Sobrexa - Daidzin

[lostsole]

Sobrexa - Daidzin

What I hate about these forums is that if you Google some keywords you can pull up these threads.

That's kind of scary.

Good luck on the hypnotherapy. I spent a lot on it. I would go to a session and pick up a bottle of vodka on the way home. I think with the right combo and the right frame of mind though different things work for different people.

I hear you on the AA. I could could never seem to fit in. I tried other groups, too. Some were filled with doctors that were just all pissed they had to go to the sessions like they were above it.

[Chilipepper]

Sobrexa - Daidzin

No more Sobrexa!

The company offering Sobrexa is evidently out of business. Their site domains drinklessnow.com and thelastcallprogram.com no longer seems to be working. The promises of this kudzu/daidzin product evidently were just empty and couldn't sell.

[WinstonWolf]

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Chilipepper;1434036 wrote: The company offering Sobrexa is evidently out of business. Their site domains drinklessnow.com and thelastcallprogram.com no longer seems to be working. The promises of this kudzu/daidzin product evidently were just empty and couldn't sell.

Incorrect. Their website was simply down for maintenance. It has since relaunched and is much improved.

Based partially on the comments from this thread, and additional research I did into kudzu, I decided to order Sobrexa. At $700, it's definitely not cheap.

Anyway, I will post updates to this thread on my progress through the program for anyone else like me who Googles Sobrexa, since this is the 2nd link that comes up.

I'm a 37 year old single white male. I've been drinking since about 18 years old. In my early 20s, I would drink 6-10 beers every night after work. It has progressed to my current level of consumption, which I've calculated averages about 12-15 oz. of 80 proof vodka per worknight, or roughly 1/2 to 2/3 of a fifth. On Friday/Saturday evenings, it's closer to a full bottle, and then drops back down to the worknight average on Sunday, as I don't want to be hung over at work.

At that consumption rate, I don't feel great in the morning, but I feel OK. I never get super drunk anymore. Always get tired or hungry before that happens. At work the next day I feel just fine after a cup of coffee.

The problem is a lack of exercise, a lot of extra calories from alcohol, and genetics that lean toward weight retention has resulted in me weighing currently 385 lbs. and being severely out of shape, and I think the biggest factor in that is the daily drinking in the evenings, followed by dinner and then bed.

I don't drink because of stress, or even because I feel cravings for it. I do it out of habit and boredom. The most fun thing for me to do after work is get my buzz on, and play video games. It's not even a social thing, I usually play by myself except on Friday evenings.

So there's my situation in a nutshell. I started Sobrexa last night. You have to take it 6 times/day for the first week. I feel good today, a little different. They tell you not to try to severely limit your alcohol intake right away, but to let the Sobrexa do its thing and your intake should gradually reduce naturally as you no longer want it, but that there should be a significant noticeable reduction within the first two weeks.

They also give you another supplemental herb called Kalamaro, which has a calming effect and can be used for withdrawal symptoms or when you would normally especially desire drinks, such as going to a bar/party. It definitely has a calming effect, comparable to my Xanax prescription. I also use Ambien to get a decent night's sleep after drinking (otherwise you tend to wake up after a few hours and have trouble staying asleep).

So I will periodically post updates on my progress in here with the Sobrexa, good or bad. Mostly as another story to help other people evaluate whether to drop $700 for this stuff.

[WinstonWolf]

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Day 1
I actually started with 3 doses the previous evening when I got the shipment, but today is a Friday evening and I've just finished my 10th shot, which is my average cutoff point for a week night. I'm going to switch to beer and keep on drinking, but I just wanted to note that today there was no feeling of rushing to start the drinking as soon as I got home (which is the usual), although this may be because I started exercising first, immediately after getting home. But anyway, as I hit 10 drinks, I don't feel as intoxicated as I normally would. I could probably play sober very easily because I feel close to it, just moderately relaxed. The alcohol is not affecting me as powerfully already. I can see why this works; it reduces the dopamine (high) response. Over a few weeks, that will reduce the strength of the 'reward' part of the habit, thus reducing the strength of the driving force of the habit.

[Cinders]

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Winston,

:welcome: I hope the Sobrexa works for you. Let us know.

Kudzu didn't help me a bit but I never tried the Sobrexa, which is an extract, yes?

If it doesn't work, let us know that, also.

It is good to share all quit/cut down experiences whether good or bad to help the community at large.

Cindi

[WinstonWolf]

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Thank you Cinders!
Yeah I had tried kudzu before as well, with no results. I suspect there's no way to tell if you're getting enough of the effective ingredient(s) with just a standard kudzu supplement. And yes, Sobrexa is a highly-concentrated extract of kudzu, primarily the diadzin chemical in it, as well as a concoction of a bunch of other herbs. They list them on the bottle as: "Proprietary blend of herbal extracts 59ml: Gentianae Radix, Bupleuri Radix, Alismatis Rhizoma, Plantaginis Semen, Akebiae Trifoliate Caulis, Rehmanniae Radix Exsiccata Seu Recens, Angelicae Sinensis Radix, Glycyrrhizae Radix, Pueraria Flos, Puerariae Radix, Citri Reticulatae Folium, Citri Reticulatae Pericarpium Viride"

Last night I got tired of drinking and stopped at 15 drinks, which is less than a typical Saturday night's worth of consumption. I also noticed that around 8 drinks, which is roughly when I usually start feeling good, there was no dopamine response in the brain, I just felt more relaxed. I am planning on drinking this evening, and we will see how close I end up (over/under) to my average without trying to suppress it at all. I'm tracking this all on a Google Docs spreadsheet, which I will post the link to after I get 1 week of data.

[Chilipepper]

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Well, Winston, you're correct. The Sobrexa site is back up and running in a new format. However, I'm a little confused. There seems to be a competing product called declinol at declinol.com. There's something about the Sobrexa site (drinklessnow.com) and declinol.com that seem eerily similar. Makes me wonder if they are the same company, but that may be beside the point. Both promote daidzin as their active ingredient and are delivered in a liquid format. They both have eight week programs with an exercise and diet program. Sobrexa uses dropper bottles for oral delivery while Declinol uses liquid packets. Both front load the product at double doses for the first week of the program. Price is about the same for both programs.

I'm almost tempted to try the program again. I did see a tremendous drop in my alcohol consumption during the first week while double dosing. It was after the first week, when the dosage drops to half, that my drinking began to slowly creep back up to previous levels.

However, this may mean that I'll have to dig down and buy two programs! Gulp!

[WinstonWolf]

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Day 6

Last night I was down to 8 oz of vodka (from the average of 12-15), and I definitely did not want any more.
I've been taking the sobrexa faithfully at timed intervals 6x/day since I got it.
However, at the same time I also started exercising immediately when I get home from work (about 6pm) instead of going straight to the drinking. I feel like this has helped to sort of overwrite the habit as well, and to be honest I'm not sure which is helping more... but what I do know is that it definitely seems to be working so far.
Although, I remember Chilipepper saying the same thing, and then his consumption started to go back up after the first 'front loaded' week of 6x/day doses drops to 3x/day the second week. So we will see.
I will continue to update this periodically.

[Cinders]

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Thanks, Winston. I will be curious to see if your consumption increases as Chili's did.

That would be good to know.

Cindi

[Hippyman]

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Chilipepper;1321958 wrote: Well, I gave the program my best "shot." Curtailed my intake drastically after the first week, began an increase of alcohol for about 3 weeks , but not to original level. My goal was (is) absence, but this did not occur for me. From 7 weeks on I slowly increased my alcohol intake to my initial drink of 14 oz. - not good.

Bottom line - I spent over $800.00 for a program that did not work for me. The program claims an 86 percent success rate, so I must be among the 14% failures.

Hey, look I have to be honest - this may be the only positive asset I have. What do you suggest for help from someone who cannot go into rehab.

I would suggest your read Dr. Aimesen's 2 books about baclofen. The first one is called "End of my Addiction" and the last one is "Heal Thy Self". You can also find out lots in the meds. section of this site. Best of LUCK! There is hope. If I can do it, so can you. I know you can!

[ngg]

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Winston..just wanted to encourage you in your quest for sobriety and to continue your reports. I have my doubts about the program, based on Chilli's recent comments and experience. That said, I just launched into kudzu myself, plus glut...which does seem to help me from time to time. Good luck!

[WinstonWolf]

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Day 12
Almost finished with the second week, and as predicted in the Sobrexa welcome guide- my drinking is significantly decreased. I used to get home from work and pound 10-15 shots of hard liquor over an hour or two while playing video games or watching TV.

Now I get home from work, exercise for 30-45 minutes, and then have about 4 shots' worth in a martini which I sip slowly. Then I'll have a beer or two. And I could easily see myself doing less than that. I'm lowering it gradually just a little bit each day.

I predict by the time I'm done with my Sobrexa program, my daily habit will be to continue to exercise every day after work (non-negotiable), and then either have a beer or two, or a glass of wine or two, and not every day. (AKA normal acceptable drinking range) and just fine with that. Which is what Sobrexa claims to do - reset your drinking to the normal person range and allow you the control to keep it there or discard it completely. So far so good.

I'm still logging drinks every day on a spreadsheet. One of these days maybe next week or so I'll add some graphs to it and link to it on here.

[WinstonWolf]

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Day 18
Like Chilipepper, my intake slowly crept back up after the first week of double doses.
What I need to do is find a hobby or something that can take the place of video games or watching TV (which are both triggers for the consumption habit). I think I'm going to make a push to start doing something else other than those two... anything else... and at the same time go back to double dosage. Otherwise this is going to fail just like Chilipepper did, and I'll be out $700. I think the key is using the window of efficacy to change the entire behavior pattern; replacing the triggers with new activities. If I can find something that really lights my fire, I can win this.

[Chilipepper]

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Winston,
What is your latest update on the Sobrexa product? Haven't heard from you in several days.

[WinstonWolf]

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Still using the Sobrexa and seeing results, although I had to bump the dosage back up to 5/day after my usage started to creep back up again (similar to Chilipepper's experience).

However, after bumping it back up to 5/day, my usage plummeted down to the 1-4 drinks/night average where it's currently at. But I don't think we can credit the Sobrexa entirely. I think the Sobrexa weakens the physical addiction, kind of like loosening your handcuffs. It's not going to completely dissolve the handcuffs on its own, but it can give you the edge you need to do it.

In my case, I identified the habit triggers, and am restructuring my habits. My old habit was to arrive home from work and immediately start drinking heavily and playing video games. I forced myself to exercise first for a few weeks until that became a habit, and then last weekend, I uninstalled the video games that were a huge trigger for drinking. Now instead I just watch TV and have 1-3 drinks while dinner is cooking. I notice that I now can definitely feel the effects of 3 drinks, whereas before I would get about 5 drinks in before even feeling anything, so tolerance levels have decreased significantly.

The next point is within a week I am going to do a juice fast in order to drop some weight, and will be cutting off the alcohol completely during that time. I am trying to get my consumption as low as possible this week as part of the weaning process. I will have xanax and Kalmaro on hand to assist during that, as well as some alcohol left on hand in case withdrawals are more severe than anticipated.

Will update further during or after the cutoff. Hope this is helpful to someone else