin (gabapentin). I might add that one of the warning labels on my bottle of baclofen reads, "May cause drowsiness, alcohol may make this worse. Use care when operating a vehicle, vessel or dangerous machinery." I speak from experience on this. When I was drinking heavily and taking baclofen is when I started waking up in the morning with damaged glasses and bruises with no recollection of how it happened. Drinking and taking large quantities of baclofen is DANGEROUS. End of story.

Of course, I can't say anything of the sort over there, nor can anyone even suggest that there are other medications that have been at least, if not more, effective than baclofen before the mob assembles, complete with virtual pickaxes.

People have got to understand that sobriety is difficult. It sucks sometimes. But there is no easy way out. There is no substitute for working some kind of program or plan. None. Zero. Zip. Nada. This is going to piss some people off, but I'm going to say it anyway. People who hate support groups are people who aren't fully committed to stop drinking, because if there's one thing an addict hates more than anything else, it's taking direction.

I'll just close with this little nugget from the AA preamble, "There are those who suffer from grave mental and emotional disorders, but they too can recover if they have the capacity to be honest with themselves." I'm exhibit A. I have a list of psych disorders a mile long (some of them I don't necessarily agree with), and I take my medications religiously as prescribed, but I've also built a support group in and out of twelve step meetings, without which the medications are meaningless.

[red67]

Can I ask a silly question? Why does Reggie post all kinds of nasty stuff, them take it all down after? If you guys would not have quoted him, others reading this today would think you are all crazy

I have seen him do this over the years many, many times. It just seems like a complete waste of time or he just realizes how bad his posts are after his fits and rants.

[aihfl]

Can I ask a silly question? Why does Reggie post all kinds of nasty stuff, them take it all down after? If you guys would not have quoted him, others reading this today would think you are all crazy

I have seen him do this over the years many, many times. It just seems like a complete waste of time or he just realizes how bad his posts are after his fits and rants.

He probably sobers up and realizes what an ass he made of himself. That's why I learned to always quote him in my responses. I've had family and friends record and replay drunken tirades for me when I'm sober. It was always mortifying.

[paulywogg]

This thread kinda went haywire for a minute, Reggie did make a point that I've wondered about myself, if taking a break from here would help me not be so focused on not drinking all the time, Rational Recovery basically tells you that once you've made up your mind to NOT drink,being in a "program" is counterproductive, just something that I've pondered

[daisy45]

Not sure about that Pauly.....before coming to MWO, most people here had made the decision to not drink. They weren't in the program when they made that decision but knew they needed support.
I know for me that while I can get AF time alone, the best that I am and have been has come through the support and knowledge I find here.
It is tough and disappointing when relapse hapoens, then you feel bad about yourself, but it was just as tough and worse to be in the grips of alcohol and alone.
Maybe you need a wee break from here just to test it for yourself......I have many times and always come back. Like you, I just want it to get into my head once and for all that I will not drink.....

[Guitarista]

This thread kinda went haywire for a minute, Reggie did make a point that I've wondered about myself, if taking a break from here would help me not be so focused on not drinking all the time, Rational Recovery basically tells you that once you've made up your mind to NOT drink,being in a "program" is counterproductive, just something that I've pondered

We have to keep searching if our plan isn't working. One way forward might be to go for something new or different. If this means giving a new forum a go, finding a real life support group, boxing every night after work, buddha, or trying it alone then go for it. Trial and error is how we learn what fits and what doesn't.

Good onya Pauly!

[NoSugar]

This thread kinda went haywire for a minute, Reggie did make a point that I've wondered about myself, if taking a break from here would help me not be so focused on not drinking all the time, Rational Recovery basically tells you that once you've made up your mind to NOT drink,being in a "program" is counterproductive, just something that I've pondered

Pauly, I think that there are people who have firmly committed themselves to not drinking and are doing fine out there on their own, like TurnAgain. I sure wouldn't do it, though, until you know for sure that you're truly done. But you can make that decision while you're still here and in fact, I think you need to if your goal is to be completely abstinent. You'll naturally stop focusing on not drinking all the time when you no longer drink. I feel like I am "done for good" but I enjoy my friends here, I think there's benefit in participating and not becoming complacent, and if I can, I would love to help others change their lives for the better, too.

Rational Recovery has helped many people, especially with the "Addicted Voice" metaphor. The thing that concerns me about the RR idea that you don't need a group is that Jack Trimbey seems to be motivated by an almost blind hatred of AA (Rational Recovery | Have you been forced into AA?, The Twelve Steps of AA: Code of the Beast at Rational Recovery News & Information Blog) and I think that informs much of what he says about recovery groups. In that respect, he doesn't seem all that rational to me and I don't trust his advice.

There are plenty of data available showing that participation in a peer support group is one of the main predictors of successfully quitting and maintaining sobriety. I'm not sure I would do it at this point if I had to physically go to meetings at specific times but the internet makes it so easy! You have many forums to choose from and they're available 24/7. I hope you stay here but all the best to you, whatever you decide to do. :hug:

[aihfl]

Pauly, I have no beef with rational recovery, despite its founder's hatred of AA. But when you look at it, it's still a plan of action. I just looked at their website for a quick refresher, and I agree with what it says that constantly thinking of yourself as "in recovery" is not entirely healthy. I just want to be a normal person for the most part that just happens not to drink and no longer abuses my prescription drugs. That's why it's important for me to have a support network outside of AA, because it's important to be around people not as fucked up as me. And there are people whose lives revolve around AA and I don't want to be one of those people. But at the same time, it is my friends within AA that are doing the most to keep me sober because when you are really hurting and in a situation where a drink seems like a good idea, no one else can relate to you as well as another alcoholic. If you have a support network already, you're already ahead. Me, I had none. At the time, my ex-wife was not speaking to me, my ex-girlfriend didn't want to speak with me and I was basically friendless. There's a pretty good chance I would be dead without the support provided by AA. Sure there's creepy people and assholes in AA, but isn't that the case with life in general? I won't say that "just stopping drinking" is impossible; my dad did it. But it sure is unlikely. To add to Kuya's very insightful comment, working a program or plan requires a commitment to sobriety. In hindsight, that's why I never stopped when my plan was to "just stop drinking." I can see now what I really meant was "maybe I'll just stop drinking."