September Army!!!

[JackieClaire]

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Morning
[MENTION=15758]rustop59[/MENTION]............just need a new front door before the next load of traipsing workmen. We can manage the decorating of the little bedroom ourselves........you know instead of university being the B all and end all of further education getting young 'uns in a proper trade might just be a better idea.

[MENTION=18312]sweetpea29[/MENTION]........if Satz is your stand-in Mam........I'll be your dotty Auntie.

Today I'm meeting my pal that had the massive relapse the other week..........he's put himself back into the hands of the D&A team and is back on track.

[satz123]

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Morning all
As I said MY WAY worked for me - but those of you still trying to find your way - please post and give the Army a reason to go to battle against alcohol :horse:

Young Satz on day 5
Been to GP and got Librium for the shakes and sleep.
Seems content - so it always baffles me why he'd choose the horrible half-life and relapse after 2 weeks.
Any insight into this would be a great help.

[rustop59]

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Morning all
As I said MY WAY worked for me - but those of you still trying to find your way - please post and give the Army a reason to go to battle against alcohol :horse:

Young Satz on day 5
Been to GP and got Librium for the shakes and sleep.
Seems content - so it always baffles me why he'd choose the horrible half-life and relapse after 2 weeks.
Any insight into this would be a great help.

Peer pressure because of his age, they are all having a wonderful time, at least portraying it that way? He just wants to be the same as everyone else. That’s the first thing that came to mind. Will have a further think about it on the Luas. Heading into city to visit tenement museum.

[starty]

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Morning all sorry ive been awol. Currently on me hols and having a lovely peaceful time
Sorry you are going through the mill sweety I totally get that feeling of it maybe being a relief if i was dead. Have felt it a few times myself. If you have someone you can talk it through with or perhaps even shoulder some of your responsibilities it might give you some breathing space. A visit to the docs for blood tests would also help identify any physical reasons for your depression

Re ys and relapse. It could be a million reasons one of them being obsessive cravings that dont let up. I seem to remember campral was a drug that helped folk with cravings? Or antabuse to take the choice away?
Or it could be that he doesn’t feel life would be better without booze or simply not giving himself enough time in each quit to reap the physical and mental benefits
Has he thought of counselling? Even one that is not al related might get to the route of what he is running from

[satz123]

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And now what I must do is disappear to work and mind my OWN business - but to whoever this applies to around the boards - please please realise this is not a bit of a bother this alcoholism - this is very very serious - not to be toyed with - not to be 'oh I'll just drink this week cos I'm on holidays/I'm sad/I'm any shagging thing in the whole wide world' - this is an insurmountable 'disease' to so many people that may NEVER EVER find recovery - do not play with this - it is reckless at best and potentially fatal at worst - that is not overstating the case - and even the longest long-termers here on MWO would be considered newbies in AA - so not one person here is secure - don't forget it - EVER -- and now yes - I will mind my own business

Have I rattled cages? yes I guess I have - I'm not sorry - the only thing I've done wrong here imo is not minding my own business#
bye!

My cage is deffo rattled....
WTF Molls :egad: You've managed in those posts to insult everyone. People who are just trying to get & stay sober and have a laugh doing it if possible.
Some may seem to you to be going at it half-cocked but ........ people have different life experiences, are living in different worlds to yours.

Hopefully you were just having a bad day and come back to the lovely , caring, cheerful, thoughtful Molls we have come to love over the years.
I know you've been hurt a few times on here when you openly talked about stuff important to you - in fact your total transparency is what I loved reading every day.
So don't let the haters stop you opening up when you are having a bad day and need to vent :hug:
Just don't take it out on us ...... :haha:

On the relapse issue. They say in treatment that relapse is part of recovery........ but It might be more accurate to say that relapse is an unfortunate part of the lifelong recovery process since that puts things in perspective without giving the 'out' to relapse....... or considered encouragement to make excuses for relapses.
This, and calling it a 'disease we can never recover from' to me is depressing. To be in recovery FOREVER is bullshit to me. My vho.
But to some it is what is needed - a healthy fear - to stay sober.
It's all to do with our mindset, developed over years, and how we view things.

I'm drained after that ............... need a lie down !

[satz123]

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Peer pressure because of his age, they are all having a wonderful time, at least portraying it that way? He just wants to be the same as everyone else. That’s the first thing that came to mind. Will have a further think about it on the Luas. Heading into city to visit tenement museum.

I agree Rusty - we on here are all of 'an age' and had good innings.
But he needs to compare life with & life without alcohol - no contest.
H'e gone back to GP today for blood tests and see if he's suitable for Anteabuse.
Most positive moves in 10 months.

[stirly-girly]

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Hello Troopers!

Well I finally have some time by myself and hopefully will be able to post a bit here. I don't stay away on purpose but I really have so little time when the Army members are here and posting. I start work when most of you are still in bed and by the time you're up and on the boards, the phones are ringing, customers coming in and I've got son and a co-worker here so no privacy. By the time you're on the boards in the evening, I'm off to bed. However, today, when I do have some time and read back a bit, I felt I had to comment. The Army was where I landed after an invite from Jackie when I first joined MWO. The boards were very different back then and stayed that way for a few years. I think it was then when MWO closed down for a few days for changes that things kind of went south. People came back, had problems signing in, problems navigating the boards, etc., etc. and some just couldn't be bothered and disappeared. I think tho' that there was something else involved because MWO was never the same after that. I have noticed, as I'm sure you all have, for some time now that there is a much, much smaller number of new members and new posters. Years ago, there were new people joining and a lot of them posted on one thread or another to say hello and they got responses. Now it seems that there are no new people. The Army is a strong thread but there isn't the support given that there used to be to "Newbies" simply because there are few new members who are looking for support and advice. Perhaps the search engines do not show MWO at the top as they used to and people simply are not finding the site. When I first went looking for "help for alcoholism without AA", MWO was the first site on the list. That's how I found it! The Army, as the Steppers thread, is a group of people who give great support to the regular posters but there are no new members. I don't know if it is because new people consider that most of the threads are a "closed threads", meaning that they are a group of people who have been around for some time and "know" each other, talk about their daily lives and support each other in the trials and the joys of every day life. Perhaps they feel hesitant about joining. Whatever the reasons, while threads like the Army and the Steppers threads continue to be strong threads, there is no "new blood" and I think it is a shame because both of those threads have given incredible support and advice over the years both to the regular posters and, in the past, to any new members whether they posted on those threads or not.
And another reason I don't post much is because my life has been a merry-go-round the past few months and I don't want to post and have it sound like it's all about me, especially when I tend to post and then get side-tracked with work and it may be a few days before I can actually sit down and write a decent post again.

As far as being sober - I'm coming up on 3 years - the longest I have ever been sober - and it just occurred to me last week that in my new apartment, I have no "safety net". Before I left Mr. Stirly in April, there was always a bottle of my preferred drink in the cupboard - with enough in it to get me smashed it I felt I needed it. Only once did I open the bottle and that was out of curiosity to see what it would be like to smell it, not to take a sip! Didn't much like the smell and certainly had no desire to drink any. In my new home, I have no AL except for a few cans of beer in the fridge in case younger son drops by as he likes beer. None of my drink and no need to buy any. Things have been very difficult the past few months but AL is not even considered - it is just not my "crutch" anymore. I don't care that I don't drink and it bothers me not the least when I am visiting friends or family our out for dinner or whatever where everyone but me is drinking. It never actually bothered me. I'm happy that I no longer drink and I don't care that I can't.

[stirly-girly]

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I agree Rusty - we on here are all of 'an age' and had good innings.
But he needs to compare life with & life without alcohol - no contest.
H'e gone back to GP today for blood tests and see if he's suitable for Anteabuse.
Most positive moves in 10 months.

Satzy - very glad to hear that young Satz is going for Anteabuse. That will take the decision out of his hands whether or not to drink, as long as he is committed to taking it daily or as often as needed to be effective. I have a couple of thoughts about why he is struggling so much and why he keeps going back to the drink. Of course peer pressure is one thing but my guess is that he really likes to drink. I know I did. Up to a point that is. Up to the point that I started to get worried about my health, that I saw the effects of AL on my body and face and when I realized how much time I spent each day thinking about it - if I had enough booze, how many hours before I could take that first drink, etc., etc. I really liked the warm, calming effect it had on me. Until the point where that first drink was the only one that made me feel that way and from then on to pass-out, it was simply a struggle to hide from Mr. Stirly the fact that I had been drinking, and to try to do things around the house in a natural manner, not stumbling and dropping things. Then I started to isolate and only drink by myself in my bedroom but I no longer enjoyed it. In fact I started to hate it and every night my thoughts were how can I stop this endless cycle, how can I get free of this addiction? Maybe young Satz just hasn't gotten to that point yet. He's not scared enough, sick of the booze, not seeing enough of the positive side of not drinking. We've all heard about rock bottom. I don't know that you have to have one incident that makes you say, this is it, I quit. But I do think that for some of us, you have to get to the point that you dislike drinking to give it up. Just my thoughts. Again, good to hear the positive moves that he is taking....

[palo]

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Hello all, do you mind if I drop back in here for the support I know your brilliant at. 7 years of not a drop and stupid head here thinks maybe now I could take a couple and leave it. MISTAKE, MISTAKE, MISTAKE. Could someone please find a large hammer and batter it into my head YOU CANNOT DRINK FULL STOP. Good to be back

[stirly-girly]

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Hello all, do you mind if I drop back in here for the support I know your brilliant at. 7 years of not a drop and stupid head here thinks maybe now I could take a couple and leave it. MISTAKE, MISTAKE, MISTAKE. Could someone please find a large hammer and batter it into my head YOU CANNOT DRINK FULL STOP. Good to be back

Hi [MENTION=14945]palo[/MENTION] ! There I was saying that there were no new faces in the Army and you popped in! Good to see you. Well, I won't use a big hammer but I will ask why you would want to drink after so many years sober. I find it very interesting that someone who has lived without AL for so long and I assume is content without it, would want to risk going back to drinking again. We can't know if it applies to all alkies, or problem drinkers, but I think the majority of people would agree that if we decide to start drinking again, that those one or two drinks will inevitably lead us back to drinking as much or more that we did before we stopped. So, my advice is to just not even consider it. Think back to why you stopped so many years ago and what your life was like when you were drinking. As they say, play the video through to the end and see where you will end up. I know that I would be right back to the level I was drinking at within a very short time and again I would be a prisoner inside a bottle. So I would never even consider taking even just one drink. Too scared to think where it will lead me. Not where it COULD lead me, but where it WILL lead me. Anyway, welcome back to MWO and good to see you in the Army!!

[satz123]

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I have a hammer

[satz123]

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But welcome back [MENTION=14945]palo[/MENTION] - who were you ?

[JackieClaire]

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[MENTION=14945]palo[/MENTION] is an anagram My favourite gemstone,

She was in Belfast with me all those years ago when Mario was asking strange women in the hotel we were meeting at...........are you my way out.:egad:

Just in from town and need to get some lunch, I'll do a proper read back inabit.

[stirly-girly]

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[MENTION=14945]palo[/MENTION] is an anagram My favourite gemstone,

She was in Belfast with me all those years ago when Mario was asking strange women in the hotel we were meeting at...........are you my way out.:egad:

Just in from town and need to get some lunch, I'll do a proper read back inabit.

Oh - now I get it! [MENTION=14945]palo[/MENTION] - I remember you!!! Welcome back!!!

[RunningCourage]

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[MENTION=18312]sweetpea29[/MENTION]........if Satz is your stand-in Mam........I'll be your dotty Auntie.

And I'll be your wee bro - who values yer awesome advice (and does;t care how long it takes you to tap it out on the keyboard )