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    Good Old Catholic Guilt

    At the suggestion of doggygirl I am moving this from the 4th page of another thread. I guess I sort of got off on a tangent. No offense to all of you Dyed-In-the-Wools out there. There is nothing wrong with Catholocism, just in the way the material was presented.

    ANYWAY...

    I was raised Catholic as well. I consider myself a 'Recovering-Catholic' and Catholicism a form of child abuse. When we weren't in church we were in Dad's tavern. We'd kneel on the hard wooden steps between our home above the bar that led to the bar and say the Rosary as punishment for our sins. I am the youngest of ten. It was like being born into hell and I realize that but apparently I can't get over it. I was certainly taught from an early age how to self-medicate. Somebody died - let's make a toast!!! Somebody got married, got Baptised, got Confirmed, had their First Confession/Communion, was happy, was sad, a Grandchild's birthday, Mom & Dad's anniversary, after Mid-night Mass on Christmas Eve, or how about when Lent was over, what did they call that, AH YES, Easter Sunday - for all these occasions - LET'S ALL GET HAMMERED!!! Didn't matter how young or old, who was driving, or the physical fights that broke out that ended the event - it was how we lived - as long as everyone went to Mass first. I could write a book and ramble on forever. Parents are long, long gone and none of we siblings speak to each other. We're not angry -just whipped. I'm 48 and my oldest sibling is 69. I suppose we will start burying each other soon and I don't having feelings one way or another about that prospect. I believe I have mourned the loss of these relationships long ago. Nobody cares about anybody. Family mean nothing. Emotion is a sign of weekness. When I tell people that none of my siblings has ever given my 5 minutes of respite in the last 23 years of caring for my disabled son, they nearly fall over. But according to my good Catholic upbringing, he was a scab on the family and a punishment from God for my sins. Apparently it was too difficult to look up the true genetic abnormality he was born with in a dictionary. I pity what they have missed out on not being a part of his life. I believe God sends us all opportunities to learn and elevate our souls. So far, I'm not catching on to this addiction lesson as quickly as I'd hoped. I believe it has led me to you good people and hopefully not to late to give my life some purpose. I keep picturing the day I have to look my children in the eye and tell them that 'Mommy is dying because she loved AL more than she loved you' and the truth is, I think I love and need love too much - I think that's what is killing me. I am trying to understand this. My mother acted like she hated me and of course I recently learned that she was giving me her own special elixor of AL laced 'nerve medicine' to sedate me as a child. Being a 48 YO woman and realizing the symptoms of the onset of Menopause myself and putting 2 & 2 together, I realize that I was 'Mom's Menopause Mistake' and she probably truly was miserable and didn't know what she was going through or why she was cursed with another child so late in life . Well - now she knows (God rest her soul) that she can chalk another one up to Catholicism and 'The Rythym Method' and not her innocent child.

    FYI - to my fellow Catholic who's sis lost her son - OMG - I am so very, very sorry. One of my sister's lost a son (who was my age) in 2000 and a daughter (a few years younger than me) 3 years later. I was devastated because I was much closer to them than I was to my sister. I still well up when I think of them. They both went quickly and are at much greater peace than I and I talk to them often. We used to love to drink together! Yes, I miss them sooo much, and they really liked my broken son. XOX

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    Good Old Catholic Guilt

    :welcome: RockyRoad!

    WOW. I don't even know what to say. How sad. How sad that you have NO family that gives a damn. How sad you and your child are being 'punished' by your family for his disability. How can anyone say a child with any disability is a punishment for the parent's sin? I am beside myself with that one. Absolutely disgusting.

    Personally, if that is the way my family felt about either of my kids if they were disabled, they wouldn't even have a moment of my time - ever. Never, ever. I don't speak to my sister because of some of the things she has said and done to my kids. I will never forgive her. (I don't care what anyone has to say about it either. I am no longer angry, but she is a piece of shit as far as I am concerned.) She is my only sibling, and personally, since getting sober, I have really seen things for what they are. I can go on and on....... sorry. Bottom line is that I am terribly disappointed with my family.

    I hope you find some comfort here. This place has truly helped me get my life back. There are so many kind and caring souls here that can help you get your life back to.

    Many, many hugs to you. :l I am very sorry your siblings are completely ignorant.

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      Good Old Catholic Guilt

      Your family sould be ashamed of them selves !!!!!!!! How stupid can they be ???? Are they living in the middle ages when people did not understand abnormalities and blindly looked to the church for answers ??You sound very wise to me and they sound ignorant ????? I am struggling with family issues today myself and I am trying to take a deep look at myself and find out why it is that I am always jumping thru their hoops.You and your child are better off with out them in your life.I believe as you said,God gives us challanges so that we have opportunities to grow spiritually,it is not a punishment it is a gift.I can even see that in the long run Alcoholism can be a gift as well !!!!! I know that as I am able to stay sober I am a much stronger person than if I had not had to BEAT the BEAST......You can beat him as well,i know you can.....EVIE
      sigpicEyes on the PRIZE, a SOBER Future !!!

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        Good Old Catholic Guilt

        I think it was Mahatma Ghandi that said: "I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."

        Anyway I don't want to get into religious debate or anything but I see fundamentalism being the primary cause for concern over religion. Your story sounds like this is what you have had to deal with over the years Rocky and I too was appalled and disgusted to hear of your's and your son's treatment by your immediate family.

        Welcome to My Way Out (Yes mine not your's!!!!). I believe with you moving this post you are already familiarizing yourself with the forum and I hope we'll bump into one another again soon. Have you set yourself any goals yet?

        Love and Happiness
        Hippie
        xx
        "Keep me away from the wisdom which does not cry, the philosophy which does not laugh and the greatness which does not bow before children." Kahlil Gibran
        Clean and sober 25th January 2009

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          #5
          Good Old Catholic Guilt

          Hi Rocky,
          I am glad you are here! Welcome.
          Lila

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            #6
            Good Old Catholic Guilt

            Hi Rocky,,,, glad you found mwo .....so sorry to hear this i cant believe i was reading this. they should be ashame of them selfs.
            I was raised as a catholic had to go to church every sunday, dad always put on his best suit and as soon as mass was finish straight down the pub and when he get home all hell broke out.
            sometimes i think the parents need to go to church to confess there sins they did everyday, and it still does not seem to work. I wonder what there local priest would think of alll this.
            you have come to a great place here where people care and give lots of support.

            sending you lots of love and:l

            Love
            Teardrop.x
            family is everything to me

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              #7
              Good Old Catholic Guilt

              Hi Rocky Road and welcome! Your story is certainly a complex one and it sounds like you have lots of issues to deal with. I am Catholic and certainly identify with drinking at every milestone throughout life. Every event at minimum has wine. What we didn't have was the massive guilt & punishment you suffered and I am sorry you had to go through that.

              I hope you post often as I am interested in your story and you write well. It sounds like your son is lucky to have you in his corner. Don't beat yourself up for not being the "perfect" mother...none of us are.
              Sometimes I wonder...."Why is that frisbee getting bigger?"...and then it hits me.

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                #8
                Good Old Catholic Guilt

                Rocky Road,

                Your story breaks my heart. My Catholic family takes care of each other, my children have that modeled for them everyday. They also watched my sister, their favorite aunt, drink herself to death. It took a year for my then 16-year-old daughter to ask about what was really going on with my sister, I didn't hold back I told her she was an alcoholic and gave my daughter my sisters entire story. She was extremely angry that she had not understood this before because she was certain that she would of been able too stop her.

                Recently, my teenage daughter asked how much gin and vodka we go through a week, she also has taken to collect my wine corks. I remember feeling worried and confused when my mother drank, I am certain I am doing the same to my beautiful children. There is my confession my catholic friend and the reason I am here.

                Peace,

                Shaking

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                  #9
                  Good Old Catholic Guilt

                  How terrible...

                  I am sorry you have had this experience! When I read what you wrote about family not offering respite help to you it made me think of how much this would mean to several folks I know. You could probably really educate folks about your experiences.
                  I am sorry you were born into such disfunction RR.

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                    Good Old Catholic Guilt

                    I have nothing to say except thank you for sharing and welcome. I truly hope we can be some comfort to you.

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                      Good Old Catholic Guilt

                      I think it was Mahatma Ghandi that said: "I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."

                      Hippie I've always loved this quote I was raised Catholic and I pretty much feel the same way.

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                        #12
                        Good Old Catholic Guilt

                        Hi Rocky and Welcome! So sorry to hear about all that has happened to you and especially the lack of support from your family. I know first hand how much that hurts! I am so happy that you found us and I know you will feel better, with the support you will receive here. The other thing that will help enourmously is getting finished with drinking.

                        I was also raised Catholic, I know all about the "guilt thing" and self flagelation for even so much as "an impure thought"! I also understand the drinking at every turn in a Catholic family. But, in a way, I lucked out some, I went to British schools for my first four years and then to Catholic school for the next four. I excaped and went to public school during High School.......Yeah! My husband, however went all through School in Catholic school including Jesuit Boys H.S. funny, he even went to Georgetown med school (also Catholic.......technicly). He speaks of experiences in grammar and HS that are way more horrific than my experiences with mean nuns! Neither of us has been a practicing Catholic for more than 30 years! All I can say is that we can not only survive, but even thrive after this......I wish you peace.

                        Best Wishes to you,
                        Kate
                        A Dream is a Wish Your Heart Makes~Cinderella

                        AF 12/6/2007

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                          #13
                          Good Old Catholic Guilt

                          Hi Rocky ... Welcome to you

                          I am so saddened by your story - but not a bit shocked. I was raised Catholic and can tell you with out a fear - I left the RCC 15 years ago - Such deep generational bondage in the Church.

                          Hugs to you

                          PS I am now a Christian. Oops I know that will upset some peoples apple carts. I should know ...
                          AF since Jan. 1, 2008 .... It all began right here


                          Raise your hopeful voice, you have a choice, you made it now.


                          (from the Movie "Once")

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                            Good Old Catholic Guilt

                            When I was 16 and got my driver's license, I would "go" to 10AM mass, while my folks always went at 5PM Saturday night. By "go" I mean that my idea of church was to drive around for an hour through the beautiful Sunday morning countryside - the back roads - listening to my favorite music and letting the wind flow through my 1967 Plymouth Fury III. That was spiritual for me. I have a deep respect for anyone with religious faith, though it was not the path for me. My folks are still very involved in the Catholic church; it works for them, and I love them for it. I have never been back, and in a way I think they delivered me from the organized aspect of it just by being "Christian minded" and following the teachings. What a gift.

                            Alas, I am not a joiner of any organized club ... that's why this MWO site (and all the people on it) are so so inspiring. I can remain anonymous while telling my tales and getting advice about my battles with AL. Makes you wonder about the power of the internet and just modern communication in general, doesn't it?

                            All in all, apple carts shouldn't have to be upset; if there's one thing we learn here at MWO forums (as I have this week), it's that everyone has to do what they want on their own .... the forum support is a definite bonus, just like organized religion is for a lot of people ... but, in the end, your faith is your own faith. I think Jesus said something like this: "The temple of God is within yourself" (paraphrasing some Bible verse).

                            It's really all about the power of the self. God is within us each, individually. AL certainly fogs this relationship.

                            Sorry for the rambling, but your story is interesting and I hope to hear more stories of you heroically fighting AL!!!

                            Bestest,

                            Sam

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                              Good Old Catholic Guilt

                              While I am sorry for the trials you have been through in your life I think your family issues have more to do with alcohol addiction, not Catholicism. I do not believe for a second Catholicism is child abuse, nor have I ever heard disabled children are a punishment from God for our sins. I was born and raised Catholic, however I do not embrace the church at all anymore because I do not embrace organized religion. My family still does, however, and they are wonderful loving people.
                              I'm really easy to get along with once people learn to worship me

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