Join the Army Against Alcohol - February 2017

[JackieClaire]

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Ahh, sweetheart. :hug:.....That's heartbreaking

Make sure you have some time to yourself this weekend before the hurley burly starts next week.

[IamMary]

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Ahh, sweetheart. :hug:.....That's heartbreaking

Make sure you have some time to yourself this weekend before the hurley burly starts next week.

I will, thanks JC.
Off to the leada.. night night.

[mario]

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Good morning.

[mario]

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Sorry about your relation Mary, Sucide leaves so many question's unanswered & unanswerable .

Going out on my bike this morning for a few hours, enjoy the sun & watch all the lovely people come out , The sun sure does bring out the best humours in people here, even the stern faced germans :-0

[Tabbers (a.k.a. KTAB)]

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Good morning folks, back to very wet & windy, surprise surprise. I am off to work soon. Cant't believe how quiet our little thread has become, where have all the lovely people gone?

Cousins funeral today, took his own life. Utterly heartbreaking. left so much behind. So much makes no sense.

Oh Mary, sorry to hear that, it's very tough. I went through the same with my first cousin aged only 20 many years ago, his mum in particular has never gotten over it. It is so hard for the ones left behind with all the questions and not one answer. I believe that in order to take the ultimate step a person just isn't in their right mind, they can't be for by definition it is in our nature to survive above all else. Which brings me to depression and in particular when drinking, I personally got very very low sometimes and on a couple of occasions after I had lost my business and was hitting the booze hard I remember thinking my family would be better off without me. Crazy thinking, I even added up all the life policies etc and figured it was over half a million and that would have solved our money issues. Anyway that was a few years ago now and I am far out the other side, but it is not something I would have dreamed of discussing at the time with anyone. The furthest I got was telling DW I was depressed, not that she needed telling.

[satz123]

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Morning folks. Thanks for sharing Tabbs. Alcohol is a CURSE - a few times drunken thinking I thought if I had a pill to end it I would.
Typically, of course, any other way of doing it would be too much trouble - my warped alcohol-fuelled brain.

Mers that is so sad - but you know, some people suffer so much mental torture on this earth - it's a happy release for them and maybe we need to let them go.
As long as the mind was not in an altered state from drugs or booze that was the choice they made.
This is the only way I know to cope with such a situation and stay sane .....
It only works if you believe in something after this life ..... not Holy God in the sky but a continuation ....... not an end. A different course :hug:

[Tabbers (a.k.a. KTAB)]

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As long as the mind was not in an altered state from drugs or booze that was the choice they made.

Hiya Benji, sorry I have to disagree with you here, to do this a person can't be thinking straight or in their right mind, so it can't be a 'choice' but a reaction to thinking that there is no choice, no option and no way out of where they are at that moment in time.
Obviously people who are wishing to explore euthanasia because of terminal illness is a separate issue entirely.

[mario]

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Morning folks. Thanks for sharing Tabbs. Alcohol is a CURSE - a few times drunken thinking I thought if I had a pill to end it I would.
Typically, of course, any other way of doing it would be too much trouble - my warped alcohol-fuelled brain.

Mers that is so sad - but you know, some people suffer so much mental torture on this earth - it's a happy release for them and maybe we need to let them go.
As long as the mind was not in an altered state from drugs or booze that was the choice they made.
This is the only way I know to cope with such a situation and stay sane .....
It only works if you believe in something after this life ..... not Holy God in the sky but a continuation ....... not an end. A different course :hug:

Hiya Benji, sorry I have to disagree with you here, to do this a person can't be thinking straight or in their right mind, so it can't be a 'choice' but a reaction to thinking that there is no choice, no option and no way out of where they are at that moment in time.
Obviously people who are wishing to explore euthanasia because of terminal illness is a separate issue entirely.

But isn't this what so sad & confusing about people who take there own life's, We as in nobody knows why, We can all speculate of why WE think they did it but at the end of the day we just don't know, and there is nobody there to help any of us answer that question.

[Tabbers (a.k.a. KTAB)]

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Indeed. I must away to work now folk, be good.

[JackieClaire]

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But isn't this what so sad & confusing about people who take there own life's, We as in nobody knows why, We can all speculate of why WE think they did it but at the end of the day we just don't know, and there is nobody there to help any of us answer that question.

Wise words again, Mario.

[JackieClaire]

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I would say more about the suicide debate but really don't feel able.........I've been affected by it twice......close friends, many years ago........and to this day I'll never understand and I miss them.

Looks like me and my pal are either going for Indian street food or Tapas for lunch.

[satz123]

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Hiya Benji, sorry I have to disagree with you here, to do this a person can't be thinking straight or in their right mind, so it can't be a 'choice' but a reaction to thinking that there is no choice, no option and no way out of where they are at that moment in time.
Obviously people who are wishing to explore euthanasia because of terminal illness is a separate issue entirely.

But isn't this what so sad & confusing about people who take there own life's, We as in nobody knows why, We can all speculate of why WE think they did it but at the end of the day we just don't know, and there is nobody there to help any of us answer that question.

Yes Mario. But it's not about us and our confusion. We may never know why in most cases but we do need to accept that.
It's their life - their journey. Why do we assume they want to stay. Life at a any cost - is not a life.

And Tabbs if the choice to end life is ok and acceptable for a physical illness why is a incureable mental illness any different ?
I do beleve IMHO it is a choice made by many when it comes down to it - (provided someone is not in altered mindstate from drugs or alcohol.)
Alcohol abuse is a slow suicide- example George Best. Many will end the struggle - it's just too difficult and expecting them to live in hell day after day, when nothing is working, is cruel.

These are just MY musings ........... it may chage if I was personally affected .......
I would like to see figures for those saved from suicide as to whether they are happy about it or do they try again.

We cannot MAKE people happy - maybe they were just too good this world.

[IamMary]

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Morning all.
Thanks for the words.

It's a complicated one. I agree with a lot of what you say Satz. Our family have experienced 2 previous suicides over the years (not close like JC however).. Both of these suffered cronic depression, but were elated once the decision was made. Notes written, decision explained, future planned. No one had to ask why, they knew why.
The life this cousin lived, appeared, on the surface anyway,at odds with that. Athletic, successful, gave so much back. As Tabbers put it, it could have been a reaction..

Don't quote any of the above, I might delete it later , always paranoid someone will find this corner of de interweb!

[Neo]

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Hiya Benji, sorry I have to disagree with you here, to do this a person can't be thinking straight or in their right mind, so it can't be a 'choice' but a reaction to thinking that there is no choice, no option and no way out of where they are at that moment in time.
Obviously people who are wishing to explore euthanasia because of terminal illness is a separate issue entirely.

I think we all have a choice wether we drink or not albiet a poor choice.I Have gone through some of the lowest of the low bad days and been very hung over and had the ultimate early morning anxiety.Worse when there is no valium. I also know that never once at any time no matter how bad, have I ever wanted to intentionally commit suicide. We can never always know why, but something happened also in our family a few years ago

[satz123]

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Thanks for understanding what I was trying to say Mers. :hug:
Of course there is always the reactive - a situational trigger - that once calmed down and get help are fine. It is long term folk suffering daily torment I am referring to.
I too was going to delete that post once written - but decided it's what I ACTUALLY think - so with my sober head on me and being old and get away with stuff I decided to try vocalise what I really feel.



PS
JJ (James Joyce) plus an invalid JJ ( Mr Satz) both have me mithered ............:crybaby: