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    Healing crisis - long term detox?

    Hey everyone...I'm wondering what all of you know about this.

    I was alcohol free for 30 some odd days back in the spring - and for whatever reasons, went back to drinking...I was very achey - and couldn't sleep due to the aches and pains all over my body. Now I've been AF for about 6 weeks and again and having lots of aches and pains...

    Now to me - 6 weeks seems like a long time - LOL! but do you know if this could be from a "healing crisis" or my body still returning to normal? I wake up in the night from the aches...in my hips, armpits and last night even in ONE finger. I would be really worried that something terrible was wrong with me, if I hadn't experienced something similar the last time I quit.

    I am a 47 yr old female, regular drinker since the age of 18 - and escalated to - at times- all day drinking (vodka- just staying "topped off") within the past 5 years...so being AF is a big change.

    I take magnesium malate, vitamin D, B-complex, B-12 sublingual, astaxanthin, vitamin C and krill oil.

    I read this on the internet and while I definitely don't feel good, I don't know if I'm in 'crisis'

    ..."One should expect a healing crisis if major or radical changes are made in lifestyle, habits and addictions, and work through the detoxification process at a slower pace. The body's inherent desire is for perfect health and we each have the ability to make our way back to that state. The body must go through an elimination process in order to achieve good health and there will be ups and downs, as you experience a process called 'retracing'. You may feel worse before you feel better. Symptoms will pass as your body begins to normalize to a new level of health. One does not immediately move into good health or 100% detoxification overnight.

    When a healing crisis occurs, it is the result of all the body systems working together to eliminate toxicity as it prepares to begin regeneration of new tissue and healthy cells and the repair of internal organs. Some people have greater toxicity than others such as those who have taken prescribed medication or street drugs for many years. Long term ingestion of alcohol, junk food and coffee will also create a healing crisis when intake is discontinued, causing temporary discomfort ranging from headaches or migraine, to fatigue, skin rashes, nausea, increased urination, constipation, flu or shaking and diarrhea as the body detoxifies, cleanses, repairs and heals itself. "

    But when it comes to alcohol detox symptoms, most focus on the immediate most dangerous symptoms of alcohol withdrawal while I'm more interested in the lingering changes that might occur.

    I know so many of you here are very knowledgeable in this area.

    If you're still with me - thanks for reading!

    `lola
    ~

    Nobody can go back and start a new beginning, but anyone can start today and make a new ending.

    Sobriety date: Sept 26, 2011

    #2
    Healing crisis - long term detox?

    Hi Lolab--good for you on 6 weeks!

    You've mentioned supplements, but not any pharmaceuticals or diet. I suspect your diet and age is may be resulting in joint pain. Why do you take magnesium "malate"? Also, krill has been over fished and is endangering the diet of dolphins and penguins.(just and aside to motivate you to find a different quality source for your EPA/DHA) I've read a bit about astaxanthin and I have some concerns about the processing and contamination. What is it's source? I think a quality chlorella serves the body better.

    I also suggest you get yourself a quality multi vitamin/mineral as a platform to building your supplement program.

    Also, find some pH strips and start working on getting your body back into balance.
    Psalms 119:45


    ?Start by doing what is necessary, then what is possible, and suddenly you are doing the impossible.?

    St. Francis of Assisi



    I'm not perfect, never will be, but better than I was and not as good as I'm going to be.

    :rays:

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      #3
      Healing crisis - long term detox?

      Hi RC - thanks for the reply and the kind words!

      I was worried about getting too long winded in my post - sorry for the lack of information. :-)

      I have taken levothyroxine for 11 years for hypothyroidism - no other prescription meds. I have it checked regularly and guess it's worth checking again - just odd that the same symptoms popped up each time I quit drinking.

      I actually have been taking mag citrate but just tried a switch to the malate (a supplement called fibralgia - Nature's Sunshine Fibralgia - Fibromyalgia & Muscle Pain - Malic Acid & Magnesium by Natures Sunshine ) in the last couple days. I have a couple family members with fibromyalgia and I was wondering if it might have some kind of play in all of this.

      I didn't know that about krill oil - will look into it. I can probably stop it as I eat chia seeds in my yogurt. I get both the krill oil and astaxanthin from Mercola.com .

      I have pH strips and it is showing slightly acidic and I've been working on that too -trying to eat things to raise my body pH - after all those years of drinking.

      Plus I don't drink soda, only grass fed beef, pastured chicken, local free range eggs, raw milk from a trusted source - an I get my yogurt from her as well. I get as many veggies as I can from our local CSA farm and since winter lasts about 6 months here, I buy organic from the store when I can...I've been eating this way and working out for several years.

      'And I do work out - even when drinking, on the days that didn't drink or before I'd start that day,...I know it sounds pathetic.

      I'm 132 lbs and 5'7" and within my normal BMI. Not menopausal yet.

      Ummm, did I leave anything out? :H
      ~

      Nobody can go back and start a new beginning, but anyone can start today and make a new ending.

      Sobriety date: Sept 26, 2011

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        #4
        Healing crisis - long term detox?

        Well it sounds like you're on the right track with diet, et al. I really can't comment on the medical end accept that I know it's critical that they check for both T3 and T4 activity to make sure conversion is actually taking place.

        I know malate form is used for FibroM, that is why I asked. As for pH being slightly out of balance, if it is consistently slightly out of balance there is a problem and you need to be more pro-active. This is where taking a quality "green drink" really helps. I was just wondering if you're loading up with high carb choices to compensate for the absence of al.

        Chia seeds will not provide the amount of EPA/DHA that fish oils do. By all means take them as they are an excellent source of fibre with the added benefit of other nutrients. Anchovy, sardine and mackerel are considered ecologically friendly sources -- look for one with an IFOS 5 star rating for purity and potency.

        Now--as I said a good multi first, then a good comprehensive calcium supplement, then a good joint formula. Hyaluronic acid is also great support for joints and all tissues.
        Psalms 119:45


        ?Start by doing what is necessary, then what is possible, and suddenly you are doing the impossible.?

        St. Francis of Assisi



        I'm not perfect, never will be, but better than I was and not as good as I'm going to be.

        :rays:

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          #5
          Healing crisis - long term detox?

          ok - taking notes...thank yo so much for the info. And the Chlorella is the "green drink" you're speaking of? I have "liquid chlorophyl" in the refrigerator...is that similar? Liquid Vitamin Supplements | Chlorophyll Liquid (32 oz) | Natures Sunshine Products

          I promise I won't keep bugging you! I don't "think" i'm overdoing the carbs but I will keep an eye on that as well. Are there any other ways that you recommend for increasing pH?
          ~

          Nobody can go back and start a new beginning, but anyone can start today and make a new ending.

          Sobriety date: Sept 26, 2011

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            #6
            Healing crisis - long term detox?

            Lolab - congratulations on 6 weeks AF! It is a long time and I never had 6 weeks without alcohol in my entire adult life until I finally quit.

            I'm also 47 and I don't think we can imagine just how much our poor bodies have to cope with. Mine did it's best processing all the abuse I inflicted on it and then without warning we stop the abuse throwing the body into confusion. I think there will be hundreds of different symptoms while we recover.

            I didn't sleep for about 6 weeks, I also suffered strong odour coming from my body for a few weeks as it detoxed particularly in the gym when I was sweating. One of the biggest issues was the plummeting of my blood pressure and it was so low I suffered terribly from dizziness.

            I believe it takes around 12 months for the body to recover and I am happy to confirm that my blood pressure did eventually right itself without me taking medication which was just a personal choice I made as I prefer holistic healing where possible.

            Keep treating your body well with healthy food and supplements, it needs time to adjust and there is great joy ahead of you when you will feel healthier than you have in your life!
            "In the depths of winter I finally learned there was in me an invincible summer ."
            AF - JAN 1st 2010
            NF - May 1996

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              #7
              Healing crisis - long term detox?

              Hi Lola and Chilli.

              Your chlorophyll would certainly help in alkalizing. I'm not sure how it would compare to chlorella or spirulina tbh. Won't hurt to experiment.

              One of the products I carry combines sodium bicarbonate, spirulina, magnesium carbonate and potassium citrate as a pH balancer. Water with fresh lemon. Most people do get too many carbohydrates/sugars. It seems a lot of people turn to them when they are getting off the booze especially.

              Keep up the good work!
              Psalms 119:45


              ?Start by doing what is necessary, then what is possible, and suddenly you are doing the impossible.?

              St. Francis of Assisi



              I'm not perfect, never will be, but better than I was and not as good as I'm going to be.

              :rays:

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                #8
                Healing crisis - long term detox?

                greetings, holistic friends,

                it sure sounds like you're doing everything you can to detox and get your body what it needs to heal. Mercola, I am very familiar with his site - I am a research nerd and he gives even ME overload sometimes!

                I've been in healing crises before (and before and before - I'm 52) and I hear you - also regarding stress - related to and sometimes catalyst for thyroid problems is adrenal fatigue, something that is getting more widespread with our high-stress lifestyle. I've been working on healing from adrenal fatigue for about a year now -

                getting some bloodwork done can help

                I'm a big advocate of acupuncture - I had liver enzymes out of whack and the dr was ready to do a biopsy when I said, hey wait we've been messing with this for two years...so after six months of vigorous acupuncture, my liver enzymes were back to normal (this was almost 20 years ago - and now I do acupuncture once a month as my insurance allows)

                also you may want to check out something called a Rife Machine. It is a frequency machine. I won't go into it here -there is plenty of info online. Another advantage of the Rife Machine is that it has frequencies for addiction that many have found to be extremely helpful.

                best wishes to you and congratulations for taking excellent steps for your health.
                My Higher Power, my Creator,
                knows infinitely more about my happiness than I do.
                My Higher Power
                has better plans for me than pain and suffering.


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                  #9
                  Healing crisis - long term detox?

                  chill thanks for chiming in. "Keep treating your body well with healthy food and supplements, it needs time to adjust and there is great joy ahead of you when you will feel healthier than you have in your life!" thank you thank you! Affirmations like this keep me going. I'm the same with preferring a natural approach to things...the "there is a medicine that fixes everything" approach scares the hell out of me. And how true...and sad...to never have had 6 weeks AF in our adult lives until now. Thanks for be uplifting post. :-)

                  RC, well it sounds like you're talking about mackerel and sardine supplements - whew! LOL. While I use anchovies occasionally in cooking - the other two are not on my normal meal rotation:H Thanks for all your invaluable help. I will look for chlorella today also - as I don't have a huge amount of the chlorophyl left in the bottle.

                  Chiquita, thanks for all the great info! I have never heard of a rife machine - my goodness there are so many things to consider! I know what you mean about overload!

                  I have been curious about acupuncture also - it's never been something that has been readily available around me - I may have to make an effort to look further into that.

                  I've read about adrenal fatigue - I guess I need to find a more open minded physician...that might be my first step.

                  Thank you all so much for your help. I will be sure to keep you all posted on how things are going.
                  ~

                  Nobody can go back and start a new beginning, but anyone can start today and make a new ending.

                  Sobriety date: Sept 26, 2011

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                    #10
                    Healing crisis - long term detox?

                    lolab;1203806 wrote: RC, well it sounds like you're talking about mackerel and sardine supplements - whew! LOL. While I use anchovies occasionally in cooking - the other two are not on my normal meal rotation:H Thanks for all your invaluable help. I will look for chlorella today also - as I don't have a huge amount of the chlorophyl left in the bottle.

                    I've read about adrenal fatigue - I guess I need to find a more open minded physician...that might be my first step.

                    Thank you all so much for your help. I will be sure to keep you all posted on how things are going.
                    LOL You'd have to eat boat loads of them to get adequate amounts of EPA/DHA and then there would just be too many contaminants for the body to deal with. ChlorellaA is the best if you can get it. They pulverize the "wall" for best absorption.

                    You can certainly take some things that support your adrenals now too. If there is thyroid dysfunction then the adrenals over producing cortisol is likely a problem too.

                    Look for a supplement with Rhodiola, Ashwaganda, Siberian Ginseng, Schisandra, Astragalus and L-Tyrosine.

                    Good luck!
                    Psalms 119:45


                    ?Start by doing what is necessary, then what is possible, and suddenly you are doing the impossible.?

                    St. Francis of Assisi



                    I'm not perfect, never will be, but better than I was and not as good as I'm going to be.

                    :rays:

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                      #11
                      Healing crisis - long term detox?

                      Awesome rc! I'm off to the natural health store to spend my paycheck :-)
                      ~

                      Nobody can go back and start a new beginning, but anyone can start today and make a new ending.

                      Sobriety date: Sept 26, 2011

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                        #12
                        Healing crisis - long term detox?

                        lolab;1203812 wrote: Awesome rc! I'm off to the natural health store to spend my paycheck :-)
                        Ha! Wish you could come to my shop! :goodjob:
                        Psalms 119:45


                        ?Start by doing what is necessary, then what is possible, and suddenly you are doing the impossible.?

                        St. Francis of Assisi



                        I'm not perfect, never will be, but better than I was and not as good as I'm going to be.

                        :rays:

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                          #13
                          Healing crisis - long term detox?

                          RC, maybe you can start up a discount MWO supplements deal on the side!

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                            #14
                            Healing crisis - long term detox?

                            Nice idea Bruun. I am a very small entity without buying power and shipping would be prohibitive in many cases.
                            Psalms 119:45


                            ?Start by doing what is necessary, then what is possible, and suddenly you are doing the impossible.?

                            St. Francis of Assisi



                            I'm not perfect, never will be, but better than I was and not as good as I'm going to be.

                            :rays:

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