ARMY..................week beginning 7th September 2015!!!

[satz123]

I can't see it :rant:
It's just a tinchy weeny square

[satz123]

Happy birthday pauly !!!!!

[shambles70]

I can't see it :rant:
It's just a tinchy weeny square

Turn your binoculars the other way round! :thumbsup:

[paulywogg]

Hello Army,thanks for the birthday wishes we did most of it yesterday so today is just low key, Shambles, very nice artwork! Have a good night everybody

[IamMary]

Morning. Thats very early Molly.
I was tossing a bit too and no. 3 decided to join us, which didnt help, but head clear, so yay!
14 hours, thats a very long day :egad:

QN: how long before one stops obsessing about NOT drinking? It wont go away!!

Happy delated birthday Pauly.
Shambles, read all your posts last night, great progress and a talented artist!

[roxane]

I s'pose there's no quick answer to the obsessing thing Mary --- personally it depended on the quality of my quit --- in other words - how much work I did on myself -- how much I worked out with ruthless honesty my relationship with alcohol and ultimately how to live the life I wanted and to continue drinking were completely incompatible -- to understand that and to believe it in the core of my being -- once I 'got' that -- the obsession went -- completely and utterly -- I can honestly say I haven't thought about wanting a drink for well over 3 years... whereas on previous quits -- some just weeks -- some months -- it never REALLY went away -- every single time we think 'I wasn't that bad' -- or indulge in euphoric recall - or justify using a substance as 'support' for a difficult/sad/unfair situation --- we will obsess forever imo --- we cannot clear it out of our heads until we accept that it's not EVER EVER EVER the solution to anything ---

that's why my quit from cigarettes is much more vulnerable than booze --- 'when I'm old' --- 'when I live alone' --- 'when I need something badly for support' --- those thoughts still circulate occasionally in my head about cigs --- NEVER about drink ---- if you have determined that you never want it in your life again --- the quick answer is -- each and every day/week that goes by -- the want/need decreases --- some around here I've seen it get pretty much from the get-go -- others it's maybe a year or more ---

sorry --- lecture over

bib- i believed i had, but i still think about it. nearly all the time. not about drinking as such and if i follow it through the thought of being drunk doesnt appeal and in fact is a little scary. enough to stop me. but its still there and its wearing.

i had some news yesterday which was great for the person involved. it was also what i wanted for myself and see no way of achieving. yes i had fuck it thoughts. whats the point? im still no further forward in my life than i was last year. or the year before. sometimes it is just a struggle that i worry is wearing me down.

morning btw.

[GlitzyB]

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=900871686645056&set=a.138283309570568.26522.100001666998428&type=1

Morning army this on fb I hope the link works.

[roxane]

thats so true foxy.

molly i am extremely unhappy.

[GlitzyB]

Most I think about al/notdrinking/quiting etc it just creeps up on me. Not when or ever it will totally go awy or stop but as long as I don't act on those thoughts and the thoughts of a relapse and drinking does make me feel ill. Just checked the link those words sum up what drinking and alcoholism really is.

[roxane]

i dont know what i want. i think ive said enough already.

[JackieClaire]

Morning lovelies,
Have to run out to work in a moment.
Love that link, Glitzy.

Ahh, Roxxxy,:hug: any thing we can do or is this something you want sort out yourself...........you know we'll listen.

Must away.

[satz123]

Roxy - you should talk about it.
The combined wisdom on here is priceless.
It's how I recognized my mild underlying depression - which at the end of the day is just Serotonin levels were low and I'll do anything to feel good - ANYTHING !
( except drink or smoke )

[shambles70]

Morning all. Roxy, please pm me if you want to talk off here...I have a LOT of time to talk atm, and I know you are a very private person. Plus I come from Essex, so we're probably related in some way *weak attempt at humour smiley*

Mary, have you looked into campral/acamprosate? I think you should if not. All of the army told me last time around that whatever makes our quit easier in the early days, we should do. It doesn't work for everyone, it works for me though. It is a very gentle, very safe medication that can reduce cravings dramatically, and very quickly. It works by restoring the chemical imbalance in your brain that the Al caused. For me it felt as though somehow that Al obsessed part of my brain had been taken out and thrown away.
I'm gonna go get a coffee and find some info for ya!

[shambles70]

Pharmacodynamics

Pharmacodynamic studies have shown that acamprosate calcium reduces alcohol intake in alcohol-dependent animals in a dose-dependent manner and that this effect appears to be specific to alcohol and the mechanisms of alcohol dependence.

Acamprosate calcium has negligible observable central nervous system (CNS) activity in animals outside of its effects on alcohol dependence, exhibiting no anticonvulsant, antidepressant, or anxiolytic activity.

The administration of acamprosate calcium is not associated with the development of tolerance or dependence in animal studies. Campral did not produce any evidence of withdrawal symptoms in patients in clinical trials at therapeutic doses. Post marketing data, collected retrospectively outside the U.S. have provided no evidence of Campral abuse or dependence.

Campral is not known to cause alcohol aversion and does not cause a disulfiram-like reaction as a result of ethanol ingestion.

[shambles70]

Sorry that wasn't particularly helpful, but Google campral and have a look!