Join up!! Army against the grog !!! April 2018

[starty]

Re: Join up!! Army against the grog !!! April 2018

Yep, like getting embroiled in negative thinking patterns and then failing. Monkey mind stuff

[satz123]

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Hello all. I hope you are having a great weekend?

Takeaways not my thing at all. I do eat a bit of convenience food though but add fresh veg, potatoes or pasta. Also rely on lots of fruit and veg juices. Loathe being in the kitchen as you know.

Going through a bit of a shite time meself at the mo, I think it may be PAWS. Anyone else suffer from it? I know its very common with opiates and alcohol. I think mine is more the former. Reading a lot about it yesterday and it is exactly fitting for my symptoms. One of the main things they suggest is to talk to people about it.
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Starts.
If you are sick - with flu - if it's that dodgy one going around. Depression is one of the side effects. I felt such a 'loser' too when I had it.
Didn't want to go out , didn't want to stay in - nothing was giving me joy.
It was AWFUL.
Roll on 2 weeks and I feel great. Energy back.
Someone mentioned CoQ10 as good for energy and along with vit C and a multi I have turned the corner.

Just a thought that you just need some time to heal ?

[mollyka]

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Yep, like getting embroiled in negative thinking patterns and then failing. Monkey mind stuff

then yes - I understand - and I have felt like that. Particularly after coming out of treatment - I was very conscious of #1 the sort of chaos I had caused ending up with me having to go away for a month and the cost as well and generally being in bad books with the family and#2 knowing that previously - whereas I had often been all gung-ho with my sobriety and seemingly flying along and enjoying it - and then -- bugger -- there I'd go again... as if I had no choice or mind of my own -- and my big fear was nearly like the glass would just make it's way to my lips and I'd drink it against my will -- it was very scary - and it certainly took me a good while - probably the guts of a year before I had some confidence in my sobriety and KNOW that it was my choice 100% -- doubt if any of that makes any sense to anyone - but that's the way I felt.... is that the sort of thing you're talking about?

[satz123]

Re: Join up!! Army against the grog !!! April 2018

And didn't want to even wash meself - apathy is the word I'd use.
Maybe Codeine w/d is similar ?

[satz123]

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and my big fear was nearly like the glass would just make it's way to my lips and I'd drink it against my will -- it was very scary - and it certainly took me a good while - probably the guts of a year before I had some confidence in my sobriety and KNOW that it was my choice 100% -- doubt if any of that makes any sense to anyone - but that's the way I felt.... is that the sort of thing you're talking about?

Yep makes sense Molls.
The relief after waking from a 'drinking dream' was wonderful.

[satz123]

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I'm just in from work and I want you Molls or Mers - being the closest - to shoot me at 85 or when I start to lose my marbles.
Whichever comes first.
It is no life for some of them - really and truly. Some are great but others are SO miserable. Just existing and unhappy and in pain.

[mollyka]

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I'm just in from work and I want you Molls or Mers - being the closest - to shoot me at 85 or when I start to lose my marbles.
Whichever comes first.
It is no life for some of them - really and truly. Some are great but others are SO miserable. Just existing and unhappy and in pain.

d'ya know - I think it's what you make of life - there are people who are just spoilt rotten by everyone - parents - spouses - sprogs etc - and really get no happiness out of anything unless the equivalent of that spoiling is forthcoming - on the other hand - I had an aunt who had a tough enough life - and when she went into a home she just told everyone she wanted to be left alone - in her room with her books, her television, and her own company - she liked family visiting but no one else... she was as happy as a pig in shit - she really was - but everyone was saying how wrong she was and she should be meeting up with the other old folks in the common room or whatever - nah - she wasn't having a bit of it - and she truly did die happy... it's within us I think -- actually -- I KNOW that.... we can make ourselves happy or unhappy regardless of circumstances

[starty]

Re: Join up!! Army against the grog !!! April 2018

And didn't want to even wash meself - apathy is the word I'd use.
Maybe Codeine w/d is similar ?

Ha ha that is me!!! I dont think its flu defo to do with the codeine.
Good idea about the extra vits I will get a multi tomorrow. Thanks Satz xx

[starty]

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then yes - I understand - and I have felt like that. Particularly after coming out of treatment - I was very conscious of #1 the sort of chaos I had caused ending up with me having to go away for a month and the cost as well and generally being in bad books with the family and#2 knowing that previously - whereas I had often been all gung-ho with my sobriety and seemingly flying along and enjoying it - and then -- bugger -- there I'd go again... as if I had no choice or mind of my own -- and my big fear was nearly like the glass would just make it's way to my lips and I'd drink it against my will -- it was very scary - and it certainly took me a good while - probably the guts of a year before I had some confidence in my sobriety and KNOW that it was my choice 100% -- doubt if any of that makes any sense to anyone - but that's the way I felt.... is that the sort of thing you're talking about?

That is it exactly!! Being gung ho and doing well, then crashing and feeling a fake and wondering what the hell happened and like I have NO control over my actions.

[starty]

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d'ya know - I think it's what you make of life - there are people who are just spoilt rotten by everyone - parents - spouses - sprogs etc - and really get no happiness out of anything unless the equivalent of that spoiling is forthcoming - on the other hand - I had an aunt who had a tough enough life - and when she went into a home she just told everyone she wanted to be left alone - in her room with her books, her television, and her own company - she liked family visiting but no one else... she was as happy as a pig in shit - she really was - but everyone was saying how wrong she was and she should be meeting up with the other old folks in the common room or whatever - nah - she wasn't having a bit of it - and she truly did die happy... it's within us I think -- actually -- I KNOW that.... we can make ourselves happy or unhappy regardless of circumstances

I pray that you are right Molls. I really do. And more than anything I pray that I can get to that point where I feel content in my own skin....and hope it aint 85 when I do !!!

[satz123]

Re: Join up!! Army against the grog !!! April 2018

d'ya know - I think it's what you make of life - there are people who are just spoilt rotten by everyone - parents - spouses - sprogs etc - and really get no happiness out of anything unless the equivalent of that spoiling is forthcoming - on the other hand - I had an aunt who had a tough enough life - and when she went into a home she just told everyone she wanted to be left alone - in her room with her books, her television, and her own company - she liked family visiting but no one else... she was as happy as a pig in shit - she really was - but everyone was saying how wrong she was and she should be meeting up with the other old folks in the common room or whatever - nah - she wasn't having a bit of it - and she truly did die happy... it's within us I think -- actually -- I KNOW that.... we can make ourselves happy or unhappy regardless of circumstances

Molls. I'd like to think that but I believe now that external circumstances can dictate our happiness especially when we become vulnerable and dependant on others.
If you've broken your hip - and are then dependant on others even to go to the toilet - and have to go into a nursing home - all independance is taken away because you can't walk.
You happen to have a room on second floor ?- you have no choice but to sit in the sitting room all day until it's time to go to bed because all the carers are on the ground floor.
Add to that some dementia - that doesn't lend itself to happiness.

[JackieClaire]

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[MENTION=22456]starty[/MENTION]....my heart goes out to you, darling. I don't know what kind of realtionship you have with your doctor but once the bloods have come back and its nothing physical......hopefully you can work together. I'm thinking talking perhaps talking therapy.

Can't believe the hospital let Joe come away with that many pain killers. Did they just shovel them into a container.:egad: Take them back to the pharmacist.

Satz, what do we do if our brains are still active but our bodies aren't.......frightens the life out of me.

[RunningCourage]

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d'ya know - I think it's what you make of life - there are people who are just spoilt rotten by everyone - parents - spouses - sprogs etc - and really get no happiness out of anything unless the equivalent of that spoiling is forthcoming - on the other hand - I had an aunt who had a tough enough life - and when she went into a home she just told everyone she wanted to be left alone - in her room with her books, her television, and her own company - she liked family visiting but no one else... she was as happy as a pig in shit - she really was - but everyone was saying how wrong she was and she should be meeting up with the other old folks in the common room or whatever - nah - she wasn't having a bit of it - and she truly did die happy... it's within us I think -- actually -- I KNOW that.... we can make ourselves happy or unhappy regardless of circumstances

Fecking A Molls :thumbsup:

Am gonna mind that story.

Kinda like gratitude.

Minds me of the great and the good who have been imprisoned but see it as an opportunity... Brian Keenan, John McCarthy, Terry Waite, Nelson Mandela etc...

[RunningCourage]

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Molls. I'd like to think that but I believe now that external circumstances can dictate our happiness especially when we become vulnerable and dependant on others.
If you've broken your hip - and are then dependant on others even to go to the toilet - and have to go into a nursing home - all independance is taken away because you can't walk.
You happen to have a room on second floor ?- you have no choice but to sit in the sitting room all day until it's time to go to bed because all the carers are on the ground floor.
Add to that some dementia - that doesn't lend itself to happiness.

Hmmm... agree also... I was going to say:

IN fact minds of Brian Keenan's quip to the tall Terry Waite when the latter joined them in his and John McCarthy's cell: Waite apparently said on stepping into their cell, "wow, it's roomier in here" To which Keenan replied in typically dry Norn Oirish humour, "It was until you arrived."

And also Kate Adie - mind hearing her speak once and saying that, stuck in a ditch between cross-fire in some middle eastern country, she and the troops she was with starting telling each other jokes. Life or death situations... and it is humour that can often comes to the surface.

We can make ourselves happy, regardless of the situation - solitary confinement, imprisonment, caught between cross-fire.

Of course having said all that, the last thing I want to do is belittle the fecking horrific stuff that happens in individual's lives, whether it be the neighbour next door or the suffering communities in Syria.

It is too easy to say simply, for example, "we can decide how we feel in any given situation"... But I do think many of us, I included, can covet other's lives too much, feel sorry for ourselves, and not recognise that which we have that is good. When one's basic needs, desires, purpose, and ability to choose have been removed, I can understand how that lead towards despair.

[IamMary]

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Evening,
Yiz are very yappy today, took me ages to read back

Stary, mind yourself over the next while. Why not cut back on the hours for a while? Its the devil you know, the unknown of a new job is just more stress.
[MENTION=9094]satz123[/MENTION] .. that must break your heart seeing that every day. Do many of them have no say in going into a home? Only have 1 aunt in a home, but thats complicated. All of the rest, so far, have been able to avoid it. There must be some that are happy and content?
On the flip site, it could also be very lonely living on your own, if you cant get out as much (I should have had rakes more children!)