I am really not "getting it" as to why this is turning into something so divisive. I am quite sure that both parties here are totally sincere in their reasons for being here, and want to use this program to deal with their alcohol problems, just like (nearly all) of the rest of us. I don't think it's helpful to continue this thread, everything that needs to be said (and a whole lot more) seems to have been said. Probably would be good if the thread were simply deleted.
I hope that both parties stick around. We all have to learn to live with the tension of being in a group in which our values, goals, and ways of "getting there" may differ considerably. Let's try to struggle with that, with courtesy and a gentle approach.
wip
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