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[looking for peace]

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Tinc and chili pepper, just wanted to see how you are doing? Tinc, are you noticing a difference yet? Chilipeper, did you get the books. Keep me posted!

[Spectrum]

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Thanks very much for sharing your experiences.

[COSGringo]

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It sounds promising. About as much reduction as I got from high dose baclofen and I would much rather do that than this baclofen. I need to finish that Alan Carr book. I have started it twice but never finished it. It seems to be telling you what I already know but that doesn't help me. I know I have a problem, I've known it for a long time. I know I want to stop but I don't have the willpower. I've tried AA, counselors, but not rehab. I can't do rehab as I know I would lost my job at some point. I am in decent shape now down to maybe 6 drinks from like 18 but still everyday.

[Chilipepper]

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Well, I gave the program my best "shot." Curtailed my intake drastically after the first week, began an increase of alcohol for about 3 weeks , but not to original level. My goal was (is) absence, but this did not occur for me. From 7 weeks on I slowly increased my alcohol intake to my initial drink of 14 oz. - not good.

Bottom line - I spent over $800.00 for a program that did not work for me. The program claims an 86 percent success rate, so I must be among the 14% failures.

Hey, look I have to be honest - this may be the only positive asset I have. What do you suggest for help from someone who cannot go into rehab.

[COSGringo]

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Thanks for letting us know.

[Another11]

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Just stumbled across this site and thread.

First: thank you Chili', it's great to hear an honest account. I may be arrogant at times, but I know that on this subject at least I can only speak for myself. I am mid-forties, a heavy drinker since my teens; attended 28 day rehabs in 3 different countries, lived in a "sober house" for a while, and have been hospitalized more times than I can count, four occasions in just the last six moths (from failures of at-home efforts to detox.) I think that I have used every commonly known illicit drug, and stopped all (but for alcohol and nicotine) without too much difficulty 15+ years ago. I have been told so many times that my next drink will be my last. On my most recent hospitalization, I was told that the withdrawal I was experiencing would have killed me without intervention. The purpose of this reply is to relate my current situation and the conclusions I draw from it. I have not had a drink for about 5 weeks. About a week ago, my depression (for which I take meds.) got a lot worse and the desire to drink with it. I decided to take Antabuse again as a safeguard. It works (see Post script). The problem is that I don't want to take it, i.e. I want to drink. If I do, the very best outcome is the insane agony of withdrawal. Yet, I feel as conflicted looking at the medicine bottle as I do looking at a bottle of liquor, the worst... The conclusion: My alcoholism is a symptom (that then became its own problem). When I am not chemically dependent, as is the case now, it is a mental problem and there is a degree of choice (a decision) involved. The problem, that is perhaps peculiar to depression, is that it is an ailment from which you don't want to be cured - you don't want anything good. So for me (cannot be stressed enough), while I have to fight alcoholism in the here and now, and today's abstinence is an absolute necessity, the "cure" lies in fixing my mental condition. I can't offer advice, but surely there are others out there who use alcohol as a means of relief. From? Perhaps if we can treat that pain, we will be much aided in our struggle with substance abuse. Best wishes to all.

P.S. My experience and research of Antabuse suggests that it does all that is claimed. Why do people who have been prescribed Antabuse drink again? Because, they chose not to take it!

[Chilipepper]

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Wow, Another
Your story and mine have similarities and differences too. I believe your situation is worse in a few ways. I've never been in rehab but have been in the emergency department back in my early days of alcoholism. The reason for this is because I didn't know I was in withdrawal, but rather thought I was having a heart attack or stroke. I lied and said the most I drank was 3 or 4 per day. I was embarrassed by my drinking and didn't even want medical professionals to know. Stupid on my part, but typical of me, nonetheless.

I now go to an addiction specialist and lie to him too. I tell him that Xanax is the only med that relieves my anxiety and keeps me from drinking, when in reality that 1 mg. Extended release is the only thing that keeps me functional in the day before I hit the bottle hard at night. My blood pressure becomes dangerously high in the morning, and sometimes I just don't want to go to work, but do out of sense of duty.

Also, I'm older at 54, but didn't start drinking heavily until 35. Everything in my body is at dangerously high levels. I need to stop, gotta stop, but don't know what to do. My life, and I'm sure yours, depends upon it. I can't go to a rehab or let my problem become public because of my job and personal humility. There is no doubt that my problem is due to high anxiety that was a childhood characteristic that went onward.

Please, suggestions? Maybe this should be in the need help now category?

[Another11]

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Suggestions?

First off, how does one do private messages? Even though people are said to be anonymous here, I don't want to get personal on a thread. All those reading this have probably heard the much used catch phrases; you have to do it for yourself, you need to hit rock bottom before you can begin to get better, etc., etc. Again speaking for myself, I passed through and much below what I once thought was rock bottom, and you really shouldn't have to lose everything before you decide to get better. I guess that they are trying to say that you need to be completely humbled. When we fill ourselves with drugs of any sort, it massively distorts thinking and feeling. Sustained alcoholism leads to chemical changes in the brain that can take 18 months or more to correct. For me, not being completely honest with medical professionals seems to be very counterproductive, Although unpleasant, fairly immediate sobriety is relatively easy to attain. Take a week's vacation and check in for a detox program of 3, 5, or maybe 7 days. You will then be clean 3, 5 or 7 days: it IS as simple as that. The less simple is what prevents you from returning to the bottle. There are many sources of help, some great, some less so; and all doomed to failure without your conviction. That is the foundation of any recovery.

Anyone on these threads wants to talk to someone about their problem, even if they can't bear the idea of AA. Hide the issue from work, family, friends as you see fit; but confide in someone. By the way, few of us are as good at hiding as we seem to believe.

Again, for me, I know that I shall never beat this unless I am truly (operative word) dedicated to doing so. Having the will does not guarantee success - it is incredibly hard, but I am confident that no pill, therapy, or other treatment has any hope without my commitment. Willing to chat in private, and wishing all the very best. Yet - Another.

[jamesspeaks]

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hey everyone

im trying to find reviews on this last call program thing. it seems promising and almost to good to be true. the problem is i cant find any credible websites with reviews about this program!!!! a lil wierd it costs $800 but yet has no credible reviews. when i google reviews for this program it refers you to a page that either sells the product or to some sponsered page by prweb.com. after researching prweb, its a company thats used to promote your business!!!! you pay to put your advertising or reviews on there. so this really is no way of knowing if this is a real review. so im on this site now (mywayout.org), and even though "chilipepper" sounds convincing at the begining of his posts, he starts to sound like its paid for. i mean, really, who uses the word "smackaroos" in different posts. who uses that word to begin with? using it two or three times in different posts, sounds really suspect. why cant i find any real reviews like on yahoo, google, yelp, etc.... all the reviews are on sites ive never heard of.. if anyone really has some good stuff to share about this program, please respond. i am interested in purchasing this and if it does what is says it can, i will drop $800 on it without any remorse. but really, what is the real on this?? im not about to just hand someone $800 cause they say it works.

[AL Fiend]

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Jamespeaks, maybe you missed this post found on the previous page.

Chilipepper;1321958 wrote: Well, I gave the program my best "shot." Curtailed my intake drastically after the first week, began an increase of alcohol for about 3 weeks , but not to original level. My goal was (is) absence, but this did not occur for me. From 7 weeks on I slowly increased my alcohol intake to my initial drink of 14 oz. - not good.

Bottom line - I spent over $800.00 for a program that did not work for me. The program claims an 86 percent success rate, so I must be among the 14% failures.

Hey, look I have to be honest - this may be the only positive asset I have. What do you suggest for help from someone who cannot go into rehab.

[1week a year binger]

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did you ever try the kudzu extracts sold in good health food stores?Really curious acoording to the only science I have found so far which has been on miice it worked great for them.just plain old diadzin.The most interesting part of the abstact I read was that even though the critters continued to drink huge amounts of alcohol their withdrawal symptoms disappeared.

[longhauler64]

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I understand about your humility. Have you thought about narcotics anonymous? I am an old junk yard dog and went there for 5 years. Got me a sponsor, worked the steps, which really helped me....because I then was able to figure out what the hell was triggering all my drugs and drinking! I was able to grow up emotionally. With NA I was able to listen to other people that had the same problem as me or worse...the meetings are private and no one is let in unless you are a user. what gets said in there stays in there. It is not easy to quit. :new:

Chilipepper;1325828 wrote: Wow, Another
Your story and mine have similarities and differences too. I believe your situation is worse in a few ways. I've never been in rehab but have been in the emergency department back in my early days of alcoholism. The reason for this is because I didn't know I was in withdrawal, but rather thought I was having a heart attack or stroke. I lied and said the most I drank was 3 or 4 per day. I was embarrassed by my drinking and didn't even want medical professionals to know. Stupid on my part, but typical of me, nonetheless.

I now go to an addiction specialist and lie to him too. I tell him that Xanax is the only med that relieves my anxiety and keeps me from drinking, when in reality that 1 mg. Extended release is the only thing that keeps me functional in the day before I hit the bottle hard at night. My blood pressure becomes dangerously high in the morning, and sometimes I just don't want to go to work, but do out of sense of duty.

Also, I'm older at 54, but didn't start drinking heavily until 35. Everything in my body is at dangerously high levels. I need to stop, gotta stop, but don't know what to do. My life, and I'm sure yours, depends upon it. I can't go to a rehab or let my problem become public because of my job and personal humility. There is no doubt that my problem is due to high anxiety that was a childhood characteristic that went onward.

Please, suggestions? Maybe this should be in the need help now category?

[COSGringo]

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Kudzu. Meh. I tried lots of flavors of it. Glutamine, lots of flavors of it. Mega doses even.

Lots of multi vitamins. I still take those figuring it can't hurt but well maybe they can.

Scientists don't know, why should we? Margarine was good, now it's bad. It's always something.

Eat right, exercise, be a productive individual, all that good stuff. Easier said then done mostly though.

Tough it out and it will come together, I think/hope.

[jmorris735]

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Kudzu root

I found this site while researching the sobrexa option, and I am feeling a bit successful by just using the kudzu root twice a day sometimes three times. I found them on ebay cause I live in a small town with no health food stores. My hangover feelings are gone, I don't feel the urge to drink as much and I feel the effects quicker, there by reducing my urge to drink. I hope this helps. I am no longer an every day drinker, I quit all by myself several years ago. I would like to be down to like a once a week drinker but able to enjoy a glass of wine with dinner or something. And eventually would like to just be completely free from alcohol but I know this all happens with baby steps for me. Any ideas?? AA is not my thing, my doctor says I don't drink enough to warrant medication, been through treatment twice successfully, and just can't seem to not want to go out and have a good time while getting drunk.:new:

[Blossom Will]

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I ordered it last week and can hardly wait to start. I am
Happy to read your testimony. I am willing to spend that sort of money on something natural that inhibits desire or craving to drink. I probably spent way more on booze and wine. It's an investment in long term health and peace of mind, and it's cheaper than rehab which has poor outcomes. I am going to combine this 8 week program with hypnotherapy. I feel empowered that I am creating my own program. AA has not been the way for me.
Thanks for your posts!