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    Hi all.

    I recently returned from a 10-day stay at the N.O.R.A. clinic in Durango, Colorado. Here's the link: N.O.R.A. | Amino Acid Drug & Alcohol Alternative Therapy | Amino Acid Treatment & Recovery Center

    Basically, it uses amino acids, vitamins and other supplements given by IV to repair brain chemicals damaged by alcohol and/or drug addiction. I picked it for that reason. I'd started having luck with using supplements to deal with my alcoholism but found I just could not digest all those pills. I kept thinking it would be helpful to take the supplements intravaneously, and it was.

    N.O.R.A also includes other therapies, like accupuncture, massage and energy work (the woman who does the energy work is truly gifted!)

    Anyway, I think the clinic is definitely onto something. The IVs helped my body and brain feel better. I did slip, drinking wise, when I got home, but not very badly and I picked myself up quickly.

    A couple of points for anyone who is interested:

    -- The IV treatments became painful for me. In order to find good veins, the nurses must have stuck me with needles a couple of dozen times over the course of the treatment. I still have pain in a couple of places, plus some bruising. So be prepared to deal with that if you try the place out. The IVs appeared to do their job in the end -- I felt better. But I think there must be a less physically painful way of administering them.

    -- The place was sort of disorganized. No one made sure to arrange my various services and I needed the help because I was sort of out of it. The place didn't totally deliver in some aspects like that. If you're interested in details, message me and I'll be more specific.

    Overall, my visit wasn't a great success, although it did help me stop drinking, at least so far. I was a challenging patient, I think. This is particularly because I'm pre-menopausal and my hormones decided during my visit to start going crazy. That made coping in general difficult. My drinking became a serious problem about the time I started having pre-menopause symptoms, and I realized during my time in Durango that I had never gone through a period of hormones surges without drinking! So, basically I was doing hormone surges in Durango cold turkey and it was tough!!!!

    I was so stressed by the hormones that I decided to bypass the therapy offered. I just couldn't cope with spilling my guts to a stranger, although I've done therapy several times in the past. Anyway, I think my decision upset my accupuncturist, who was also to do my therapy. That stressed me even more. I can say, though, that he was really great at accupuncture. My accupuncture sessions were marred, I felt, by the therapy issue but the accupuncture still made me feel pretty darn good.

    The cost for the program was $7,500. However, it is an outpatient program so I had to pay for lodging, food and a whole lot for airplane tickets. All told, I'd add another $3,000 to that.

    Was it worth it? It's hard to say. The program is new and definitely, in my opinion, needs some real work to make it more effective. But I think it's on the right road. A patient who was winding up his stay as I was starting seemed to feel it was great. I think he planned to write a testimonal for the web site. I'm glad for him.

    P.S. If you go, don't try to cut costs by staying in cheap hotels. We stayed at a Budget Inn that was a nightmare. You'll need some place where you can rest and relax. Also, try to bring someone who can act as an advocate for you. This will help you get all your services and deal with whatever problems might arise.

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    Hi LD,

    I remember you posted when you were about to go to N.O.R.A. I called them and found out they do not take insurance which I think is a huge drawback but the rest of the program sounded good. I am really glad you posted an update. Thank you!

    Stay strong!

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      Hi LD,

      I have found several topical creams as a way of getting supplements into my body because I have a very weak stomach. I use an antidepressant skin patch called EMSAM and I use a topical cream of progesterone to help with the perimenopause. I also use topical creams for vitamin & mineral supplementation. These creams are desined for autistic children, I think the site is called "our kids" or something like that. There are also Kudzu creams available although I have never tried them. HTH


      Myheart
      Patience has its limits. Take it too far, and it's cowardice.
      - George Jackson

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        MyHeartIsDrenchedInWine;203889 wrote: Hi LD,

        I have found several topical creams as a way of getting supplements into my body because I have a very weak stomach. I use an antidepressant skin patch called EMSAM and I use a topical cream of progesterone to help with the perimenopause. I also use topical creams for vitamin & mineral supplementation. These creams are desined for autistic children, I think the site is called "our kids" or something like that. There are also Kudzu creams available although I have never tried them. HTH


        Myheart
        I had no idea you could take supplements by topical cream. I have tried the creams for my perimenopausal problems but not with much luck. Now that I have fully experienced hormone surges without the numbing of alcohol I am seriously thinking about hormone replacement therapy. I think the men at the NORA clinic thought I was crazy, but I tell you those were some strong surges. The accupuncturist actually suggested hormone replacement therapy as well. Weird, I know, but telling.

        Anyway, thanks for the tip on the creams. I'll do some googling and see what I can find.

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          lucky;203884 wrote: Hi LD,

          I remember you posted when you were about to go to N.O.R.A. I called them and found out they do not take insurance which I think is a huge drawback but the rest of the program sounded good. I am really glad you posted an update. Thank you!

          Stay strong!

          The insurance is really a drag. Mine might cover a tiny bit of NORA but the rest will be out of pocket. I don't know about your insurance, but mine only seems to cover what doesn't work. For instance, it covered a very expensive detox and rehab program at the local county hospital that was just awful! It was practically a lockdown setting and no help at all. I felt worse after I left than I did going in -- like I was some kind of total loser.

          I hope program's like NORA are covered some day, but I don't see that in the near future.

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            more2life;203913 wrote: Glad you're back LD. Keep posting! We will be here for you.
            Thank you!

            One thing the clinic did do for me was to help me catch my breath a little and have some clarity of thought. I always thought my drinking became a problem because of my digestive problems. Constipation, which alcohol acted on like a laxative. But I realized that the real problem started when my hormones started raging, and that really made things in my body go wrong -- I had constant digestive problems, I stopped sleeping. Nearly constant periods for a while. And mood swings like crazy. I tried natural cures but they didn't help. I wanted to avoid hormone replacement therapy because my family has a history of breast cancer.

            Anyway, alcohol -- which had been helpful back in the one-glass with dinner days -- became my all-purpose treatment. And it got worse quickly. But I never realized that until I was in Durango, going through it all without alcohol.

            First thing I did when I got back home was to make an appointment with my endocronologist to have this tumor on my pituitary removed. It's benign but is really messing with my hormones (it's releasing too much prolactin). I put it off because the medication you take is strong, and I was afraid I would continue drinking while I was taking it (a dangerous combination).

            Now I feel more confident, so I'm going to get it taken care of.

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              LD,

              Do you have IBS? I love Acacia fiber, this product changed my life. Check out HelpForIBS.com I think you will be pleased. Trust me on the acacia...LOVE it.

              Reading your posts, you sound a lot like me. I also have breast cancer in my family but have decided to go back on the progesterone. Alcohol increases estrogen levels and that is why it is linked to an increase in breast cancer. I think I crave the alcohol for this reason....I need the estrogen! I started drinking at about age 41 and it has slowly escalated to be more than I want it to be, I am now 45, will be 46 this month. I totally get where you are coming from.

              I'm sorry about the tumor. One of my kids teachers had one removed and she seemed to do fine with it. She was getting very very crabby before she had it removed and then after the surgery she was the nicest person so I think it does affect your emotions.

              Take Care,

              Myheart
              Patience has its limits. Take it too far, and it's cowardice.
              - George Jackson

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                hmmmm ... this is an interesting thread for me. i'm 41 (should be a ways before menopause) but my periods have gone nutty in the last 6 mos ... cramps start days before the period. period is so heavy it's insane, then lasts waaay too long. i wonder if it's a result of excess estrogen from drinking. or (chicken? egg?) if hormonal changes are what's driving me to drink in the first place. i started losing my 'off switch' about 2 yrs ago.

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                  MyHeartIsDrenchedInWine;203924 wrote: LD,

                  Do you have IBS? I love Acacia fiber, this product changed my life. Check out HelpForIBS.com I think you will be pleased. Trust me on the acacia...LOVE it.

                  Reading your posts, you sound a lot like me. I also have breast cancer in my family but have decided to go back on the progesterone. Alcohol increases estrogen levels and that is why it is linked to an increase in breast cancer. I think I crave the alcohol for this reason....I need the estrogen! I started drinking at about age 41 and it has slowly escalated to be more than I want it to be, I am now 45, will be 46 this month. I totally get where you are coming from.

                  I'm sorry about the tumor. One of my kids teachers had one removed and she seemed to do fine with it. She was getting very very crabby before she had it removed and then after the surgery she was the nicest person so I think it does affect your emotions.

                  Take Care,

                  Myheart
                  Thanks for the tips. Yes, I have been diagnosed with IBS. I've never even heard of Acacia fiber. I'll look it up post haste.

                  You just helped me make a huge connection: My tumor is choking off my estrogen. Alcohol increases estrogen. I bet that is part of the cravings too. Does that make sense? Must do more research. TG for this message board. I've picked up more useful info than I'v ever gotten from a doctor. You guys are the absolute best!!!!

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                    vino_grrl;203927 wrote: hmmmm ... this is an interesting thread for me. i'm 41 (should be a ways before menopause) but my periods have gone nutty in the last 6 mos ... cramps start days before the period. period is so heavy it's insane, then lasts waaay too long. i wonder if it's a result of excess estrogen from drinking. or (chicken? egg?) if hormonal changes are what's driving me to drink in the first place. i started losing my 'off switch' about 2 yrs ago.
                    When I was 39 I went to a specialist and had my hormone levels tested. They told me I was ovulating but technically infertile and had the hormone levels of someone in their 50's. I look young for my age. The Dr's told me they were very surprised, I wasn't.
                    Patience has its limits. Take it too far, and it's cowardice.
                    - George Jackson

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                      vino_grrl;203927 wrote: hmmmm ... this is an interesting thread for me. i'm 41 (should be a ways before menopause) but my periods have gone nutty in the last 6 mos ... cramps start days before the period. period is so heavy it's insane, then lasts waaay too long. i wonder if it's a result of excess estrogen from drinking. or (chicken? egg?) if hormonal changes are what's driving me to drink in the first place. i started losing my 'off switch' about 2 yrs ago.
                      Fortyone isn't necessarily too early to be seeing the first symptoms of perimenopause, or so I've read. And that's what it sounds like you're starting to experience. Do you notice if you drink more heavily than usual before or during your period? Could be a connection. I wish I knew where to go to get more information about a possible link between lack of estrogen and alcohol cravings. I'll see what I can find. No doctor has ever mentioned a link to me, but then they don't mention a lot of stuff.

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                        I am a total PMS drinker and have just recently noticed the connection. 1/2 of the month is great and the other half, I swear I am almost suicidal. This is actually a good observation, I am figuring things out and have decided to up the supplements and add the progesterone during the luteal phase.
                        Patience has its limits. Take it too far, and it's cowardice.
                        - George Jackson

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                          I definitely drink more just before a period. I am 42 now, but have done so for years, or it was years ago that I noticed I did it, possibly I have done it since my teens without noticing, so in my case I don't think it is anything to do with the menopause as my periods are very normal and regular.

                          Also just before a full moon.

                          If there is a month where the two dates coincide it is really a very bad time.

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