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    #76
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    Hi again and thanks again for all of your thoughts. Well he did give me "the papers" and some ado ensued then for a short while. THEN, he broke down and cried, hasn't done that since college. he said I told him to do it (I did ... but I meant n.ot now, when things stabilized). That I "conned him" into believing I would not drink, and he believed me. that he's already 50 years old and probably only has 8-10 years left (his father died at 58) and he doesn't want to have a heart attack or be "destitute." That he should be making more money than he is because he cannot concentrate because of me. He cannot forgive the 5 years of abuse he has suffered. he says he was a good husband and never azbused or neglected me, unless I had been drinking.... BUT I can have the kids, and I must stay sober so I could take good care of them. Maybe he shouldn't be married to anybody and live alone. That we do not have to do anything about this now or ever, although he thinks we should. He cried so hard he probably scared himself, but I think it was good for him and I was kind.

    Well, I am 7 days AF and plan to be until tomorrow. I am shaken, but at the same time hope some kind of good will come out of this, at least some understanding. I understand he is petrified of alcohol, but the beer IS just the tip of the iceburg. There is and has been much more stewing here for not 5 years but 20. He cannot see that. He says he never forced me to drink -- of course, that's true, but he never really listened to the things I had to say, how lonely I was, with my thoughts bouncing off the walls. He was crying so hard, said he was afraid of a stroke. This was about 1:30 this afternoon; he has his own accounting practice, but is also a very talented guitarist, and now has a gig in a nice, local restaurant, so I know I am h ome alone. I can go to the pakky and not get found out, but I really do not feel like for whatever reason. Would love to hear your thoughts and hang out here tonight, me
    Cuckoo for Cocoa Puff!!!

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      #77
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      By the way, I want to save the marriage for me and him and the kids. They (and me) would not want us to split, would love for us to get along (me too), and avoid financial disaster and keep them in their schools. My hubby cannot take much stress, he distances himself so he doesn't fall apart?
      Cuckoo for Cocoa Puff!!!

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        #78
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        Hi Janka, just a note to let you know that I am here for you. I don't know how to give relationship advice, but it seems you scared hubby with your sobriety and he seems really self-absorbed. You will be fine with or without him. Stay steady, you are doing great, and stay here. :h Suz
        The more we appreciate life, the more life appreciates and bestows us with more goodness.

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          #79
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          thanks suzanna, still steady but not perfectly so ... i wish i knew what to do ... i know my kids will freak out ... what will he do then?
          Cuckoo for Cocoa Puff!!!

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            #80
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            Suzanna,

            I totally do not know your situation, so accept anything I say with a really generous interpretation. It sounds to me like your hubby is so anxious and nervous, he is looking to control his outside surroundings. He is worried about having 8 or 10 more years? OMG - who would not be a total stress case. That is the kind of thinking that is guaranteed to make someone miserable and lose enjoyment of life - but what the hell does that have to do with drinking?? The thing is, he really cannot use your behaviors as an excuse to abdicate his own responsibility for himself (or his family). Poor guy sounds like a neurotic wreck. And - that is so NOT your fault. Even though you are here dealing with a drinking problem, I honestly think that he is the one who would most benefit from counseling. You are very introspective, it seems. Not sure, but I am guessing huge anxiety disorder for your hubby?

            Yes, you drank - yes, there are lots of issues going way back. However, what if you did not drink ... and things slowly got better. Who would he have to blame for his unhappiness? The rules of the game are shifting - and he has lost his footing. Stick to your plan - and do not be too shaken. At some point, he is going to need to realize that he has some problems and a "geographical" cure or separation is not going to do anything but make his life harder.

            Really thinking of you,
            Pans

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              #81
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              Oh Pansy thank you so much! He IS a nervous wreck, and I guess my drinking only escalates that. He is terrified of any drinking, especially mine last week where I got so angry i kicked my relatives (brother & sister-in-law) out of my house for trying to force me to go to a hospital. I will never do that again (did it in 2005, 11 days), and I was screaming for my life. They cornered me like I was some wild animal and I reacted and I was even drinking that much. They make it sound like I have an IV line for beer 24/7. How untrue! Anyway my behavior, the fact that I was drinking, and the fact that I did try to kick them (I am very polite, never did this before, but feel I had every right to) out, freaked my husband out.
              I don't know ... he is a nervous wreck and he blames me for it. He exaggerates my drinking and makes it the focus of everybody's attention. Sorry to take up so much time. And yes, he is always afraid of dying prematurely, getting poisened, germs, etc.
              Cuckoo for Cocoa Puff!!!

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                #82
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                Janka,

                Just catching up on posts from the past week. Although a bit delayed...welcome!!! I am very impressed with the fact that you have been several days alcohol-free. Marriage is a challenge in the best of circumstances. I echo the thoughts of others here--do what is best for you and your children. Take care of yourself. You will become a better mom, for sure. Beatle made a comment (a few days back) about how her hubby isn't any different even when she alcohol free for days. That was an eye-opener for me. My hubby escapes to the family room in the basement pretty much all day and evening when he's home. I blamed myself for that for a long time. Not anymore. Your husband has his own set of issues. Don't blame yourself for those. Whatever happens in your marriage, I hope that you, your children, and your husband are happy and healthy.

                This site wonderful. I found MWO when I was at my lowest place. I admitted my problem with alcohol for the first time here. I didn't feel judged for the first time in a long time. You have been wonderfully expressive. I wish you the best.

                Julie

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                  #83
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                  Thanks Julie ... onto 8th AF day today, which is super given the fact I was thrown back by those divorce papers yesterday. I truly do not know what to do with my husband, who is very self-righteous, and thinks I had the best man around. Go figure
                  Cuckoo for Cocoa Puff!!!

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                    #84
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                    Janka,

                    Congrats on Day 8. Your days are really racking up - before you know it you will be hitting Day 10, then on to Day 30. I found that my whole outlook changed shortly after Day 30 - and I am so reminded by what I learned in my years of therapy - you can't change other people or be responsible for what they do (I have family members who are quite mentally ill).

                    I was also thinking about your hubby - anxiety, etc. Could it be possible that he has OCD? Perhaps there are treatments that could really help him - he sounds as if he is in such misery (and making everyone around him miserable too!).

                    Anyway, thinking of you today ....
                    Peace
                    Pansy

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                      #85
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                      Janka, You are doing great! You are on Day 8 in spite of trouble at home. This shows you are a strong person. Be proud of yourself. You have to take care of yourself first and then you can tackle other problems. Keep up the good work... Don

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                        #86
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                        Great job Janka, you should be very proud of 8 days and keep up the good work!
                        Marcie

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                          #87
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                          I'm impressed you managed to stay strong through this. It shows a real determination, willpower, and sense of self. I will think of you next time I am tempted after a shout-out at home. Please stay strong for you -- and ME ...ha ha ha...Now you've got that on your shoulders.
                          Your time is limited, so don't waste it living someone else's life... And most important, have the courage to follow your heart and intuition. They somehow already know what you truly want to become. Everything else is secondary.

                          Steve Jobs, Stanford Commencement Adress, 2005

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                            #88
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                            Good morning everyone, and thanks so much. Onto day 9 AF today, and it is Sunday, what I call Sober Sunday, a day when I am usually sober anyway, largely because the pakkys are closed here on Sundays. Anyway, had the best night of sleep last night in a very, very long time. Don't get it, but what a much appreciated gift. I love to sleep!

                            Pansy you are right -- we cannot change or be responsible for another's behavior -- I've thought about this a lot in my life. However, I believe, with my heart and soul, that we can have a tremendous influence on each other, for the good and the bad. You all have had a tremendous, uplifting influence on me and for that I am forever grateful.

                            Hubby is still avoiding me, but when I do see him he can be somewhat normal. I cannot believe he thinks I "conned him." I didn't know I was that wiley or clever. It's so strange how he sees me.

                            Anyway, my plan is to hold down the fort here, buy groceries, make good food, perhaps work a little. With hubby, I will not approach him with any discussions concerning our future ... I will seriously try to ride this one out -- very difficult for me. I really think a divorce is a stupid thing at the moment, maybe a year or two from now would be better. But I'll wait to hear his assessment of the whole thing when he is ready, and be pretty much quiet about this subject until then. I also vowed (to myself) not to discuss this with my family members and friends around here, because they would insist I leave once and for all, so I already know teir advice.

                            He really has no clue about his affect ("influence") on me. Had he had been more encouraging instead of disparaging, all this chaos may have been averted. Oh well, what messes we make. I love and treasure all of you and always love to hear from you. I always l ove to hear your ideas and thoughts, j
                            Cuckoo for Cocoa Puff!!!

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                              #89
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                              OCD ???

                              WELL DONE THAT GIRL!!! 10 DAYS NO DRINK- ONLY BULLS**T TO PUT UP WITH !!!

                              With 3 wives and 4 kids I will not venture to put in my :cents worth!! Anyway I've got my own time comsuming problems with the opposite sex...

                              Just wanted to let you know that we are here for one another and you're well on your way!!
                              How do you feel, apart from the big smokescreen going on around you?

                              Cheers
                              Bash :kudos:



                              Pee. Ess
                              Pansy what is OCD when it's at home? Is it contagious? Sounds like a brand of forklifts...

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                                #90
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                                Thanks Bash, you are awesome for remembering me. I'm okay, how bout you?
                                Cuckoo for Cocoa Puff!!!

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