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    Bio-identical hormones

    This topic came up in another thread so rather than drag that thread off topic, I'm hoping we can start a discussion here. Over the last several years I think Suzanne Somers has been instrumental in bringing this subject to light.

    I'm no expert, but have done layman's research on the subject, and recently started a course of treatment using natural (not synthetic) hormones with a goal of bringing ALL of my hormones back into balance. My research initially started with concerns about my Thyroid. As I wandered down that path, I learned more about the interdependancy of all the other hormone systems in the body, and the importance of balance.

    Thyroid - lots of people are either incorrectly diagnosed as having "normal" thyroid function when they do NOT have normal thyroid function, or are under treated. The ideas put forth on this web site Stop The Thyroid Madness ? Index Pagehttp://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/wp/wp-admin/page.php?action=edit&post=52 closely mirror the real stories - real humans I have interacted with to learn of their often YEARS of frustration going through many doctors before finally being treated successfully with natural thyroid such as Armour, and in the correct doses. These women get their lives back.

    Further research for myself suggested that other hormones are out of whack - it's that time of life and all. The challenge for me was trying to find doctor who is truly an expert in the field. I think I found her. LOL - my dogs go to a holistic vet. I was familiar with compounded natural hormones as one of our females was treated with them. I asked my vet "who do you recommend for people - someone who is exactly like what you are to animals."

    Currently I'm on Armour thyroid and also a compound of estrogen, and another of progesterone. We are still at the dose adjustment phase, so I will be checking in with the doc every two weeks. Armour needs to be introduces very gradually. The estrogen and progesterone are the correct dose "on paper" but that can go out the window in each individual human body.

    I will be happy to continue posting results if that would be informative for any others here. I'm sure the depression and other symptoms related to the imbalance with my hormones did not help my struggles with AL in any sort of positive way!! Not to mention the out of control weight gain (sorry but I find that totally depressing!!). So I DO think these things are connected - at least mentally if not physically.

    A good start to help find a doctor is this world wide anti-aging network. World Health - Anti-Aging and Longevity - WorldHealth.net My doctor is a member of that organization.

    Good luck!!

    DG
    Sobriety Date = 5/22/08
    Nicotine Free Date = 2/27/07


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    Thanks DG!!

    I am fascinated with this subject, and flabbergasted that most doctors don't even mention this as an alternative! I love my OB-GYN--but he recommended the Mirena IUD and I just don't think that is the best option for a 48 year old female!

    I have a friend that had a hysterectomy and I need to talk to her as she is taking the bioidentical hormones and she's the one that recommended Suzanne's book to me at that time.

    Tough in Texas has also been a wonderful resource on the subject! I will keep checking in for sure :thanks:!
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      LVT25;354114 wrote: Thanks DG!!

      I am fascinated with this subject, and flabbergasted that most doctors don't even mention this as an alternative! I love my OB-GYN--but he recommended the Mirena IUD and I just don't think that is the best option for a 48 year old female!

      I have a friend that had a hysterectomy and I need to talk to her as she is taking the bioidentical hormones and she's the one that recommended Suzanne's book to me at that time.

      Tough in Texas has also been a wonderful resource on the subject! I will keep checking in for sure :thanks:!
      Yes - let's share info. I'd love to hear what your friend who had the hysterectomy says, and I will be off in search of posts from Tough in Texas on the subject. I can't wait to see how I sleep tonight! (LOL - deep appreciation for the small things in life at this stage!!)

      DG
      Sobriety Date = 5/22/08
      Nicotine Free Date = 2/27/07


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        Hi Renegade. That makes sense that tube tying might send the hormones whacky. Glad to hear you are off the AD meds and feeling better. When you say your blood levels are in check, can you share more about what you mean? I'm interested in learning all I can about keeping the body in harmony with itself if that makes any sense!

        Congratulations on losing 10 pounds too. I know being over weight is REALLY a depressing thing for me - even though I try to make the best of it, get over it, blah blah blah.

        I truly believe that my desire to drink will continue to get less and less and I continue to get better and better.

        Tell us more!!

        Oh - on the cost. I'm sure they varies greatly by doctor, by geographic location, etc. I feel so lucky to have found the doc I found. I don't think her prices are unreasonable at all - I was very pleasantly surprised. And the actual medications are NOTHING compared to the prices for patented chemical based stuff. As an example, the estrogren and progesterone creams were $16.00 each for a month supply. And once we are sure we have the dose right, we will switch to an oil rather than cream base, which reduces the price even more.

        I'm also hoping that as I get my body in balance, and also continue with the lifestyle improvements in the diet / exercise department I won't need to be taking some of the supplements I'm taking such as Milk Thistle (we all know what that's for), Cinnamon (blood sugar stabilizer supposedly), chromium (metabolism), etc. There are certainly some that will always stay, but I throw quite a bit of $ at supps each month for stuff in an effort to fix what should not be broken.

        Lots cheaper than booze.

        DG
        Sobriety Date = 5/22/08
        Nicotine Free Date = 2/27/07


        One day at a time.

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          I'm looking into a newer form of sterilization called "Essure implants" They put these "springs " into the opening of the fallopian tubes, and scar tissue grows around them and blocks them off. Non-surgical. Ten years ago, I didn't want to go through a tubal ligation--but now seems this is a good alternative for birth control. Lord knows at 48 I do not want to get pregnant! I'm thinking this shouldn't affect my hormones however--I'm surprised a tubal would.
          I'm planning on discussing the hormone issue with the OB-GYN that I'm seeing next month--would like to at lest get a baseline to see where I'm at.
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            I had a tubal ligation about 5 years ago.. I had no idea it might have any effect on my hormones!
            This is a good thread and I will stay tuned. I will check out the websites DG - Thanks for the links!!

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              For whatever it is worth, I had Essure Implants done about 6 years ago. I am also on Armour thyroid, which is much nicer than Synthroid.
              I like this thread - so I will keep checking for new info.
              Lila

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                Hi Lila,
                I had never even heard of the implants until I started researching on my own. I don't understand why my doctor didn't at least mention it, unless he remembered me telling him 10 years ago I didn't want to lose my fertility. But that can't be right because we even mention hysterectomy as an option if my pap was abnormal.
                Would you might sharing your experience with Essure? You could PM me if you want.
                Thank you SO much!
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                5/4/2010 In loving memory of MaryAnne. I pray you've found peace my friend.
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                  Lila, why and how is Armour "much nicer" than Synthroid? I am on Synthroid and don't feel I am responding well but all the docs seem to swear by synthroid. (In other words, it's all in my head.)
                  Your time is limited, so don't waste it living someone else's life... And most important, have the courage to follow your heart and intuition. They somehow already know what you truly want to become. Everything else is secondary.

                  Steve Jobs, Stanford Commencement Adress, 2005

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                    To answer both questions-
                    I was one of the more early people to get essure implants. I was put under, and just woke up infertile - forever!!!! You can't reverse this procedure, unlike tubal ligation. There was no pain, or anything. I still get periods.
                    About thyroid stuff, my old HMO doctors just looked at my TSH numbers and did not care how I was feeling. I used to get bouts of exhaustion. I asked if they prescribed Armour and it was a flat NO. Then I started going to a natural doctor - he studied under Dr Weil in med school. He doesn't take insurance - this doctor. But he prescribes Armour. The first few weeks on it felt horrible as my body adjusted.
                    I don't get those bouts of exhaustion anymore. They were just awful.
                    I hope that answers any questions.
                    I really should stop eating sugar and white flour. Then I would really have energy.
                    Lila

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                      Great thread - I shall be watching it too! Have been through lots of thyroid - "There's nothing wrong with your TSH (thyroid stimulating hormone) so nowt wrong with you"......Ha. The other thyroid hormones were not there! (T2, T3, T4) Dr. Barry Durrant-Peatfield in the UK is a wow on this.... I didn't get as far as Armour (as he prescribes a lot too) but did well on the adrenal and thyroid 'glandulars' from Nutri in Cambridgeshire, England.

                      Sooooh often, the thyroid will pick up after the adrenals are boosted....a lot of low thyroid is from adrenal exhaustion....and no amount of thyroid supplementation will work if the adrenals aren't addressed as well - in fact, it can make the thyroid worse if the adrenals are ignored! And guess what?......low adrenal reserve leads to alcohol cravings (as alcohol prduces cortisol that the adrenals are seriously lacking in low thyroid) and alcohol in turn leads to adrenal exhaustion......that old vicious circle!

                      Good luck to everyone - underactive thyroid had me feeling more ill than at any time in my life - and I felt AWFUL!
                      Love FMS xx
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                        Ok. Love this thread. Had half my thyroid cut out years ago. On synthroid. Never have thought it worked very well. So much to learn. Have done the saliva thing. Indicates adrenal issues.
                        Will see. Thanks for the info.

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                          Hi all. This is some GREAT info sharing!!

                          beatle I'm not sure if your question was directly answered. Synthroid is synthetic, and Armour is natural (from pigs). That is the big difference. What makes it work differently is that Armour contains all the different forms of Thyroid hormone - T3 and T4 being the biggies, but also T1, T2 and there is another one I can't remember the name of right now. One of the big problems I've read about with Synthroid is that it mainly addresses T4, but if your body is deficient at converting T4 into T3 (the actual active thing) then you are being incorrectly treated. There is a synthetic form of T3 (starts with a "C" - somebody help me out here..) that is sometimes prescribed with Synthroid for a better outcome if T4 -> T3 conversion is an issue.

                          That stop the thyroid madness link I posted up thread might answer a lot more of those questions for you about Synthetics v. Naturals. (Armour is not the only natural one...but it seems to be the best known.)

                          The posters who mention "how you feel" v. blood testing to determine correct doseages echos what my own doctor says. She never relies only on TSH to begin with, but she has patients whose TSH levels are WAY low relative to the "normal" scale, but that's where they feel good so that's the doseage they stay on.

                          FMS - you raise an excellent point about all of the hormone systems and their inter-relationship. I'm glad that all the stuff was tested at once - I've read that too about adrenal fatigue. There is also a tight connection (apparently!) between Thyroid and Cortisol. If one is off the other might be off. Mine are both off. My doc is treating the Thyroid problem first, then we will see what the Cortisol levels do. (she says it would be a crap shoot to try treating both at once) My adrenals were fine, so I don't know what she would have done, in what order if there had been a problem there.

                          I'm feeling really good on the very small dose of Thyroid (she says it's VERY important to titrate up slowly) and also the levels of progesterone and estrogen mix she put me on. (also natural - no synthetics). I feel like my moods are stable and sleep isn't 100% yet, but has been improving at least a little bit. (since my Thyroid dose is so low, I may still have really high Cortisol at night affecting that...)

                          I will be talking to the doc this Thursday for a progress check. Will report more then!

                          DG
                          Sobriety Date = 5/22/08
                          Nicotine Free Date = 2/27/07


                          One day at a time.

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                            Eureka!! thanks so much for this thread. I've been taking Thyroid nascent iodine tincture for quiet a while with good results. I haven't taken it for over 10 days now since everything got stuffed into the car and randomly unstuffed because we still don't know if we're in danger of getting burned out before we all succumb to smoke inhalation!! Anyhow, I spent the weekend depressed, overeating and drinking wine. I found the iodine bottle AND the antabuse container and am back on track as of today. Thanks again. xxx g.

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                              Beatle, not to mention docs get a kickback by prescribing Synthroid and not Armour. It sadly comes down to money making, at least here in the US. I am on levoxyl (generic form of Syntroid) and am thankful it has worked for me so far.
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