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    Hi - I have been reading a lot lately and thought I would share something I read in Charlotte Kasl's Many Journey's, One Path book...it's a bit long, but I thought there might be others out there like me who are helped by understanding how our thoughts are working sometimes. I read so many posts that start with "I don't understand why I couldn't just stop...". This mentions abstinence, but I think it applies to modding as well.

    "AA describes addiction as ?cunning and baffling.? What is really cunning and baffling are the ways our minds can get sneaky and lead us to relapse. Very often someone is committed to abstinence but doesn?t understand the signs of the addictive mind trying to get them to use again, and are caught off guard. In many ways an addictive episode is parallel to going into a hypnotic trance; the addictive side that stems from the old survivor induces the trance so it can have it?s way.

    To prevent relapse, we need to understand the thought processes that often lead to addiction. Thoughts enter the mind as if from some alien force, seeming to take over. Learning to recognize the early stages of an addictive episode can help dramatically in preventing the addictive urge from overwhelming a person. Essentially, the new survivor / wise person learns to recognize the symptoms of addiction and get help before the old survivor reflexes take over.

    An addictive episode can be broken down into five parts:
    fleeting idea,
    mental attention (inviting the fantasy in,
    planning / obsession,
    acting it out,
    and the hangover involving shame, guilt, remorse, or physical withdrawal

    1. Fleeting idea. A thought or image of the addictive behaviour pops into the mind. It is in the hypnotic cue
    . It could be a thought such as ?wouldn?t a drink/sex/hot fudge sundae feel good?? It seems as if the thought or desire enters from outside oneself. This fleeting thought can be triggered from either physical withdrawal ? headaches, cravings, restlessness, and so on ? or psychological withdrawal ? emptiness, sadness, or anger the person may want to avoid getting close to consciousness. In terms of relapse prevention, it is important to know one?s personal cues ? those things that are likely to trigger the addiction ? and either avoid them or eventually break the associations."


    ?she goes on to describe the mental attention and planning stages as being akin to a hypnotic trance.

    For me, this was especially interesting because of the mention of hypnosis. I am planning to use this information with my hypno CDs. Give myself suggestions to combat the AL "Hypnosis"...and concentrate not on switching 'cravings' but stress that when a fleeting thought enters the mind, I immediately muffle the fleeting idea and my mind will then switch to a positve subject...my mind will find postive activities as rewards and I will work through my insecurities without numbing myself with alcohol. (Those are my triggers - rewards and insecurity).

    I hope someone else will find this helpful as well. I have not been to AA or had therapy, so the insight may be very obvious, but it is new and helpful to me...

    Take good care of yourselves today,

    H4O

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    The Addictive Mind

    Thanks for the post as I found it really relative to my situation today. After 11 days of AF I have finally discovered that one of my triggers is boredom. I really don't have anything going on tonight so my mind started telling my to drink, have a party, slam some beers. It was like "we will have fun, wind down, watch a movie, get relaxed". I finally realized that there was no "we" as I am going to be by myself tonight. I started another conversation with myself that said "the whole conversation is just a trick". I can either drink by myself and watch TV or not drink and watch TV. One option has the benefit of not feeling like crap tomorrow so I chose that option instead.

    The information you posted was really dead on. But how does your brain plant these conversations into your head? I just don't understand why they even need to happen in the first place. I estimate that the entire conversation that I had with myself was about 30 minutes. Why so long?

    All of this stuff is really confusing to me and starting to get me down. I thought that once the physical issues went away that it was just a matter of saying no to AL. I wasn't expecting the long dramatic conversations with myself.

    Oh well, off to watch a movie with my AF beer and hope I don't have any more conversations with myself tonight!

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      #3
      The Addictive Mind

      I think I need this now too. My mind is playing tricks on me. I have worked out really hard the past two days, and I am very sore. I like to play cards at the local pubs and restaurants, but of course AL is always there waiting for me. Sometimes I go and do just fine and don't want to drink, but tonight there is that good ol' boredom issue for me as well. I really want to get out of the house and go, but because I am so sore, I also really want to drink to loosen up these sore muscles. I know that this is just AL trying to convince me to go out and drink. I just got the hypno CDs, so I am trying to keep the bastard at bay by coming here, playing cards online (not the same social fun though and then go listen to the CDs. Hopefully I'll make it.
      Goal 1: Today
      Goal 2: Tomorrow

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        The Addictive Mind

        caseaday;316539 wrote:
        But how does your brain plant these conversations into your head? I just don't understand why they even need to happen in the first place. I estimate that the entire conversation that I had with myself was about 30 minutes. Why so long?

        All of this stuff is really confusing to me and starting to get me down.
        It is a coloring of the mind stuff that you stored away
        in your sub-conscious. You strengthened this particular coloring
        many many times. It is commonly called an attraction. The coloring
        causes the fleeting thought to bubble up into your awake mind.

        The trick is to witness the mind as much as you can and when you
        notice one of these fleeting colorings coming to the top of your
        mind, let it float away, " Don't touch it ", don't entertain it. Or you
        can negate it with a thought of the opposite quality.
        Like matter and anti-matter [ no it won't explode ]

        The colorings of the chitta [ mind stuff ] can allegedly be removed
        by advanced meditation, but I have not learned how to do this [ yet ].

        After a while you will negate the coloring and this will not happen.
        This takes a long time, FYI.

        Tricky stuff huh? Just be mindful , you can beat this.

        with healing, Sam

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          The Addictive Mind

          Boredom and anger has taken over me today. I have dinner tonight that my wife set up. I expressed my feeling that I didn't want to go and she made the plans anyway.

          I hope things go well and tomorrow will be better. Of course the AL is calling me.
          Starting over again 09/06/11

          "When its good its good its so good until it goes bad" Pink,Sober

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            #6
            The Addictive Mind

            Those are wonderful insights. I read that book years ago, when I was still in AA. I was thinking about it just a few days ago; I'm glad it is still around!

            wip

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              #7
              The Addictive Mind

              Hi happy,
              Thanks for this thread.........subject is interesting and somewhat controversial.

              Personally, I feel that my becoming and remaining sober (thus far) finally all transpired mostly because I learned to accept full responsibility for my own actions and my own choices in this life. I was a drunk as a result of making bad choices. The "hypnotic trance" idea sounds like a bit of a cop-out to me.

              Just my opinion about my personal relationship with alcohol.........I can equally respect someone having a very different perspective.

              Star x
              Formerly known as Starlight Impress.

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                #8
                The Addictive Mind

                Star, I am not much a fan of hypnosis, and I am a big believer in individual responsibility in the behavioral choices we make in life! So, I agree with you totally. But I also believe (and this is firmly established, by a mountain of scientific evidence) that cues (including our own thoughts and emotional states, as well as cues from the environment) are powerful in triggering behavior; and I think that it really doesn't matter whether we call them "hypnotic" or not.

                Some people have the powerful subjective sense that they are sometimes behaving in a "robotic" fashion when they relapse, and that closely resembles the idea that thoughtless behavior resembles a "hypnotic trance."

                Anything that helps us to pay closer attention to the triggers in our internal and external environment, and that helps us to develop and practice positive coping strategies when we encounter them, is a winner, in my book!

                wip

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                  #9
                  The Addictive Mind

                  WIP,
                  I must respect scientific evidence, but I still have to accept full responsibility for my own choices. The "hypnotic trance" idea would torment manys a head.........we could all but talk ourselves into having a drink as we could always put that scientific evidence to good use, no? Us alkies are most ingenious, after all..........:H

                  Star x
                  Formerly known as Starlight Impress.

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                    #10
                    The Addictive Mind

                    Starlight Impress Forever;445270 wrote: WIP,
                    I must respect scientific evidence, but I still have to accept full responsibility for my own choices. The "hypnotic trance" idea would torment manys a head.........we could all but talk ourselves into having a drink as we could always put that scientific evidence to good use, no? Us alkies are most ingenious, after all..........:H

                    Star x
                    Good point, Star... Anything that contributes to believing that we are not capable of controlling our own behavior is a really un-helpful thing, in my opinion. That's one of the problems I have with AA... And for many, the term "hypnosis" could easily contribute to the idea of one's behavior being outside one's control...

                    wip

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