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[sujul]

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idiot_wind;162129 wrote:
I am of course, included in this group but I don't need it in my face everyday and need to get on with real life....

So, do it--it's what we ALL want, after all--to get on with our real lives...

Many of us find it helpful to be here--both for our own ab/mod goals and to help others struggle with this.... If this is not helpful to you, then you can simply log off.

I would like to say that today I celebrate 15 MONTHS OF UNBROKEN ABS--so apparently something about being here works for many of us!

I sincerely wish you all the best, David--may you, too, find your own way out of this nightmare.

[Beaches]

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David,
I have been here quite awhile and never once would I label any of the people who come here drunk mad people.
There are people who come here from different parts of the world who communicate differently and who come for different types of support at different times. I have found that no matter what the issue people stand up for one another and offer advice, humor and whatever is needed at that particular time. Sometimes the boards get heavy because people have a lot going on but ya know what...that's life. That's the stuff that we all learn from and take with us so that we can better deal with life's little misfortunes.
I agree that if this is not the kind of support you need in your recovery then this is not the place you need to be or you can decide to learn from the people here and realize how much you would lose if you moved on.

[julie001]

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It certainly seems like you have gained a lot since coming here if you have cut your drinking in half. My guess is that your post was much like a drunk dial mishap. I'm sure you'll wake up and recognize that.

[Butterflybe]

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I would echo Julie001's response.

Stick with it, that's what this is all about isn't it? We all have bad days and then the good ones come too! Sometimes things are said in 'haste' or is it 'haze'.......... whatever, we are here to make the start for something we all strive for in common.

I am pleased to have found this site and to read any posts; let's keep going in good spirits (oops! good heart!)

[retteacher]

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David: If I didn't come to MWO every day, sometimes more than once, I would not have felt the progress or relief I have over the 2 months I've been here. I'm neither mad nor drunk & do resent being labeled like that. I haven't noticed a single crazy, downer post here yet. Yes, people have struggles, but that's life. We're here to deal w/those struggles in a healthy way. I would feel terrible if someone left this site, because of a judgement such as yours. Many of us depend on this site for our way out of our particular problem w/alcohol. I've looked. There isn't a single site like this anywhere else on the net. You might want to look within yourself for a change in attitude. Mary

[cassy]

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Hi Everyone,,hope we all continue to support each other as we continue our journey into change......I love this site and come here when i am happy with my progress or when i am struggling with moderating.

Its a haven where i can peacefully share my experience and learn from others.

I,ve learnt not to look back..thats all gone and forgiven(for me as a catholic i use confession)..so i try and live each day as best as i can always mindful of my goal of moderating.

Of course i have days when i get it wrong ..but i read on here and get inspiration to keep my vision of not getting drunk again before me.

some times David we pick up on stuff that we are sensitive about...or maybe you were having an angry moment??/i cant presume to know your thoughts and maybe you were just not at peace with yourself and sounding off.................well done with halfing your booze but my experience tells me i too have halved my intake or more but i can slip so so easily!!!!!!!!!!!

Good luck everyone.........off to a bubbly bath, hot chocolate and a good book after a lovely day with friends and family.

Take care all...Cassy

[adagirl]

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What I love to see on this board is the progression people make. So many come to the 'Just Getting Started' section and what they have to say might be sad, but I can relate to it because I've been there and I felt what they felt. It reminds me of why I don't want to go back to the way I was and I try to dish out some hope along the way. Everyone here who has had success w/this program felt hopeless at some point I think. I know I did. What is so great is that its not hopeless. For every sad story and circumstance, there is hope for a tomorrow that CAN be different. The people on here are living proof of that. I cannot think of anything more inspiring. I know it is hard to see when you are still in the grips of addiction, though. You don't want to hope for better because you have failed so many times before. But, if you want to get better, you have to take a leap of faith and give this program a real try. You are worth it!

[Guest]

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Donned the body armour.......awaiting the flack!!!!

As a self-confessed alcoholic who doesn`t regard myself as in any way lowly, I would not endorse anyone speaking of us in a detrimental way. However, I think David may well have a valid point, despite the fact that his projection seemed to lack sensitivity.

I think as we become more aware of our drinking problem, and especially as we consider ways in which to address said problem, the whole concept of drinking and not drinking seems to take command of so much of our lives and thought processes, that it is all too easy for the constant battle with the booze to completely take over our lives, to such an extent that we regard every single little thing we do as having a relationship to our alcohol problem.

I truly value the opportunity to be here, and share with you all, and appreciate the priceless friendships I have made here.

As many of you know, I was sober for 10 yrs. in the remote past...........accomplished by my willpower alone. Regardless, I am back at square one today. So saying, I know that I possess within myself the resolve to again beat the booze unaided, as I did in the past.

Despite its benefits (which admittedly, I have enjoyed), is it not that M.W.O. is predominantly "a business", accumulating profits from those who order stuff from the site and also from those who subscribe ? Is it not that subsriptions and ordering from the site accumulate the funds which allow us non-subscribed members access to all our wonderful friends? Don`t ask your buddies the questions I have posed...............ask your individual selves ............

Much love,

Starlight Impress

[nancy]

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Heavy thread

Wow. This was a heavy thread.

It seems to me that one point Idiot Wind is trying to make is that people here actually need psychological help and are not getting it. I don't think the second half is true. I think most are on some kind of medication (anti-depressants, bipolar meds etc) and many have seen psychologists.

Reference to "drunk mad" people probably is misunderstood given that he seems to approve of a more liberal attitude toward mental illness. I imagine he is referring to those who actually post when drunk? Another thought is that his use of the word "mad" is different. I think in the US it is pretty pejorative, but elsewhere it is used a lot more lightly.

As for reading downer posts. I think that if you have a problem it can be hard to see others struggling with the same thing, though I personally find it liberating. if you hang out with people who don't have it, you can ignore the reality a bit. When you are on this website, you confront it as it is. Sounds like idiot wind finds it depressing to see the reality of life for people with this problem. In fact that is exactly what he said. I don't think this is that controversial. Some people don't like the AA meetings because of the speeches, which they call "drunkalogues". To each his or her own I say.

I agree also that there are many posts that are positive. but as a newcomer maybe idiot wind hasn't seen them yet. sometimes people complain that the posts are so positive they can't relate to them!

I don't feel offended by his post but i can see why others do.

Maybe he just needs to be more tactful in future.
Also, there is so much to read here. Read whatever helps you!

I credit this site for giving me an amazing education in alcoholism.

Also, I really like Adagirl's post, she makes the point about seeing progress that people make from start to end. It's really valuable.

[tryingsohard]

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i have ummed an ahhhd do i post on this or not, story of my life,100s of contradicting thoughts,jus never come s out the desired way,

i logged on the morning of my 28th, in the history was mwo, no rcollection how woke up on sofa computer still on, 6 am crawled up to bed,, but when i logged bk on ,i was suprised, i read an posted an admittedly, to much an quite often whilst drinking, im thinking now, mayb actually saying outloud that man im a drunk has entirly altered me, i told my bf, my dr, my bf s mum knows the secret thats not really been a secret as me slaughtered is hard 2 hide, but i ve choose 2 tell people, i know i want help, i know i need help, but now i know really it s only me ultimatly can help, i ve started the ball rolling, just the waiting is so hard, an i think mayb now ive admitted it, i ve had an excuse, a crap 1 but my brain jus says go on jus 2day u been good, that voice has GOT 2go away

there r so many walks of life on this site an so much advice an so many opinions,

all i know is mwo has made my head fill with thoughts an memoies i thought were dead an buried ,obviously not, ,but also now im filled with reasons,ways i can stop, hope an inspiration, an tryin 2 find ways 2 change how i ve thought an dealt with my life the past 15 yrs, sorry about th waffle that s come in between, i think mayb i should of admitted 2myself what a mess i am b4 postin,in beginning mwo has certainly pointed my mess out 2 me,

i know it s time i siopped yappin an started doin,

dr or no dr it s down 2 me, right

[nancy]

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Rachel's post

I think Rachel's new post, above, says it all.

This is not a judgemental community.

I think that is good. sure we may be sensitive...

I am ok with that.

[trixietrack]

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purple neck;162132 wrote: Hear what you say and agree that there must be reasons behind the drinking.

Doctors however, ???
My quack is on the verge of being an alchy, and will not know how to handle her predicament, let alone others.
Also they do not have the resources or the where for all to deal with our situations. This is why self help seems to be the only way . In the UK anyway.
And this is why thsi forum is helping me!

Ps what's Bipolar??

Purpl

bipolar is another name for manic depression. people who swing from real highs to real lows. The cycle from high to low differs with people. some bipolar people can stay in the high mode for months or years. the same with the lows

[Beaches]

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I agree, we are here. No matter what. Rachel is living proof of that and so are many others that were here before her.

I admire that people feel so safe that they can open up and bare their souls here. Many times we cant' do that with even our families. This is how we begin to heal.

[trixietrack]

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In many ways I agree with you David. It could be very overwhelming to log on and read the many posts about peoples struggles with alcohol, I sometimes feel sad after reading some of the things people post here about all the problems that they cause themselves with alcohol.
When I start to feel like it's too overwhelming and painful to keep reading and also reflecting on myself and my drinking problems I step back, take a break.

[grey goose]

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Do I drink due to depression or am I depressed because I drink? Does it matter? Vicious cycle is what I call it.

Grey