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    Down the Rabbit Hole - What is Moderating?

    I'm not drinking today. I'm not drinking tomorrow. ODAT. That is as far into the future as I'm willing to project.

    If I had less than 30 alcohol free days, and was unconsciously looking for justification to have a drink, this is the kind of thread that would grab my attention.

    I'm beginning to think that the reason Roberta Jewell no longer drinks is not because she fell into a drunken abyss, but because it was too much of a pain in the ass to moderate.

    Not drinking these past 40 days has been easy for me. HONEST. There has been an open bottle of my favorite white in the fridge and an open bottle of my daily red on the counter. Occasionally, my husband has a glass or two while we watch tv. There is nothing for me to think about, no conversation, angst, thoughts, or arguments with myself. There's nothing to discuss, decide or plan. I'm not drinking today, game over.

    I realize that I didn't come here to STOP drinking. I came to stop the pain. The people on the board that I have come to trust have learned that the only way to stop the pain is to stop drinking completely. I am not convinced yet, but evidence is strongly pointing in that direction.

    I know that I have had many very enjoyable days that I drank and did not over-indulge that just don't compare to the days I sat alone clutching bottle after bottle of wine. The former I did out of enjoyment - the latter out of desperate compulsion. I don't want scenario #2 - that is what brought me to this site. Scenario #1 still calls to me.

    Since hitting day 30, I've put myself in situations where I COULD drink. Each time, I thought about it, and didn't really want to. It wasn't a special occasion or an event. I wasn't on vacation. It was just an ordinary Tuesday or whatever and what was one drink going to do for me, other than cost $10?

    For me, moderation would be enjoyable drinking. Like when we're on vacation. We may or may not have a drink during the day at a little cafe, or over lunch and/or before dinner. We'll split a bottle of wine - sometimes two - over a dinner that lasts several hours. We may have a nightcap back at the hotel. The next day we do it again. Then we come home, and then . . .the vacation ends. Is that where I kept on drinking, because it was enjoyable, and then it became a habit and then it became a crutch and then it became important and necessary? Does it have to be that way?

    This is just a journal of my thoughts. If I ever drink again, it will be a considered choice. There is a tipping point where it is no longer a choice, and that is the difficulty of moderation. I don't know that I have that control and that is also part of why I have not had a drink. That is where living in the moment ends and I start thinking about how long has it been since I had the last drink and can I have another. I'm already projecting into the future.

    I've met some people on this board in very desperate situations. That has never been me and never will be. I never carried around liquor, drank in the daytime (unless on vacation or at brunch!) or got behind the wheel intoxicated. I sat in my chair and drank until I passed out, hurting myself physically and emotionally, and hurting my husband as well. Whatever I was trying to drink away must still be lurking in here somewhere, along with depression, and I am seeking professional help for that (damn doctors - wait two months to an appointment!!!!).

    I'm rambling. I have played out the "Thanksgiving" scenario in my head (thanks Byrdie) and it is a very fine line, isn't it?

    A group of old dear friends are getting together on the West Coast for the holiday. It is a big celebration - we all haven't been together in years. I may have a drink. Just this moment I realized that I will NOT descend into a drunken, downward cycle. Been there, done that. I'm not going back there!

    I am grateful that I am sober today. I am so grateful for my relationships on this site and the enormous growing experience that it is for me.

    I need to go clean for houseguests and start packing! Have a great AF day everyone!
    10/14/13: I am truly grateful for another day in this amazing life. I'm sober and mindful of every moment.

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    Dear Strong,
    I don't think you are rambling at all. I think you are sorting out complicated thoughts and emotions. Good for you for thinking through what it is you want.

    Have a great week!
    Free at Last
    "What you seek is seeking you." -- Rumi

    Highly recommend this video
    http://www.ted.com/talks/brene_brown_on_vulnerability.html

    July 19, 2013 -- the beginning of being Free at Last

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      I fill my rhino cup

      To relieve a sad sigh.
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      old school runescape gold and fifa coins trader

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        I'm strong your post really speaks to me. I too was never rock bottom. I am over 5 months AF and still have those thoughts of moderation. Deep down though I know the slope is far too slippery. I know in no time it will be every day and I will be back to the nightly battling with myself. I choose the peaceful road.

        I respect your right to decide for yourself and the fact that we're not the same. Still, it scares me. Please stay in touch.
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          TSM allowed me to moderate, but end of the day I couldn't be bothered and I also wasn't willing to risk the effect of TSM reversing, so I quit.

          Whenever I'm tempted I remember what I was like 3-4-5 years ago, all the trouble and heart ache, everything I've had to do to put it right and it still will never be right.

          No I don't want that again and best chance I have is not to drink.

          4 months and 2 days AF.
          I used the Sinclair Method to beat my alcoholic drinking.

          Drank within safe limits for almost 2 years

          AF date 22/07/13

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            I drank moderately for about three years, never going back to where I was before posted here. But there were too many times i drank more than i intended. I got tired of the game. Now I have no desire to drink ever again. Vacations and holidays are more enjoyable because I don't spend any time worrying if I have or will drink too much.
            My life is better without alcohol, since 9/1/12. My sobriety tool is the list at permalink 236 on the toolbox thread under monthly abstinance.

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              Down the Rabbit Hole - What is Moderating?

              I'mStrong,
              If you haven't seen it already, I'd like to refer you to Patrice's thread from earlier today, "An Update". It's about her experience with moderating. I know you've heard me say this 1000 times, but I never drank harder than the year I tried to moderate. If I managed to get a few AF days in, when I allowed myself to drink, I drank out of panic...like I was afraid it was going to be taken away again....because it was. The problem with the model of moderation is twofold....what happens after you have a glass of your favorite? You relax and let your guard down. Then you have another....guard goes down more! Now you are chasing the buzz. And after all, that's what we, as alkies are doing. It isn't the taste or the glow we're after, it's the buzz. As you know, moderation is advocated on this site with the use of those harsh meds.
              Moderating, according to the book, is 14 units a week for a man and 7 units for a female. I do not believe that any of us here are capable to successfully keeping within these boundaries. Why? Because you can't moderate addiction. You only get one brain and it knows where you've been.

              I know that no words of mine can change your mind if you are bent on giving this a try....but I can tell you, that I have NEVER seen it work. I have heard the argument that maybe these successful people just ride off into the moderating sunset! They don't NEED this site anymore. I believe this is bullshit. If I could successfully moderate (without the meds) I'd be shouting it from the rooftops. I have seen them come back with hats in hand saying that it didn't work. I can tell you it doesn't work. You know it won't work....you have tried it before. As long as you give AL power, you will chase this dream of 'one day, I'll be able to just drink occasionally' for the rest of your life. Don't give it that power. Enjoy life for PEOPLE you are with, not because of what's in your glass. Did you ever look back at your vacation pictures and think "It was made all the better by those deliciously flaky pastries!!" Well, saying that AL will make a vacation more enjoyable makes about as much sense. It's because we are giving it that power!

              I try really hard to help people. My wish is that everyone doesn't have to learn the hard way like I did. I would urge you to read back on this site at the hundreds (thousands) of people who have tried it and failed.....myself included.

              People come here in utter despair caused by ALCOHOL. I went back to your first post.
              Feb 25, 2013.

              Day 1

              --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

              Thanks for creating this thread. I woke up yet again after guzzling two bottles of wine last night and calling in sick this morning. Another wasted day in my wasted life due to me being wasted. I know I watched the Oscars but could have gone outside and painted the street and stripped for the homeless people for all I remember. I'm alone and lonely. My husband travels a lot. I drink whether he's here or not. I avoid friends and family because I want to get drunk. I'm so in love with my husband and I have such a good life - why do I want to get drunk all the time! I'm afraid. I'm hopeless and desperate. I feel like there is some action or something I should do to get better and I don't know what it is. . .I am afraid to tell my doctor that I can't control my drinking or how often I drink. I've been here before - remorseful, ashamed and hoping to begin anew. I don't feel like this is a new beginning - I already know I'm not going to make it. I can say I'm not going to drink today and believe it - yet I know that once I string a few days together, I'll be opening the wine again before the week is out. Someone please say something that gives me a hand up.

              May I be the person who gives you this hand up? Protect your 40 AF days with all you've got! Do not give in to this ruthless addiction! It will chew you up and spit you out. Protect your quit with all you've got! I guarantee you, you cannot beat this addiction any other way but to stay AF.

              All the best, Byrdie
              All you gotta do, is get thru this day. AF 1/20/2011
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                I should have also mentioned that I was never a daily drinker. I don't believe I was nearly as far down the road of alcoholism as the people writing so many stories I read here. But I am grateful to be completely out of the rabbit hole, not going back in ever. It's not that I'm afraid to drink, or need to constantly remind myself that I can't drink. I simply don't want to.
                My life is better without alcohol, since 9/1/12. My sobriety tool is the list at permalink 236 on the toolbox thread under monthly abstinance.

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                  Byrdie,
                  Excellent post! And I hope this helps you to sort it out, I'mStrong! Think it through.
                  Sometimes what you're most afraid of doing is the very thing that will set you free.

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                    I'mStrong
                    only you know yourself and only you really know what the bottom line is. And I can only speak what I know to be true for myself. Last time I drank again, it took me almost 5 years to stop. I didn't wake up drinking but I couldn't wait till 5 pm came so I could cure what ailed me, last night drinking. Again that's me, we all have our story and again we are the only ones that really know it.
                    Sam
                    Liberated 5/11/2013

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                      For me, moderation would be enjoyable drinking. Like when we're on vacation. We may or may not have a drink during the day at a little cafe, or over lunch and/or before dinner. We'll split a bottle of wine - sometimes two - over a dinner that lasts several hours. We may have a nightcap back at the hotel. The next day we do it again. Then we come home, and then . . .the vacation ends. Is that where I kept on drinking, because it was enjoyable, and then it became a habit and then it became a crutch and then it became important and necessary? Does it have to be that way?

                      Hi

                      I was AF from 1 May for 50 days and had exactly the same though about the vacation. I now realise that nice as it sounds, it's a fantasy rather than reality for me. I know this as I made a considered choice to have some alcohol whilst on vacation... My plan being to drink as above. What actually happened is that I drank way more than I used to I ended up being sick one night from drinking too much...

                      I quit again on 15 Sept. About a month in, I was thinking about Christmas.... It was chipping away in my mind.... I then read Rational Recovery and thank goodness, it has turned this brain chatter off.

                      I don't read your thread as saying you are going to drink. Just that you're thinking it over. All I can say from my own experience is don't put yourself through it... You say you are happy and have had no temptation to drink - it's just a question of keeping at it!

                      Xx
                      AF since Halloween 2016

                      Trying to kill my Wine Witch! :smileyb:

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                        Cool post Byrdie.

                        Strong - its good that you are airing your thoughts. Well done too on getting some AF time.
                        As Sam says its kind of pointless to compare our own stage of addiction to others - and feel we are OK because we have not reached rock bottom. I have done amazing (positive!) things during a lifetime of drinking way too much AL and like Sam, I never ever woke up craving a drink. But I don't see that as a pat on the back. Slowly I was poisoning my body and over a year ago I was told that I would probably die if I kept this up. To all outwards appearances I was healthy and a high achiever, good Mum - but I had my inner world of AL addiction - that was also hurting my home life.

                        I actually used my vacation time to test going AF - because there was less pressure then from work and deadlines. And also because of the different routines on vacation. Now AL doesn't factor into my vacation and non-vacation zones - because I can proudly say I choose not to drink AL at all.

                        Moderation was exhausting and for an addict, a pass card to drink. 7 standard drinks a week? And not more than 3 on any one night. Great if thats not a bother - and millions of people who drink AL do drink like this. But not almost all of us on MWO.

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                          Ukblonde;1589786 wrote: TSM allowed me to moderate, but end of the day I couldn't be bothered and I also wasn't willing to risk the effect of TSM reversing, so I quit.

                          Whenever I'm tempted I remember what I was like 3-4-5 years ago, all the trouble and heart ache, everything I've had to do to put it right and it still will never be right.

                          No I don't want that again and best chance I have is not to drink.

                          4 months and 2 days AF.
                          What is TSM?
                          10/14/13: I am truly grateful for another day in this amazing life. I'm sober and mindful of every moment.

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                            I' . Thinking that maybe I'll get tired of it and just won't want it, Thank you all for your support, and Byrdie particularly for finding my post. I'm on the Monday morning mad dash, but very much still here.
                            10/14/13: I am truly grateful for another day in this amazing life. I'm sober and mindful of every moment.

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                              I'm Strong and in Control;1590043 wrote: What is TSM?
                              TSM is The Sinclair Method. You take Naltrexone 1 hour before drinking and it is supposed to take away the desire to drink alcoholic in excess (very simplistic version on my part -UK can explain better). I tried the method for about 4 months, in fact thats how I found this site. It can take up to 18 months to work (and for some it doesn't work at all) and your drinking can actually spike before it works. After 4 months of trying it (and months of researching it) I decided it was way easier to just quit altogether. Alcohol is a fantasy. What we think it does for us is just our alcoholic mind trying to get us to keep drinking. Yes, I still have thoughts of drinking from time to time but it is way easier to just not drink than to control the monster.

                              Hope this helps.
                              AL free since March 17th 2011...loving this life. No drinking no matter what.

                              Hi my name is Lori and i am so happy to be here.

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