~cattleman cafe~ & another 24...

[paulywogg]

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WF,I remember that post from Molly,I've had such wonderful people reach out to me over the years,be inspiring,helpful,etc sometimes I wonder if they just dunno what to say to me anymore,, its hard to be talking with a rational,loving person one minute,then a miserable sad little drunk the next,its like wtf happened?!?its really truly in our hands to protect our quits,nobody can do it for us and thats the bottom line

[paulywogg]

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Wanted to add that Cowboy has become one of my mentors here,a big one! At first when he would post the truth I thought"who's this asshole? Thinks he knows it all!" That was my AV talking that didn't want to hear the truth,now I go back and reread his posts and appreciate them,thank you ABC!!

[Orimus]

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The cool breezes on a sunny Friday here in Jersey, 62f at 11:40 am. Committing to another 24!

[ssd858]

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[MENTION=21602]abcowboy[/MENTION] - no rest for the wicked, huh? You have to work on the long weekend?!! Yowsers!

So happy to see you here Pauly! You are right on with it being up to us to protect our quit. But, all of us here understand the crazy
thinking that comes with the alcohol and the depression it brings with it! Last night was day 14 for me and my brain starting taunting
me with ...wouldn't a glass of wine be good? Yes, but it wouldn't be just one. It would be the entire long weekend drinking, waking up Tuesday feeling like hell and hitting that wall of doom that comes with it! I resisted yesterday and each time we resist it we grow stronger!

Happy Friday to all - stay free! Free from a!

[Wildflowers]

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Continuing on this sober path with 24 AF hours. Thank you...

[MENTION=23850]empyr3al[/MENTION] - Thank you for answering what AWS means. I thought it was some type of disease. Googled it and this is what came up: Amazon Web Services. Should have known what it meant in regards to poisonous/ethanol. Hope your doing Okay? Sending you light and hope.

@Mr Vervil - Sure do appreciate you taking your valuable time to share your experiences, research and perspective on Liptor!... :thanks: Don't think I want to take it either. My Mom had problems with it. I already have muscle pain do to auto immune Graves disease. My neighbor who's in her eighties and quite fit has similar levels as your Mom and is fine.

[MENTION=6149]Paul[/MENTION]y - Hope you know I posted your thread for another member. Good supportive and learning thread. Mollymoo's response was insightful and brillant. There were many others wonderful responses. Sometimes a certain post will just be like a light bulb for me. Understand, others will find another post equally brilliant. Glad you accepted help from abc and see him as a mentor/friend. Think he's a good egg. We all are!.... Hope your day is good.

[MENTION=7944]dill[/MENTION] - Hope you and your community will be safe!....

[MENTION=22385]ssd858[/MENTION] - I definitely understand the crazy thinking. I mean this in the most polite way. As I told my spouse this AM, glad I'm not the only :nutso: in the house. We like to laugh at ourselves. Which is good, as I tend to take life to seriously at times. Getting better as I grow into my seasoned self. :congrats: on your two weeks. :smile:

[empyr3al]

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Yeah the specialist that prescribed it knows what its for, its used instead of valium for initial detox and then preventative maintenance. The pharmacist told me to increase weekly by 300mg which defeats what its actually being studied and used for to prevent AWS. So initial doses are actually very high and if you react fine to the first 300mg, then you can hit 900mg or more but it does make you drowsy just as the amount of valium would do during the first 72 hours. My GP today looked shocked that the pharmacist had said weekly... he said no daily increase or immediately is the way to use it and showed me some serious software that knows how these things are used. My doctor has some of the highest tech stuff I've seen (they recently moved so its all new equipment). I've seen a GP before that had like 1960's decor and was a complete tool. My GP has a MAC and an iPhone and the latest in drug combination sotware and effect and uses. Communicates direct with my specialist nearly instantly and they know exactly what I use. Its heavily logged and can graph my blood work and history and cross correllate it with meds, its pretty astonishing. Its shows how quickly my body repairs itself from a bad bender. Give me 2 weeks and I'll be back to perfect. He scoffed at the pharmacist. Of course my doc is fresh out of school and knows how to use this kind of equipment because he was trained on it. Training on addiction in schools is far more advanced than it was in the past where it was a 1 day class and now is treated way differently. So far so good. So essentially its being studied as a different less dangerous means to prevent seizure and other symptoms instead of valium.

Just FYI if you were curious. Get a modern GP with peers and education and it changes everything.

Hope everyone is having a good day, and all I have for symptoms is sweaty palms. Crossing the threshold at the moment with very little issue

Wondering if I accidentally dropped a valium pill on the ground because my puppy is actually listening and not histerical and I have taught it already to sit, lay down (so down), up up and no. In a bloody day. Something fishy about the change in behavior so quickly. I control my drugs well so its unlikely but uncanny. I haven't sworn today about the insanity for the first time in weeks.

Been busy so I have to read some of the prior posts to comment.
[MENTION=17632]Mr Vervill[/MENTION], in the past 3 days I have seen my specialist, my pharmacist and my GP. Things are well in order.

Have a great day!!!

[paulywogg]

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5:25 am in Vegas another 24 please

[abcowboy]

"You are never given a wish without also being given the power to make it come true. You may have to work for it, however."

7:10am in Alberta, another 24 for me please and thanks...

In the past 24 hours, these people have signed in for 24 hours of sobriety:
[MENTION=17632]Mr Vervill[/MENTION] [MENTION=17650]paulywogg[/MENTION] [MENTION=7944]dill[/MENTION] [MENTION=20895]Orimus[/MENTION] [MENTION=22385]ssd858[/MENTION] [MENTION=16893]Wildflowers[/MENTION] [MENTION=23850]empyr3al[/MENTION] abcowboy

Darn it, slept in a bit this morning, then lost most of my first post because I forgot to check "remember me", so I'll be back later to finish it, but thanks Pauly...

[Mr Vervill]

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24 more here on a rainy morning

[dill]

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24 more here, please. Rainy and cool morning here too. I just got back from donating blood. Got a t-shirt!

[Wildflowers]

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Continuing on this sober path. Please - I'd like 24 AF hours. On this hot day in Oregon. Thank you.....

[Orimus]

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GMAE all. Just after noon here in Jersey, 63 f and sunny. Committing to another 24 as a non-drinker.

To me it seems not so much to seek a doctor who is newly out of school (lack of experience) nor one who has been in practice for a while (potentially lack of new information, potentially outdated sensibilities) but rather one who regardless of time in practice maintains his or her continued education. I also generally prefer a doctor who treats his/her patients not simply as patients but more as partners in health. An openness to alternative treatments (alternative or complimentary medicine which, in my opinion, should simply be referred to as traditional medicine as it IS the foundation of modern medicine.) is always preferable. The medical practitioner can't get away from the fact that his or her knowledge will quickly age and, with the frequency that medical science overturns itself, potentially become obsolete the further they get from their graduation. I don't think this is necessarily unique to the medical field either. Specifically addiction medicine is still pretty young. (See A History of Addiction Treatment in the United States)

Got an email from The Yoga Journal in re: to a meditative technique that I'm thinking of incorporating into my daily meditation called Kirtan Kriya. It seems that the technique is specifically being researched in re: to Alzheimers and, among other benefits, shows that it helps lengthen the telomeres and boost Dopamine given a 12 minute daily practice.

[empyr3al]

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24 more. [MENTION=20895]Orimus[/MENTION], Oh he does his research, my GP before anything. He is my partner and listens and wants the best for me. My addiction specialist is well versed and about 50 and knows what he is doing. Its kind of a balance of the two. New education vs Experience. Continued education is increadibly important. People in a lot of fields do this, or need to. I do it. Plumbing, gas and control systems do not stay the same and requires constant education. Some of the ovens I work on the size of refrigerators that cost 70,000$ are essentially computers and logic controllers and models change constantly and updates and required codes and modifications required often in the field to repair mistakes or what has been learned. A simple person that installs a gas fireplace doesn't really need new education, but fixing $5000 espresso machines requires some insane education. Most manufacturers put you up in a hotel and feed you and run you through hands on new models and how to tune them and what parts to remove to get to an issue. Auto mechanics the same. Same goes for computers and tech which is my hobby as I custom build, so I watch and read a lot. Addiction education is still in its infancy I agree, and an interest of mine. So it is a partnership with my doctors. Thats why I wonder sometimes if I'm a test subject to my specialist. Its his interest, so he learns.

I went to a course for anxiety/anger/frustration management and the language used and the terms and how psychology was managed was from the 90's. Complete waste of time. Obviously not educated or have continued education. Even some of the rehabs I've been too are way behind the times. The last one touched on some of how the neurological effects of alcohol work and a synapse for 2 hours but it was way above what most people knew, and to most this was new info to. No education in any of the 3 I have been to about medication or what it does. The one just blindly prescribed or didn't suggest to you like you were an idiot and didn't take the time to explain what exactly it does.

empyr3al <- addicted to the cutting edge and education. Also addicted to history of insane asylums, mad houses and historical tests on alcoholics. YouTube

Kept busy today, wow. We have a huge yard and lots of objects so it takes a lot of time to take care of. I spent an hour cooking my dinner. Setup my dash cam and another camera on the house. First time on the computer today other than to see if my mother emailed.

So 24 more please and something to distract me

[dill]

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"All you need is the plan, the road map, and the courage to press on to your destination."
~Earl Nightingale

GMAE, all. Keep in mind, this would be a really good day to be sober! Committing to 24. It will be my honor this week to find the daily quote as requested, giving [MENTION=21602]abcowboy[/MENTION] a much deserved breather!

[paulywogg]

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Nice quote Dill 5:21 am another 24 please