August Army Manoevres

[mollyka]

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Morning all - oh benjy what a hard time for you all - my heart goes out to you:hug:
It's great that they are offering a suitable choice for your mum tho - the way they talk about our health service sometimes you'd have visions of nothing being offered at all , and she'll be safe and she has plenty of you for visits etc make her last days as happy as possible - age is cruel really xxxx

[RunningCourage]

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Morning,

Sorry to here about these decisions you have to make with your mum, satz. Cannot be easy. Phoenix park looks nice tho, and if she gets the heath care there she needs and it's comfortable and she can bless the Pope whenever he pops by, then sounds to be the best option? I don't envy you. Must be such a hard thing to deal with - on top of dealing with the other generation of young satz.

Mary - interesting thoughts re insomnia and AL. I have long believed that my waking up in the middle of the night was due to AL. I had/have this theory that I wake up whenever the AL has gone through my system (based on burning a unit of AL an hour). Of course, on those occasions I drank more, i tended to not wake up during the night, but wake up in the morn feeling worse for wear.

Drinking is... well, it's not gone. It's a bit better tho. But it's not as it should be.

Off up north for a couple of nights to see friends. Taking the tent to see if I can be arsed sleeping in that - it's that or my friends sofa. Tent is less comfortable but offers more freedom.

Have a top thursday folks.

[mollyka]

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Insomnia/Sleep problems -- expert I am!!!
ok - I learnt to be realistic about sleep when talking to my doc #1 and in treatment #2 - I was never a wonderful sleeper - as a child I would read into the small hours with a torch under the blankets - so to expect me as an adult to sleep round the clock was unrealistic - but - when I was drinking I 'fell asleep' so easily - until about 3am usually - Chinese medicine tells us that different hours of the day/night repair different parts of the body - the 3am part is the liver -- go figure that one.. and with the waking at 3am came the chronic anxiety and depression - then of course falling fast asleep again at 6-7am then having to haul my ass out of bed exhausted for work
Quitting or cutting back on the booze just made things worse if anything - because the ease of 'falling asleep' was also gone - I was the guts of a year sober before my sleep got any sort of a normal pattern - it's still far from normal - but that's as good as my body has ever known -
and lots of folks say a few days regulating sleep with sleepers can work - didn't for me - cos they just induced an abnormal 'good' sleep for me - but for anyone who used to sleep a solid 8 hours - go for it I say - like Mary

Nowadays I don't worry about sleep too much - mind you - I don't have a seriously arduous job so if I'm tired going into work - I manage ok.. but imvvho without a doubt alcohol seriously disrupts sleep and it takes a longish period of time to revert to a sort of 'normal' -- unfortunate but that's what it is!!

[JackieClaire]

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Morning...........

[MENTION=18049]RunningCourage[/MENTION]...........mounds of info on the net about the 3am phenomenon ........get googling

Why You Wake Up Early After Drinking All Night

Morning,

Drinking is... well, it's not gone. It's a bit better tho. But it's not as it should be.

Now this worries me. Now, believe me, please believe me............I faffed about for donkey's years trying to control my drinking so I'm talking from experience........

We can manipulate ourselves into thinking...........its not that bad..........then along comes the ............yet.

Harsh or honest..........I'm not sure how this will come across.........but Arsey.............ach I'll say it out loud ..............time to give the drink up. It takes some getting used but used to it you get..........faffing about with the 'will I.......won't I ' will give you a muddled mind at the very least......there's a constant battle going on in your head.......... that's a damned sight more stressful than just giving it away.

[mollyka]

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Morning...........

[MENTION=18049]RunningCourage[/MENTION]...........mounds of info on the net about the 3am phenomenon ........get googling

Why You Wake Up Early After Drinking All Night



Now this worries me. Now, believe me, please believe me............I faffed about for donkey's years trying to control my drinking so I'm talking from experience........

We can manipulate ourselves into thinking...........its not that bad..........then along comes the ............yet.

Harsh or honest..........I'm not sure how this will come across.........but Arsey.............ach I'll say it out loud ..............time to give the drink up. It takes some getting used but used to it you get..........faffing about with the 'will I.......won't I ' will give you a muddled mind at the very least......there's a constant battle going on in your head.......... that's a damned sight more stressful than just giving it away.

well it'll be no surprise to you that I agree with Jackie on this one -- the facts are - you looked for support for 'problem drinking' - you landed here - imo - and certainly in the opinion of the treatment centre I attended - (bearing in mind all the counsellors are recovering addicts so not only professionally but personally, they understood the addict) - if you admit to yourself that you have a problem with drink - you're on the slippery slope and when you say 'it's not as it should be' - well I guess it never will be - we can't go backwards - 'control' is a jokey word to us - but I'm guessing you fight in your head about whether you are like 'us' -- that you have to face down with total honesty - and ok - maybe there's a possibility that you think you've a problem that you don't? likely?
We will grasp at anything to be 'normal' - I remember feeling TOTALLY conned by the Allen Carr book 'how to control your drinking' - omg - waded through it waiting for the magic control button -- nope - his method of controlling alcohol was to quit - full stop.... I was actually cross - felt mistreated by him -- ffs!!!! It's not what anyone wants to hear - I certainly didn't - but we would be disingenuous to not speak as we see.. anything else would make this site useless -- but then -- would it? Are we correct that it's all or nothing? as Benjy would say - discuss

[satz123]

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Quitting or cutting back on the booze just made things worse if anything - because the ease of 'falling asleep' was also gone - -

I think young Satz is at this point of drinking to relax "his spinning mind" & then sleep.
His life is hell at the moment with no-one talking to him, no friends, dodgy job and I see him get up with determination every day as I did to stop. But evening changes that.
He came in last night after work - stuck his head in door to me & said sorry about yesterday (?) ate his dinner and went to bed.
Same the night before.
Add to that guilt and shame of not visiting his grandmother .....
Sometimes I'm fearful he'll do something to end the vicious circle

[satz123]

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anything else would make this site useless -- but then -- would it? Are we correct that it's all or nothing? as Benjy would say - discuss

I don't know Molls. Do we know ANYONE who controlled their drinking once they knew there was a problem on the site. I don't.
I came here to just control - just drink at weekends - just drink when out in pubs.
Came to realise that was not my MO - I liked to drink alone and not be hindered by closing time, rounds, making a tit of myself in public.
I liked to drink during the day on holiday ............ didn't work well for me either.

So I said F*** that - and stopped altogether.

[satz123]

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I remember feeling TOTALLY conned by the Allen Carr book 'how to control your drinking' - omg - waded through it waiting for the magic control button -- nope - his method of controlling alcohol was to quit - full stop.... I was actually cross - felt mistreated by him -- ffs!!!!

:hahaha:
I had read the No Smoking book - so I knew what was coming ......

[JackieClaire]

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Afternoon,
Had to rush out, earlier..........bus was on its way..............and we have no plastic folders........and I'll be honest when I logged back in I was squinting to see if there was back lash.

How long have I worked with addicts seven-plus years? With few exceptions addicts most generous, kind souls I've ever met. From what I've seen there and here, there's no barrier to being an addict......addiction is the one thing that can bring any of us to our rears............it levels us.....it has no boundaries...from the highest in the land to the rough sleeper.

I'll get of my soap box.

Never got to the end of Alan Carr's stop smoking book........found it a bit patronising so I threw at the wall where it rests behind the dressing table along with 50 shades of Grey.

[byebyebridgetjones]

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Afternoon,
Had to rush out, earlier..........bus was on its way..............and we have no plastic folders........and I'll be honest when I logged back in I was squinting to see if there was back lash.

How long have I worked with addicts seven-plus years? With few exceptions addicts most generous, kind souls I've ever met. From what I've seen there and here, there's no barrier to being an addict......addiction is the one thing that can bring any of us to our rears............it levels us.....it has no boundaries...from the highest in the land to the rough sleeper.

I'll get of my soap box.

Never got to the end of Alan Carr's stop smoking book........found it a bit patronising so I threw at the wall where it rests behind the dressing table along with 50 shades of Grey.

You crack me up girl.

[mollyka]

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I think young Satz is at this point of drinking to relax "his spinning mind" & then sleep.
His life is hell at the moment with no-one talking to him, no friends, dodgy job and I see him get up with determination every day as I did to stop. But evening changes that.
He came in last night after work - stuck his head in door to me & said sorry about yesterday (?) ate his dinner and went to bed.
Same the night before.
Add to that guilt and shame of not visiting his grandmother .....
Sometimes I'm fearful he'll do something to end the vicious circle

|I remember my life seeming very sad and insular at the end of my drinking but I just needed something to push me to the final rock bottom feeling - and I got it.. how long would I have fiddled and fusthered around like young Satz is if there hadn't been a catalyst.. ? I truly don't know - and we're all different - I'm guessing tho he has fully accepted his alcoholism? that in itself is something.. the part denial is the hardest bit to get over imo

I don't know Molls. Do we know ANYONE who controlled their drinking once they knew there was a problem on the site. I don't.
I came here to just control - just drink at weekends - just drink when out in pubs.
Came to realise that was not my MO - I liked to drink alone and not be hindered by closing time, rounds, making a tit of myself in public.
I liked to drink during the day on holiday ............ didn't work well for me either.

So I said F*** that - and stopped altogether.

I was exactly the same - couldn't see the attraction of going out Sat night to have 3 or 4 drinks (which ironically we consider UTTERLY controlled drinking - but if we do it twice a week we are over the safe limits if they are large glasses of wine for instance) like you I loved the lunchtime on hols and the at home topping up... was never gonna work for me.

Afternoon,
Had to rush out, earlier..........bus was on its way..............and we have no plastic folders........and I'll be honest when I logged back in I was squinting to see if there was back lash.

How long have I worked with addicts seven-plus years? With few exceptions addicts most generous, kind souls I've ever met. From what I've seen there and here, there's no barrier to being an addict......addiction is the one thing that can bring any of us to our rears............it levels us.....it has no boundaries...from the highest in the land to the rough sleeper.

I'll get of my soap box.

Never got to the end of Alan Carr's stop smoking book........found it a bit patronising so I threw at the wall where it rests behind the dressing table along with 50 shades of Grey.

Dunno why you'd expect a backlash - you've every right to your opinion anyways the same as everyone else... never read the stop smoking one - I just decided the day to quit and I quit - much easier than the drinking - rarely if ever think of them now

[mollyka]

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xpost Bridgey - how's it going with you?

[JackieClaire]

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Mr. JC and Bess back from the Vets. For a 14-year-old Labrador.............she's very fit. Prolly fitter than me and Mr JC at the moment. Got her joint juice and they'll see her agan in six months.

Guess what we now need some ink for the printer. I may just scream. Or shall I just write this fecking letter in crayon with itty bitty hearts up the side.

[mollyka]

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Threw out 3 printers a while back cheaper to buy a new printer than replace the ink - HP apparently do an ink scheme for a few euro's a month and they replace when it goes low - think I might do that

[mollyka]

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and wait till you hear this - when Joe broke his foot last June 12 months - because he went to A&E he was in the public system and everything has been free - literally everything - hardly ever delayed or waiting for appointments - all excellent - until today - the insurance company want a medical report from a private consultant on their behalf out in a mad posh private clinic on the southside - out he goes - insurance company probably paying your man a fortune to see Joe - he was left waiting in his private rooms for 3 HOURS...….