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    [MENTION=15430]lifechange[/MENTION]
    @Satz, wow! great to be free of all of that for such a long time.. definitely worth a purple elephant dance! so you started drinking in your 50's? you drank before but it got out of control at some point..? no need to answer if you don't want.. i'm just interested in your story.. in everyone's actually..
    Long 'me me me' post Alert

    LC like everyone else I drank since my teens. I became a 'very good' drinker. Social drinking ( out of the house) until, in hindsight, the menopause kicked in when with insomnia etc., it escalated. When my kids moved on that's when it really took off 'cos no-one to answer to. It turned eventually to daily evening drinking after work.
    MrS barely noticed - I was so clever to have a glass on the countertop but a hidden bottle elsewhere. MrS NEVER drinks in the house and has this thing that only alcoholics drink at home - you could be blathered in the local from dawn to dusk and you're grand.

    I tried various methods to "just stop drinking at home" - but I found a life of work to home very mundane. Looking back I think I was suffering mild depression / anxiety where only a few drinks gave me the enthusiasm to do the chores of cooking, ironing, and all that shit. Never actually getting drunk - just happily merry & chilled.
    The house sparkled & my meals became more elaborate.
    I needed more & more to get the same effect. When wine moved to gin I knew I had to do something and tried lots of things.

    In 2009 I found MWO. Didn't stick with it.
    On & on till I came back in January 2012 - clicked with Molls & Jacks and others in the Army. Loved the interaction & eventually realised just drinking at weekends was not an option for me. I would have to quit completely :egad:
    Stopped drinking in July '12 but decided to drink on holidays in Australia in December. Started at Dublin airport and went on for 3 weeks.
    In Australia my family decided to confront me re drinking - odd because I was 6 months off it up to then - but once I'd decided to drink, my 'alcoholic drinking' was obvious to them at that stage.

    I was 'raging' 'cos I had 6 months behind me but they still confronted me.

    Anyway a few fits & starts in 2012 & eventually picked a date and stopped for good in June 2013.
    A lot of what helped me was being bull-headed and wanting to SHOW THEM I could do what I said I would. What also helped was being 6 months alcohol free had opened my eyes to what freedom was & I wanted it so much.
    In my family & social circle, drinking is ingrained so it was very difficult. Molls sent me some Antabuse that she had and they helped immensely if I had to go to something where I knew I'd be tempted - I was terrified I'd be sick if I drank. Worked a treat in the early days and highly recommended.

    From day one I relished the look of admiration / shock / envy on the faces of those who were aghast that I could enjoy myself drinking sparkling water when out.
    I still do to this day!
    It's kept me going if I'm honest. Holidays with my sister-in-law are legendary where I'm so evil I love the fact she now gets in trouble for drinking too much & I am an :angel: Apart from that, as she constantly reminds us, she is the perfect wife, mother, grandmother, friend. I'd say I am practically sullen compared to her social butterfly ways.

    I know that deep inside MrS longs for the old days where I drank to his timetable of only drinking at weekends, in the evening on holiday and never in the house.
    But that ship sailed long ago.

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      Originally posted by mollyka View Post
      Wonder did my anxiety stem from menopause rather than just social ineptitude?
      It's a possibility Molls - it's only when I look back I believe I self-medicated with alcohol. It was easier.
      Until I got chatting to like minded people on MWO I would not have dreamed of going to a doctor with anxiety or depression. Taking antidepressants - never :egad:
      But as you say - too late now !

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        Interesting story Satz. It always fascinates me with our different reasons, habits and eventual knowledge that we can't drink any more. Will post mine later as supposed to be working now :haha:

        Testosterone LC? Testosterone although essentially a male hormone, is actually produced by the ovaries at 4 x the amount of oestrogen. It declines as we age but more slowly than oestrogen. It is important for libido, but also for memory, energy, muscle tone. I think it also has an effect on the immune system. It isnt licensed for females in UK which is bonkers but meno specialists and some gps prescribe off license. It can be quite difficult to get as the powers that be really only say its for libido which is mad in itself. Its not worth having until oestrogen has been established in the body as if the oestrogen is low, it will just be converted to oestrogen. Once oestrogen is established it can be a useful "missing piece of the jigsaw" for many women. I want it as I cannot believe how much better I feel on oestrogen and I want to do EVERYTHING to live my best life and stay away from drugs. So, my GP says I can have it but need blood tests first. Once I have been on the gel for a few months I will start the ball rolling. Hopefully they won't change their mind. If they do, I have a contingency plan and will go private.

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          I always thought the issue was my fault in some way Molls. Now I am thinking maybe it wasn't

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            Originally posted by starty View Post
            Interesting story Satz. It always fascinates me with our different reasons, habits and eventual knowledge that we can't drink any more. Will post mine later as supposed to be working now :haha:

            Testosterone LC? Testosterone although essentially a male hormone, is actually produced by the ovaries at 4 x the amount of oestrogen. It declines as we age but more slowly than oestrogen. It is important for libido, but also for memory, energy, muscle tone. I think it also has an effect on the immune system. It isnt licensed for females in UK which is bonkers but meno specialists and some gps prescribe off license. It can be quite difficult to get as the powers that be really only say its for libido which is mad in itself. Its not worth having until oestrogen has been established in the body as if the oestrogen is low, it will just be converted to oestrogen. Once oestrogen is established it can be a useful "missing piece of the jigsaw" for many women. I want it as I cannot believe how much better I feel on oestrogen and I want to do EVERYTHING to live my best life and stay away from drugs. So, my GP says I can have it but need blood tests first. Once I have been on the gel for a few months I will start the ball rolling. Hopefully they won't change their mind. If they do, I have a contingency plan and will go private.
            Oh well done Starts. That is just amazing. It's beginning to dawn on us how important hormones are in relation to everything going on in our bodies.
            As women nature expected us to die after our child bearing & childcare days were over - men can carry on - but we suffer most for modern medicine prolonging our lives.

            Looking at obesity as a disease like any other - not just greediness or laziness - some doctors are prescribing a specific hormone (that helps you to stop eating when full ) can also be lacking - with great results I've heard.

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              You're so right Satz. We do suffer and so many of us have no idea why! Its madness that we are not informed of this and encouraged to deal with it. What is the obesity hormone do you know? I used to be so afraid of hormones and glad they had gone. How ignorant was I? I know that there is a small (very) heightened risk of taking oestrogen and progesterone re breast cancer. But in the great scheme of things the risk is smaller than drinking 2 glasses of wine per night and much smaller than being overweight. I would rather take my chances and be happy while Im alive

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                Good morning everyone

                Thanks for sharing, fascinating stuff. You know looking back I wonder if depression/anxiety did not play a role with me, I would also have been peri menopausal. Lots of horrible family stuff happening at the same time. Young kids, him away all the time. Never linked any of it to hormones until I started reading your posts. Food for thought.

                I know vitamins played a huge role in helping me get over the menopause.

                Better get back to work. So bored!

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                  Originally posted by rustop59 View Post
                  Good morning everyone

                  Thanks for sharing, fascinating stuff. You know looking back I wonder if depression/anxiety did not play a role with me, I would also have been peri menopausal. Lots of horrible family stuff happening at the same time. Young kids, him away all the time. Never linked any of it to hormones until I started reading your posts. Food for thought.

                  I know vitamins played a huge role in helping me get over the menopause.

                  Better get back to work. So bored!
                  My history sounds nigh on identical to yours Rusters...Joe was working 60-70 hour weeks...small kids AND teenagers and the most horrendous appalling fall out with my family of origin...blamed everything on my drinking but now...from a distance it was a chicken and egg situation..and now I refuse to take responsibility for my lunatic sisters antics...but I was a nervous wreck throughout...then my mum died and shit hit the fan...in the middle of all that I inexplicably put on a heap of weight...never suffered from weight gain before or since....so so much points to my invisible menopause in there in the middle of a shit show!!!
                  Contentedly sober since 27/12/2011
                  contentedly NF since 8/04/14

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                    Thats exactly what some of the experts are saying Molls, the toughest time of our lives are being combined with peri and its just overload. As its not really seen, people get each symptom investigated such as palpitations - cardiologist, aches - rheumatologist, weight gain - lifestyle, forgetfulness, stress and depression - psychologist or just shoved on anti depressants. When often the whole bloody lot can be helped by normalising hormones. We dont get what we need and self medicate. Its scandalous really and such a shame. Often asking for hrt is met with a no. I need to get off my soapbox :haha:

                    What supplements did you take Rusters? I have taken supplements, vitamins and all sorts of potions over the years. None of it really helped my mood and anxiety so of course I kept slipping back. Oh Anti Ds did level me out a bit. But then, I was told I would need to stay on them forever as I could NEVER have HRT because my mum had breast cancer at 73!!! OMG it makes me mad :haha:

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                      [MENTION=9094]satz123[/MENTION].............Mikey will be fine, he'll be with his pal Stan he's a Staffy and they :heartbeat: each other.

                      Starty, I wouldn't take HRT as you still get periods. I used to start off feeling warm inside until I was sweating and boiling by tea time and my moods were all over the place. Ringing Cedars pointed me in the direction of Black Cohosh. It was nothing short of a miracle.

                      We're off to York next Tuesday to pick up the 'dress' from Ads mum's house. She's going to follow us back up north and plonk her and Ads kids in a hotel. Then we're all going out for a meal.
                      Mr JC all suited and booted...................so we're ready to go. All I've got to do is get rid of a fecking red spot on my nose and I've become wedding bore.
                      It could be worse, I could be filing.
                      AF since 7/7/2009

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                        Originally posted by JackieClaire View Post
                        [MENTION=9094]satz123[/MENTION].............

                        Starty, I wouldn't take HRT as you still get periods. I used to start off feeling warm inside until I was sweating and boiling by tea time and my moods were all over the place. Ringing Cedars pointed me in the direction of Black Cohosh. It was nothing short of a miracle.
                        Thats amazing that the Black Cohosh worked for you. Yes the hot flushes start internally until they are explosive. Hot flushes I can live with. Mental torment I can't. Are you saying I shouldn't take HRT Jax?

                        Lovely that Mikey has a friend The wedding will be over soon!

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                          Originally posted by JackieClaire View Post
                          . All I've got to do is get rid of a fecking red spot on my nose and I've become wedding bore.
                          Ah it'll be long gone by the day.
                          You are not boring me - I love to hear about weddings once I'm not involved & I don't have to go :haha:

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                            Don't worry bout boring us Jacks...as d'otgers say...once we don't have to go ;-)
                            In a lovely spot tonight..Irish folk probably know it...Glasson...Nice little jetty a hotel up the road Joe wants to go there for dinner but not sure bout Max...don't want him barking cos there's a couple boats near us
                            Contentedly sober since 27/12/2011
                            contentedly NF since 8/04/14

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                              Wow, I'm going to read back these posts again, they are as good as the Joe Duffy show on menopause last year! Don't think I've started properly yet.. 51. Sleep changes and I'm constantly hot. Magnesium is my saviour (for sleep).

                              Thats some codeine detox [MENTION=22456]starty[/MENTION]! I suppose it various from person to person a bit too. How long are you off it now?

                              Yep marathon training LC. Just did a little D tour, for the craic :happy2:

                              Hope the spots gone [MENTION=7008]JackieClaire[/MENTION]!!

                              Love Glasson, I think we had dinner in that restaurant many years ago, wasn't there a TV show filmed from there, The Restaurant? It was in my drinking days, so couldn't tell you how the food was.
                              Last edited by IamMary; August 16, 2022, 06:23 PM.
                              AF - July 19th 2015 :happy2:

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                                Morning Army!

                                Mary, i did exactly that, just read through again.. when is your marathon? and is it in Ireland? do you ever travel to other places to run different ones?

                                Satz, thanks so much for sharing your story!! i really appreciate it..
                                and Starty, keep sharing the info, please! i'm going to ask my doctor about the testosterone!

                                more i want to write but will have to wait till after work.. have a nice Wednesday everyone!!

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