The Paleo Diet. Learning from our evolution

[RingingCedars]

The Paleo Diet. Learning from our evolution

yes there is Det. I particularly like how she keeps pointing out that there is likely underlying intestinal issues remaining even if wheat/gluten is taken out of the diet. Hey, I had to put garlic in my ears this week! Oil of course.

[Determinator]

The Paleo Diet. Learning from our evolution

so, how did the witch hunt on saturated fats get started? a quick primer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8WA5wcaHp4[/video]]Big Fat Lies - YouTube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbFQc2kxm9c[/video]]The McGovern Report - YouTube

ever heard of the Womens health Initiative study? I'm guessing not. the largest study of it's kind. 50K+ control population
showing that a low fat diet did not result in weight loss

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjdSOhafGKo&feature=related[/video]]Why Eating a Low Fat Diet Does Not Lead to Weight Loss - YouTube

[Cinders]

The Paleo Diet. Learning from our evolution

Whilst I do not use Wikipedia as a true reference, I looked up the Inuit/Aleutions diet prior to the very (and I mean very) well-meaning, North Americans (ie the Europeans that came here) the Inuit's diet was composed of mostly fat from sea animals. Whales, fish, seals.

The doctor who reported that they could eat that diet and do well was not well received. Go figure.

However, I post this because I recall my older brother talking about what "we" did to them (Inuits) with our concern. We introduced fruits and vegetables. They (the Inuits) suddenly had an explosion of rotten teeth and obesity.

I truly believe that evolution had made their constitutions such that they could live off their land.

I do not think evolution takes millions or even thousands of years for SOME things.

In terms of diet, I believe strongly that those of us who are "mutts" must figure out what works and what doesn't.

I remember my son talking one day about my husband and my daughter. He said "they get hungry and they find food. You and I sit back, smoke and drink." That may be because my husband's ancestry is lower Scotland and mine is upper Scotland. They have resources that mean they can get food. My ancestor's lands are very sparse in terms of food. They needed to do whatever it took to find food.

Anyway, I seldom post on here because I overthink everything. One reason I should never be "in charge."

What I can say and say with conviction, is that what works for one may not work for another. Evolution (which I do believe is God's way of taking care of us) means that we must figure out what is best.

Cindi

Diet

Main article: Inuit diet

The Inuit have traditionally been hunters and fishers. They still hunt whales (esp. bowhead whale), walrus, caribou, seal, polar bears, muskoxen, birds, and at times other less commonly eaten animals such as the Arctic Fox. The typical Inuit diet is high in protein and very high in fat ? in their traditional diets, Inuit consumed an average of 75% of their daily energy intake from fat.[25] While it is not possible to cultivate plants for food in the Arctic, the Inuit have traditionally gathered those that are naturally available. Grasses, tubers, roots, stems, berries, and seaweed (kuanniq or edible seaweed) were collected and preserved depending on the season and the location.[26][27][28][29][30] There is a vast array of different hunting technologies that the Inuit used to gather their food.

In the 1920s anthropologist Vilhjalmur Stefansson lived with and studied a group of Inuit.[31] The study focused on the fact that the Inuit's extremely low-carbohydrate diet had no adverse effects on their health, nor indeed, Stefansson's own health. Stefansson (1946) also observed that the Inuit were able to get the necessary vitamins they needed from their traditional winter diet, which did not contain any plant matter. In particular, he found that adequate vitamin C could be obtained from items in their traditional diet of raw meat such as Ringed Seal liver and whale skin (muktuk). While there was considerable scepticism when he reported these findings, they have been borne out in recent studies.[32]

[Determinator]

The Paleo Diet. Learning from our evolution

Cindi, great post, I only just now found it. when Stefansson returned to Europe the authorities there flat refused to believe his account of what they did/didn't eat as he was in stellar health. he ended up taking part in a controlled test whereby he simulated the Inuit diet in Europe and much to the amazement of the 'authorities' of the time his health was once again fantastic on a super high fat diet completely devoid of any plant material.

some parts of our diet took the millions of years of evolution and will not change quickly, yet other parts do indeed change. evolution is not linear. it's very much like a tree with main branches (dietary archetypes) and then smaller branches and twigs that deviate based on more recent influences.

one thing is for sure: the recent advent of a high grain and high sugar diet is killing millions of humans, sickening hundreds of millions, and we need to educate ourselves.

[Lila]

The Paleo Diet. Learning from our evolution

Cinders,
so proud of you for being AF, and for so long now! I have read so many of your posts, and not responded, but followed, and have worried and hoped for you. Hugs, and cheers (not that kind of cheers, mean cheering you on)
Soooo, are you intrigued by the Paleo thing? What foods are you eating? I just gave up grains, and am eating much more eggs, meat (grass fed) and veggies. I have only lost a little weight, but I know I am doing the nervous eating thing right now, otherwise I think I would be losing. I mean, I am mostly happy with my weight, but want to lose a little bit.
L

[SebastianMacGregor]

The Paleo Diet. Learning from our evolution

I did slow carb and that was a nice transition into Paleo. I found Primal to be a more common sense approach to what is virtually the same diet.

With Primal I agree with their tenets 100 percent. I just dont agree with the whole Grok/Evo thing.
No biggie, 9 out of 10 is close enough to perfect.

Blood type Book, good read too. There is a ton of complimentary/overlap of truth between blood type diet and paleo/primal.

[Lila]

The Paleo Diet. Learning from our evolution

hi Sebastian
i have the book, but what do you mean about the grok/evo thing? just curious!
and about blood type, yes, I am type O, which is very close to Paleo.
what do you do when you miss pasta? If you do miss pasta, as I do?
Lila

[SebastianMacGregor]

The Paleo Diet. Learning from our evolution

Determinator;1175635 wrote: good stuff Cedars. there is definitely a causal relationship between grains and all kinds of systemic irritation. it's becoming clear that it's more than gluten as well which is interesting but not surprising given there are so many complex compounds in grains. Grain-free is certainly looking like a safe bet.

It seems as if I am among like minded individuals :new:

One of the first things I did, months ago, was get off wheat. It made a huge difference in my mental state and in how well I felt physically.

There is scientific proof that the components of wheat cause the blues by inhibiting your seratonin levels via your gut, sometimes referred to as your 2nd brain. There are also experiments that demonstrate how wheat can cause allergic reactions in the brain.

[SebastianMacGregor]

The Paleo Diet. Learning from our evolution

Lila;1184594 wrote: hi Sebastian
i have the book, but what do you mean about the grok/evo thing? just curious!
and about blood type, yes, I am type O, which is very close to Paleo.
what do you do when you miss pasta? If you do miss pasta, as I do?
Lila

I don't want to rock the boat by disagreeing with the status quot but I believe in creation, not evolution. Paleo/Primal base their belief off of "caveman life". I agree with their conclusions but not how they got to those conclusions. Does that answer your question?

I don't know what you know and what you don't so, kind of hard to know where to start.
Primal tenets if your interested = The Primal Blueprint: Healthy Living So Easy A Caveman Can Do It | Matt Gartland


I don't miss pasta, not often. To me thats just your bodies way of trying to get a quick fix of sugar. Don't get me wrong, when I started on this journey I didn't go COLD turkey. I used similar foods to fill in. For instance you can get gluten free pasta. It's not incredible for you but it is a giant step in the right direction.

I did the same with bread. I ate gluten free bread for a while. Or I ate corn tortillas with my food like it was bread. I can't highly recommend corn because 99.9 percent is GMO. But it was a good fix at the time.


-half of your craving is for the sugar. Bread turns into sugar quickly.
-you can take supplements that will fill your nutritional need and in turn making the craving nonexistent. (same goes for alcohol) Orthomolecular medicine is a nice bit of info.
-Have a plan and do it slowly. Any progress is good progress.


Slow carb was great to move me into a Primal way of eating. You might want to check that out. Its not perfect, but it wont give you the insane-o cravings of Atkins, Primal or Paleo.


Something I just want to say, No ONE diet, No One Doctor, No one physician, Scientist is 100 percent right. There are grains of truth in all of it.

[Lila]

The Paleo Diet. Learning from our evolution

okay, I get it!
I have been doing Paleo for a month or so. Always interested in hearing people's Paleo strategies! Yep, craving pasta could equal craving sugar, definately.

[Lila]

The Paleo Diet. Learning from our evolution

To answer my own question... I found spaghetti squash at trader joes!! I will have pasta, hope this is good!

[Determinator]

The Paleo Diet. Learning from our evolution

Lila, sorry I didn't see your question on spaghetti squash. I like it ok but prefer rice pasta if I need a 'pasta fix'. my fav squash is butternut. yummy!

SebastianMacGregor, great to have you aboard! I've posted a lot of links to research since starting this thread, lots of back-reading if you are looking for the cure to insomnia

I found the book 'the Greatest show on Earth' by Richard Dawkins to be immensely informative on the subject of evolution. I'm quite interested in evolutionary biology and ancient anthropology. I'm an info nerd what can I say!

[Determinator]

The Paleo Diet. Learning from our evolution

SebastianMacGregor;1184598 wrote: It seems as if I am among like minded individuals :new:

One of the first things I did, months ago, was get off wheat. It made a huge difference in my mental state and in how well I felt physically.

There is scientific proof that the components of wheat cause the blues by inhibiting your seratonin levels via your gut, sometimes referred to as your 2nd brain. There are also experiments that demonstrate how wheat can cause allergic reactions in the brain.

yes! great stuff and it's commensurate with my research also. I think if we could get our loved ones off of

-wheat (and ideally most grains)
-sugar
-industrial seed oils (corn, vegetable, peanut, safflower, canola, soy, margarine)

that their lives would be immensely improved after only 2 weeks.

best thing we can do is set a good example personally and go from there.

[RingingCedars]

The Paleo Diet. Learning from our evolution

good stuff guys and girls--a combination of quinoa and rice is the best pasta substitute I've come across. Spaghetti Quinoa > Products > Gogo Quinoa

I would call myself a creationist with micro evolution at play

Just finished a webinar about the importance of pH balance. The homeopathic doctor (Janet Neilson) said we should check our pH at least 4 times per day for at least 3 consecutive days. All of our metabolic functions are critically dependent on the proper pH. Ideally we should be in the the range of 7, going above at least once per day to 7.45.

[Determinator]

The Paleo Diet. Learning from our evolution

unfortunately quinoa is not a 'paleo' food due to it's being a harvested seed and the high lectin content. still, I like it and eat it once in a while. especially the black quinoa, it makes for a dramatic presentation.
feedback I've seen is the rice pastas seem to be best tolerated.
interesting update on yam noodles: they are freaking WEIRD! like eating very long stretchy rubber bands.