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    #31
    Gardening

    Diz! What a great thread and glad I finally made it here (thanks for the link – I’m a lazy bugger at moments looking for things!)

    Yep – I grow a pretty good sized organic garden I started almost 13 years ago when I first bought my house. Now all I need is a husband and about 5 kids to eat everything I grow! HA! Come mid-summer my neighbors will no longer make eye contact and are whispering “don’t look at her – she’ll try and give you more vegetables!” J/K They love that I share and the gang at my shop love it when I bring stuff in for them as well.

    Ah worms – Fun to raise but I did the same thing Diz did one year and neglected them and had worm kripsies. They are REALLY easy to raise and maintain if you use one of the premade “bin type systems” which I recommend as they save much work and the benefits are huge. No critters to get in and I have at times even had mine in my “tool room” in my house.

    Basically what you are getting is “worm castings” or in other words worm poop. HA! It’s like a gardener’s GOLD and just about the only fertilizer I use when I have worms. It has no scent and is like deep rich compost to mix into your soil. You also collect in a container that drains below, a “tea” which runs off from the moisture in the system that you dilute as a fertilizer.

    What you do in these “systems” is start in one bin (either top or side – I used the side by side system) and start with a good medium. I liked to use cocoa brick which is this light fiber type brick stuff that you soak in water (can buy online) and spread out on the bottom few inches. Add worms (Red Wranglers as they like to stay confined) and a bit of food which is just about ANYTHING (except meat and dairy). Then take shredded newspaper, soak it in some water and cover the worms. That’s it! They will eat the food and then the newspaper. As you see the newspaper almost gone – repeat. Slowly with each layer, as they eat and poop casings, the bin will fill up. Once full, stop feeding for just a short time and you set up the next bin the same way, open the “chamber door” so they can travel to the new bin and start feeding in that one and they will migrate to the new bin. It will take a few days or week. You now have a full bin of worm casing to use in your garden! They are a fortune to buy! Here in the US a 10 pound bag is $23!

    What to feed them? ANYTHING! I keep a bowl of “scrapes” in my frig of veggie peelings when cooking, egg shells, coffee grounds, etc. Just NO dairy or meat. I find that they eat faster if you chop things up a bit or put it in your Cuisinart. Don’t be grossed out – but I also empty my vacuum cleaner bag into the bin. HA! If I am going on vacation I also give them the entire Sunday newspaper shredded up.

    Good grief – Diz, you got me chatting on and on about worms! I think my guilt is coming out!

    Hey Cinders – If you have a strawberry patch that the birds are getting to before you can the berries to your cereal bowl, they make very inexpensive “bird netting” you can cover your plants with. Easy if they are in a raised bed, but if not just use some sticks or posts along the way to raise it up. It comes in a roll of different widths and you just cut it to size with scissors. I have mine in a raised bed because they tend to take over my entire garden to I keep them contained easier that way and just use coat “giant prongs” I made front metal coat hangers pushed into the ground around the bed to secure it and yet lift the cover to harvest.

    Space – Your container project sounds lovely! Just be sure to buy POTTING soil and not garden soil (if possible). Potting soil will help hold the moisture in the pots better, as they tend to dry out faster than plants in the ground. We need pics!

    I’ve finally gotten my garden semi back on track after a very late start for this climate. I grow a lot of heirloom tomatoes so they are finally in as well as my odd varieties of cucumbers (lemon and Japanese) and a few squash and herbs.

    Blondie – CUTE picture of the pup! I had a Golden that thought my tomatoes were her balls to play with – hence my veggie garden is now fully “white picket” fenced in.

    Does anyone have any brainstorm of gophers???? They are killing me again this year! My beds are all raised and have hardware cloth underneath, so they can’t get my plants – but they make such a mess trying and I end up with mounds of soil (and my GOOD soil) all around the outside of my beds as they tunnel. I’ve tried the gum trick, water, organic granules, castor oil, swearing at them, solar vibration sticks, blah, blah, blah …nothing seems to work! I won’t use baits or poison as I believe it just creates a nasty chain of events – dead gopher, birds eat it (I have hawks), coyotes or bob cat or mountain lion eats dead bird, etc . Yes – I live a bit in the boons. HA!

    Well, that’s all for now – work beacons once again!

    WTE

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      #32
      Gardening

      Does anyone have any brainstorm of gophers???? They are killing me again this year! My beds are all raised and have hardware cloth underneath, so they can?t get my plants ? but they make such a mess trying and I end up with mounds of soil (and my GOOD soil) all around the outside of my beds as they tunnel. I?ve tried the gum trick, water, organic granules, castor oil, swearing at them, solar vibration sticks, blah, blah, blah ?nothing seems to work! I won?t use baits or poison as I believe it just creates a nasty chain of events ? dead gopher, birds eat it (I have hawks), coyotes or bob cat or mountain lion eats dead bird, etc . Yes ? I live a bit in the boons. HA!
      WTE,

      I, too, live in the boons. We have either gophers or moles that tunnel and eat roots of bushes, plants, etc.

      Like you, hubby and I don't want to use bait, besides there are too many around, it would become a toxic wasteland. I don't like the trap idea either.

      I read somewhere that the best way to deal with them is to drive them deeper and that is what we do.

      We have a roller we fill with water and we just squash the tunnels down. Over time, apparently, the little guys just dig deeper in and the tunnels are no longer visible above ground.

      It takes a while but it seems to work.

      Cindi
      AF April 9, 2016

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        #33
        Gardening

        Yay! A Gardening thread!

        Since I'm in the bloody freezing north, gardening season is still a good month off here but I can now enjoy all of your garden adventures!

        Love the tomato testing pooch and way too comfy in the flower pot kitty! I used to blame the raccoons for stealing all my 'good' strawberries until I caught my Eskie stretched out in the sun in front of the strawberry bed, with his head slightly tilted... taking this one.. then that one.. :H

        Froglet... as for clematis... they actually come in very different varieties. Some can be pruned in the spring, some in the fall. I've never heard of dead heading them, though. Check this out:
        Clematis Classic Climbers : Pruning your Clematis
        Okay, WHO put a stop payment on my reality check?

        Winning since October 24th, 2013

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          #34
          Gardening

          Cinders, what is this roller thingie and does it work in lawns?

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            #35
            Gardening

            Brun,

            It is for seeding lawns to push the seed down into the soil so it doesn't just float away after sowing. It is a cylinder with a water filler and a handle that you pull or push to roll.

            We use the riding lawn mower to pull it but I have done it by hand in areas where we need to finish mow.

            I believe you can get them at most lawn supply stores.

            Remember to empty it at the end of the season or it will split. :-)

            Cindi
            AF April 9, 2016

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              #36
              Gardening

              LVT, at least we are on the same page. You can keep the worms outside in the shade, in the basement or shed. They don't really smell as long as you make sure to feed them small kitchen scraps. Their 'castings' smell like compost but if you are going to toss whole rotten tomatoes in there, it is still going to smell as they can only eat so fast.

              Wow, WTE
              , you actually taught me a lot about worm farms. Perhaps I do feed the buggers too much. Although I'm not so sure about the vacuum cleaner thing...

              We don't have gophers here, just moles but I found this link to be quite interesting:

              How to Get Rid of Gophers and Moles : Outdoors : Home & Garden Television

              From moles I learnt that because they can't see that well and they live underground their sense of smell is hightened so they hate stuff that smell bad. I've heard of people who toss dog poop into the holes and cover it up.

              Damn, from what you told me I wish you were my neighbour. And I wish Lavanda lived on the other side. Between the two of you I wouldn't even have to grow any of my own veggies

              Am glad you like the thread, Sunshine.

              Frigsticks, the damn ginger cat just dragged a mouse into my bedroom. And no I won't be posting a pic of that tomorrow! Let me go see if I can still save the poor soul.

              :flower:

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                #37
                Gardening

                Cinder: Love the idea of the roller, but my garden sounds a bit smaller than yours and is a maze of raised beds in different shapes so I could never get one around them - besides trying to drag one around myself at 117 pounds! HA! Back to the drawing board ...

                Hey Diz! Be thankful you don't have gophers! And how to tell if you have gophers or moles: When they "pop up" gophers create a full circle of soil around the hole - a mole only a half circle. I have no clue why that is important unless you are using bait or something - but I thought it was interesting...

                Sunshine - Is Eskie a dog or a cat eating your strawberries ??? Either way - a funny image!!

                One year I was finding split open watermelons all over my property. I have two acres that are one 3 "levels" with stone steps that go down from my garden area to the orchid. Most of them were there - totally cleaned out with little nail scraping marks. Whatever it was, possum or raccoon, they discovered they could roll the melons ( some would grow and wander outside of the garden fence) down the steps and they would crack open and voila! I now intentionally plant a few extra seeds outside the fence just for them just because it makes me giggle.

                In general, because I garden 100% organic with my veggies and that can be a challenge at times, I count on losing a portion of everything to ”something” each season. And certain crops I have just given upon as they just become too much work and expensive to try and grow naturally without getting over run by critters – like anything in the cabbage family.

                And does it not piss you off just a bit to buy organic cantaloupe seeds, lovingly pot them and nurture them until they are ready to be put in the ground, trim off excess blooms for just the right amount of fruit and perfect fruit turning them weekly for even sweetest, fertilizing them, watering them and then JUST as they are about to be harvested - they are on sale at the farmers market for 10 cents a pound??? HA!

                Oh, funny side not on cantaloupes. I had the WORST tasting cantaloupes one year. Couldn’t figure it out. Then realized I had planted my cucumbers just a touch too close in a raised bed two over and they cross pollenated. YUCK! Never plant those two anywhere near each other.

                Happy gardening everyone ! And Happy May Day!

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                  #38
                  Gardening

                  :H Raccoons rolling watermelons is kind of a funny image!

                  Waiting, an Eskie is an American Eskimo, aka German Spitz (had his name changed after WW2, to be politically correct). This was my boy Codi:



                  He also devoured black berries. They were thorny as heck but he put his teeth over the stem and just pulled back... getting nothing but a snout full of berries. He was a smart little bugger... been gone for 6 years now but I still miss him.

                  I can't wait to start a 'real' veggie garden again! Because we quite literally live in the woods, there isn't enough sunlight around the house. However, now that the barn is mostly done, I will put a veggie garden out there. Yay! Good to know about cantaloupes and cucumbers. Love both, but not together, I guess
                  Okay, WHO put a stop payment on my reality check?

                  Winning since October 24th, 2013

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                    #39
                    Gardening

                    Hi All,
                    Well, Dizz, this is a very fun thread, thank you, I was not in favor of starting a new Topa thread, but this one is very nice, so nice to think and talk about something other than drinking.

                    Regarding the worm farming, when I was growing up my family relied on fish that my father and grandfather caught. This was in the midwest, so the fish were mainly catfish and sunfish, catfish were big and fat and provided alot of meals, sunfish were small and just tasted really good. So, my father raised his own worms for "bait", nothing to do with gardening, just to catch fish. So, in one area of the backyard, my parents dug up the ground a bit and put in all of our leftover food scraps, they just dug it into the soil, every day, or whenever, they also covered it with leaves. So, this became a thriving worm garden, they didn't put worms in there, the worms just came, nothing else was needed, nothing bothered them, whenever they went out fishing they just dug up a little bit of soil and there they had a hundred worms, it was very fascinating as a child.

                    Ok, that's my take on worm farming.

                    Love, Hugs and Joy to Each of You,
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                      #40
                      Gardening

                      Just found this thread! :thanks:

                      We don't have much room but we have planted:
                      Cucumbers (never knew about planting them too close to cantaloupes)
                      Onions
                      Tomatoes
                      Jalapenos
                      Serrano Chilies
                      Oh - and our radishes (2nd bath of the season are ready again)

                      Love being able to go out in the garden and grab a veggie to use in dinner
                      "Only I can change my life. No one can do it for me.".....Carol Burnett
                      ..........
                      AF - 7-27-15

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                        #41
                        Gardening

                        Glad you guys like the thread. I love gardening but am a bit of a lazy gardener, my brother who I share with is not into gardening and our garden has very hard clay soil. If I stay on here, my new work project should allow me to get the help of a gardener to come help me with some of the more demanding tasks. Don't get me wrong, I like using gardening as exercise but some of these beds are so hard you can only open them up with a pick axe!

                        However, once I have created a bit more order, I will send you a pic of my 'office' my desk is next to these two huge glass doors that overlook the garden. Pretty soon, because of the rain. In fact here in Cape Town they spread all over the road and the government had to put up legislation to make them illegal to sell so as to protect the natural beauty.



                        This is not my garden.

                        I love hearing your write about gardening WTE, its like getting to know a whole new side of you. So, are you going to get new wormies? How often do you feed your worms and do you ever interfere with them to allow some 'air' in? Some people say you have to lift them up a bit every month or so to ensure that there is some oxygen in there. It’s obviously not a fun task and some babies get killed in the process...

                        Sunshine, I also had to google what an Eskie is. Very cute! I think the sharing ideas and pics part is my favourite part of the gardening thread. I'm always reading ahead a bit in my brain and then laughing before I finish the sentence. For example I thought you said you had to change your dog's name after WWII to be PC... :H

                        Sorry about all the shade. If I go to the UK, I'm going to have to deal with a whole new set of challenges. Around here it’s mostly the scorching heat of the summer months but around there I suppose it will be setting up a type of greenhouse.

                        You know what I would like us to do? Inspire each other with ideas of how to overcome stuff like this. Not necessarily with thousands of dollars. Because I for one don't have it. I know that people grow marijuana quite successfully indoors with spray lights, for instance, Why not add spray lights to go on for 3 hours during the day to help boost the veggies?

                        Hey there Bruun, you also garden?

                        Play
                        , we also used to use earth worms for bait. I had to go along to put the worms on the hook and take the fish off the hook as my brother is a big wuss. Not that I liked it either. I was about ten and couldn’t WAIT for the damn fish to bite but as soon as we caught the fish, I would feel so damn sad the rest of the day. Mostly, we would toss it back. These red wrigglers are a bit special in that they only live in compost heaps or cow dung, they actually can’t live in soil at all. I know, I tried, because I'm the *worm killer*. Nah, I just thought all worms should be able to live in the ground but apparently not.

                        Nora
                        , you grow a lot of the stuff I do in Summer. Although I haven't had much luck with onions before. Not much luck with anything under soil level, I think it’s because of the dense clay we have and the thick roots of all the existing trees and stuff.

                        PS: Did anyone see the BBC TV Series Its not Easy Being Green. It is absolutely fantastic? I saw the first series and there is a second series. Not sure if you can buy the series but they have a website and a book.

                        Newhouse Farm - Sustainable Living & Green Technology Courses in Cornwall.

                        It's Not Easy Being Green: One Family's Journey Towards Eco-Friendly Living: Amazon.co.uk: Dick Strawbridge: Books



                        OK, Let me go earn some bucks so I can pay for that gardener.


                        :flower:

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                          #42
                          Gardening

                          I am loving just reading on this thread, it was a wonderful idea Dizzy. I havent advanced anymore on my garden, it was raining non stop for days but today the sun is out so I will have to mow my lawns, not something I especially enjoy but I like it afterwards when it looks nice. I still havent got any further re planing veggies. I dont know where to get crates or anything like that from cheaply that would be big enough to put in carrots and lettuce. I was thinking of maybe of making a flower bed in my front garden and putting some veggies in there, would that work? would it look very odd do you think, I have got a lagre plant I cant remember its name in a pot that I could plant in there and was thinking of putting in a row of carrots and then a row of bedding plants, I will give it a go anyway, the dogs dont go in the front garden so they will be safe there. I think lettuces would look very odd there tho but maybe I could get away with putting a few in!

                          xx

                          Gophers sound cute to me, I just googled them but obviously you peeps with them dont think they are so cute.

                          I am sooooo envious of you peeps who live in the sticks with lots of land and woods and stuff. But then again I do have a garden, 2 in fact front and back which is 2 more than where I grew up so I am grateful for that.

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                            #43
                            Gardening

                            Ha! Haven't started my garden yet......still too cold here in Maryland.
                            ?Be who you are and say what you feel because
                            those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.?
                            Dr. Seuss

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                              #44
                              Gardening

                              Hey Diz ? Just a quick response to your worm questions. I may start up my worms again this summer .. we shall see how well I stay on track with ?life? this time around! Don?t want any more worm death on my hands! HA!

                              I would feed them every week to two weeks depending on how full the population got. Once they really get going ? they produce pretty rapidly. I just watch that damp shredded newspaper on top and when it was about half gone I would feed again. (put down about an inch layer over the food each time ? after soaking it, squeeze out the extra moisture and ?fluff? and spread it out. Too much water it and you will create a bacteria nightmare for them)

                              No ? I would never give them ?air? ? they don?t need that with a proper system. My curiosity would get me at times and would take a large plastic spoon and gently scoop back part of the newspaper to see how they were doing. They all dive for cover but I could get an idea of how many babies were happening and then would cover them back up.

                              Over feeding will make your bin smell and will potentially attract pests. Also, chopping things up makes it easier for them to consume and they will eat (and re-produce) faster. The damp newspaper is a great way to know when to feed them and also helps insulate them from heat and cold and gives them just the right amount of moisture (and tea!) In sunny south California it can get quite warm so I kept my bin in a corner shade spot out my back door and they did great for years ?

                              Hello to all! Sorry ? gotta dash!

                              WTE

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                                #45
                                Gardening

                                I'm going to put my trust in you my fellow worm killer, WTE, and feed them your way. After reading your post I think I may have been killing them with kindness when I wasn't killing them with neglect.

                                I always cut up the food finely but I guess I followed my mothers advice that you can never be 'too sure' that there isn't enough food in there and the person who told me to air them was just stupid. I'm sure no one airs them in the piles of shite they live in in nature...

                                So for now you can rest assured that you are at least helping to keep my worms alive.

                                :flower:

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