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    Copying from the Nest to the Toolbox

    Hi, Halo.

    Since I seem to be hogging the nest at the moment anyway and since I worked on this today instead of tidying up some job loose ends (this was much more rewarding and in making it, I reminded myself of several things I need to be thinking about and doing), I'll post my list. It is not the concise document I had hoped for (UNDERSTATEMENT OF THE YEAR) but as Byrdie pointed out, I have tried EVERYTHING that I considered at all a reasonable suggestion and different things are done at various times --- some for a couple days, a couple weeks, a couple months, and a few, forever!!

    Please don?t think I am trying to tell anyone else what to do! These ?commands? are directed at me but some might work for you, too. They assume that you want to be permanently AF. Although that was not my original goal, it evolved into that within a few weeks. Furthermore, most of these ideas can be found somewhere in the Nest or Toolbox -- copyright violations abound here as well as does theft of intellectual property ? most of my ideas were generated by all of you!!

    - Stop lurking; get the guts to sign up and get some help.

    - Get all alcohol out of your environment, including anywhere you have hidden it.

    - Spend your former drinking time reading and posting ? at least daily and if possible, throughout the day. If MWO isn?t busy, read old posts. The actors change but the script is pretty much the same.

    - From your reading, figure out who has a voice you can relate to and then ask questions. Pay attention to the answers, even when they aren?t what you wanted to hear.

    - Answer questions when you have an idea that just might be what someone needs to hear. Keep an eye out for people who might need a friend.

    - Try to be encouraging without enabling or excusing bad choices. Have the courage to speak up when you think someone is sabotaging a stated goal.

    - Post even when you are uncomfortable doing it. Let people know the real you. You can remain anonymous and you have nothing to lose. It is liberating to have nothing to hide!

    - If you need to, use PMs and e-mails but try to do most of the hard work on the boards where everyone can benefit from the process and you will be exposed to more than one source.

    - Promise yourself to always be honest here and to tell the whole story (including the parts you?ve been trying to hide from even yourself).

    - Promise to pause and come here to read and post before you take a drink. Give someone time to help you. By the time you?ve paused and posted, you may have saved yourself!

    - Post until just the horrible thought of posting that you drank is enough to make you change your mind.

    - Use language that reflects your intentions and the truth; I will not drink, not I hope I don't; I chose to drink, not I slipped; I'm going to order soda water and lime, not I'll probably order some non-AL beverage; etc. Visualize yourself doing (or not) these things.

    - Aside from taking care of your dependents and doing your job, put attaining sobriety first and foremost all of the time. Do not feel guilty about this ? it doesn?t last forever.

    - Make plans for particular situations you know you will face and contingent plans for the inevitable surprises.

    - Plan your responses to uncomfortable comments and questions.

    - Avoid books, stores, movies, friends, activities, etc. that you strongly associate with drinking or that trigger an unwanted response.

    - Don?t worry that you think about this all the time ? worry if you don?t. Someday you won?t need to.

    - Don?t judge people who take a different path to sobriety but help them when you can and avoid people whose choices make you question your commitment to an alcohol-free life ? this applies to online and offline life.

    - If you aren?t finding what you need in the Nest or Toolbox ? look elsewhere! You never know what perfect post you?ll read or wonderful friend you?ll meet.

    - Participate in a thread on a topic that interests you ? there is more to life than problems with alcohol, even on MWO!

    - Don?t let angst, drama, or toxic people derail you ? both in real life and online.

    - Don?t judge yourself or worry about reeling emotions. You aren?t going crazy and this settles down soon enough.

    - Eat in a way that makes you feel healthy and strong.

    - Exercise when that makes you feel better but rest when you need to.

    - Do whatever you want to do as long as you don?t drink.

    The most important thing, I think, is to use the power of the community that a forum such as this provides, allowing you to achieve something you could not do on your own:

    - Reach out to people ahead of you. They?ve been there. It is unlikely that anything you say will shock them. They want to help or they would no longer be participating. You won?t want to disappoint them? it would make you feel awful to have wasted their time and effort.

    - Reach out to people behind you. You have just experienced the pain, confusion, fear, sorrow, guilt? that they are now suffering. You can still feel it but you also know that it doesn?t last forever. Tell them! You won?t want to let them down ? they want to believe you and are counting on you.

    - Reach out to people at about the same stage
    . It is always nice to have peers and compare notes. Harness the power of a mini-group ? you?ll be greater than the sum of your parts. You won?t want to not be there for your friends and you sure don?t want to be left behind!


    I hope one or more things in that list can be the tipping point for someone --- I've got a glimpse of it now and life is
    better on the other side.

    Much love to all of you, NS :h

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      Copying from the Nest to the Toolbox

      Hi, Halo.

      Since I seem to be hogging the nest at the moment anyway and since I worked on this today instead of tidying up some job loose ends (this was much more rewarding and in making it, I reminded myself of several things I need to be thinking about and doing), I'll post my list. It is not the concise document I had hoped for (UNDERSTATEMENT OF THE YEAR) but as Byrdie pointed out, I have tried EVERYTHING that I considered at all a reasonable suggestion and different things are done at various times --- some for a couple days, a couple weeks, a couple months, and a few, forever!!

      Please don?t think I am trying to tell anyone else what to do! These ?commands? are directed at me but some might work for you, too. They assume that you want to be permanently AF. Although that was not my original goal, it evolved into that within a few weeks. Furthermore, most of these ideas can be found somewhere in the Nest or Toolbox -- copyright violations abound here as well as does theft of intellectual property ? most of my ideas were generated by all of you!!

      - Stop lurking; get the guts to sign up and get some help.

      - Get all alcohol out of your environment, including anywhere you have hidden it.

      - Spend your former drinking time reading and posting ? at least daily and if possible, throughout the day. If MWO isn?t busy, read old posts. The actors change but the script is pretty much the same.

      - From your reading, figure out who has a voice you can relate to and then ask questions. Pay attention to the answers, even when they aren?t what you wanted to hear.

      - Answer questions when you have an idea that just might be what someone needs to hear. Keep an eye out for people who might need a friend.

      - Try to be encouraging without enabling or excusing bad choices. Have the courage to speak up when you think someone is sabotaging a stated goal.

      - Post even when you are uncomfortable doing it. Let people know the real you. You can remain anonymous and you have nothing to lose. It is liberating to have nothing to hide!

      - If you need to, use PMs and e-mails but try to do most of the hard work on the boards where everyone can benefit from the process and you will be exposed to more than one source.

      - Promise yourself to always be honest here and to tell the whole story (including the parts you?ve been trying to hide from even yourself).

      - Promise to pause and come here to read and post before you take a drink. Give someone time to help you. By the time you?ve paused and posted, you may have saved yourself!

      - Post until just the horrible thought of posting that you drank is enough to make you change your mind.

      - Use language that reflects your intentions and the truth; I will not drink, not I hope I don't; I chose to drink, not I slipped; I'm going to order soda water and lime, not I'll probably order some non-AL beverage; etc. Visualize yourself doing (or not) these things.

      - Aside from taking care of your dependents and doing your job, put attaining sobriety first and foremost all of the time. Do not feel guilty about this ? it doesn?t last forever.

      - Make plans for particular situations you know you will face and contingent plans for the inevitable surprises.

      - Plan your responses to uncomfortable comments and questions.

      - Avoid books, stores, movies, friends, activities, etc. that you strongly associate with drinking or that trigger an unwanted response.

      - Don?t worry that you think about this all the time ? worry if you don?t. Someday you won?t need to.

      - Don?t judge people who take a different path to sobriety but help them when you can and avoid people whose choices make you question your commitment to an alcohol-free life ? this applies to online and offline life.

      - If you aren?t finding what you need in the Nest or Toolbox ? look elsewhere! You never know what perfect post you?ll read or wonderful friend you?ll meet.

      - Participate in a thread on a topic that interests you ? there is more to life than problems with alcohol, even on MWO!

      - Don?t let angst, drama, or toxic people derail you ? both in real life and online.

      - Don?t judge yourself or worry about reeling emotions. You aren?t going crazy and this settles down soon enough.

      - Eat in a way that makes you feel healthy and strong.

      - Exercise when that makes you feel better but rest when you need to.

      - Do whatever you want to do as long as you don?t drink.

      The most important thing, I think, is to use the power of the community that a forum such as this provides, allowing you to achieve something you could not do on your own:

      - Reach out to people ahead of you. They?ve been there. It is unlikely that anything you say will shock them. They want to help or they would no longer be participating. You won?t want to disappoint them? it would make you feel awful to have wasted their time and effort.

      - Reach out to people behind you. You have just experienced the pain, confusion, fear, sorrow, guilt? that they are now suffering. You can still feel it but you also know that it doesn?t last forever. Tell them! You won?t want to let them down ? they want to believe you and are counting on you.

      - Reach out to people at about the same stage
      . It is always nice to have peers and compare notes. Harness the power of a mini-group ? you?ll be greater than the sum of your parts. You won?t want to not be there for your friends and you sure don?t want to be left behind!


      I hope one or more things in that list can be the tipping point for someone --- I've got a glimpse of it now and life is
      better on the other side.

      Much love to all of you, NS :h

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        Thinking I can moderate

        Well I am away on this amazing 5 month holiday with my partner thinking he doesn't drink much so I can moderate and learn control. Wrong. Started well but I am slipping. Had too much yesterday and two days ago. So I am taking this time away from my drinking buddies to kick it altogether.

        I know when I last a week I have the cravings under control but then a mate turns up and backwards I go.

        I have no excuse I can do this. The big test will be when I go home in August. My best friend and drinking buddy has a huge problem with it. Either I will encourage her to quit or I will have to end our friendship to keep sober. I hope not.

        My biggest inspiration is my aunt who was in my boat 20 years ago. She is still the same loveable larrikin but just sober.

        I hope I can tap into her strength

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          Thinking I can moderate

          Well I am away on this amazing 5 month holiday with my partner thinking he doesn't drink much so I can moderate and learn control. Wrong. Started well but I am slipping. Had too much yesterday and two days ago. So I am taking this time away from my drinking buddies to kick it altogether.

          I know when I last a week I have the cravings under control but then a mate turns up and backwards I go.

          I have no excuse I can do this. The big test will be when I go home in August. My best friend and drinking buddy has a huge problem with it. Either I will encourage her to quit or I will have to end our friendship to keep sober. I hope not.

          My biggest inspiration is my aunt who was in my boat 20 years ago. She is still the same loveable larrikin but just sober.

          I hope I can tap into her strength

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            First off welcome Newbies,
            Reading and posting is essential, Kuya isn't exaggerating about this at all. I had had many past failed quits, Kuya had brought to my attention that there was a direct correlation between my "slips" and my lack of posting, trust me I looked back at my posts and sure enough she was spot on. My lack of posting; for me showed my lack of commitment to becoming and remaining AF. By making the decision to be diligent about reading and posting I was able to change my stance to being 100% committed in remaining AF. Essentially posting consistently changed the course of my life journey......and that's no drunken wisdom I am at, uummm 82/83 consecutive AF days.
            "Sometimes the strongest people are the ones who love beyond all faults, cry behind closed doors and fight battles that nobody knows about".
            ~Author Unknown
            AF since February 4, 2013

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              First off welcome Newbies,
              Reading and posting is essential, Kuya isn't exaggerating about this at all. I had had many past failed quits, Kuya had brought to my attention that there was a direct correlation between my "slips" and my lack of posting, trust me I looked back at my posts and sure enough she was spot on. My lack of posting; for me showed my lack of commitment to becoming and remaining AF. By making the decision to be diligent about reading and posting I was able to change my stance to being 100% committed in remaining AF. Essentially posting consistently changed the course of my life journey......and that's no drunken wisdom I am at, uummm 82/83 consecutive AF days.
              "Sometimes the strongest people are the ones who love beyond all faults, cry behind closed doors and fight battles that nobody knows about".
              ~Author Unknown
              AF since February 4, 2013

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                :new:

                i am feeling more posative today about remaining AF. It is beginning to seem that this is not as impossible as it did before finding MWO. reading some of the older posts on this site is giving me a lot of inspirstion. I hope to be an inspiration myself oneday.
                :thanks:
                No matter how far you go or how fast you run, you can't get away from yourself. ....said at an AA meeting. It stuck with me.

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                  :new:

                  i am feeling more posative today about remaining AF. It is beginning to seem that this is not as impossible as it did before finding MWO. reading some of the older posts on this site is giving me a lot of inspirstion. I hope to be an inspiration myself oneday.
                  :thanks:
                  No matter how far you go or how fast you run, you can't get away from yourself. ....said at an AA meeting. It stuck with me.

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                    My 30 Day Testimonial - Go forward Boldly and Unafraid

                    Quote:
                    Originally Posted by Byrdlady
                    Nesters, please join me in congratulating Fin for earning his 30 day HAT!!!

                    This is really a huge milestone for us. The decision was made, a plan organized and Day 1 done. We are so proud of you! You bring such optimism and hope in your messages. Here's to a lifetime of sobriety!! If you have a few words as to how you did it, we'd love to hear them. Thank you for being here with us. Well done!! Byrdie
                    -----------------
                    Byrd, you are so good to call out the chicks who are emerging from the nest and on their way toward solo flight on AF wings. Thank You!

                    I owe any success I've had with this last effort (my 4th attempt after a 2 weeks, a 28 day and then a 33 day effort since last fall) to you and other senior members in the nest. I also need to specifically acknowledge Cat, Kuya and K9 for reaching out when I had pretty much given up on ever being successful controlling AL.

                    These folks basically reminded me in various ways that I am a capable person in many other areas of my life and that going AF should be no different. There was also the frank question regarding how committed I really was to living an AF life. This last one really struck a deep nerve and rattled me back to my good senses.

                    I could then see myself in K9 and so respect her dedication to her daughter vs. AL...something I could readily identify with given my own fatherly responsibilities and my past disdain for ever choosing AL over time with them.

                    With this support and the realization that my three previous attempts to moderate would only lead to a future plagued by a quit again / drink again cycle, I finally "saw the light." I came to accept that I cannot moderate, nor do I have any excuse for continuing to drink. It's bad for business, so to speak. This horrible habit has nothing to do with how I want to envision myself, or how I want others to see me.

                    Now, here I am at 30 days again with much more wisdom under my belt for the danger signs that have brought me down in the past. For those of you that have crossed this threshold and beyond on your first try, well done! For those of you like me who have to learn the hard way, just keep at it. If you fail, get right back here and start again until you get it right. I'm here to tell you that IT CAN BE DONE!

                    I'm also here to tell you that I haven't been this happy, or proud of a personal accomplishment in a long-long time and it feels great. I'm finally living my life as I've always intended and I oh-so love being able to look at myself in the mirror each morning knowing that I am not living a lie anymore. Instead my head and eyes are clear, and I am full of energy and optimism for what challenges are ahead.

                    In that spirit, I Thank You ALL!
                    -Fin
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                    Instructions on posting to Roll Call:

                    Visit https://www.mywayout.org/community/f1...all-68536.html
                    Cut / paste the existing names into a new post and add your Name - Days

                    Go forward boldly and unafraid
                    Achieved Goals: Getting Back to Working on This Project!
                    Goal In Progress...1 YEAR

                    Instructions on posting to Roll Call:

                    Go forward boldly and unafraid

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                      My 30 Day Testimonial - Go forward Boldly and Unafraid

                      Quote:
                      Originally Posted by Byrdlady
                      Nesters, please join me in congratulating Fin for earning his 30 day HAT!!!

                      This is really a huge milestone for us. The decision was made, a plan organized and Day 1 done. We are so proud of you! You bring such optimism and hope in your messages. Here's to a lifetime of sobriety!! If you have a few words as to how you did it, we'd love to hear them. Thank you for being here with us. Well done!! Byrdie
                      -----------------
                      Byrd, you are so good to call out the chicks who are emerging from the nest and on their way toward solo flight on AF wings. Thank You!

                      I owe any success I've had with this last effort (my 4th attempt after a 2 weeks, a 28 day and then a 33 day effort since last fall) to you and other senior members in the nest. I also need to specifically acknowledge Cat, Kuya and K9 for reaching out when I had pretty much given up on ever being successful controlling AL.

                      These folks basically reminded me in various ways that I am a capable person in many other areas of my life and that going AF should be no different. There was also the frank question regarding how committed I really was to living an AF life. This last one really struck a deep nerve and rattled me back to my good senses.

                      I could then see myself in K9 and so respect her dedication to her daughter vs. AL...something I could readily identify with given my own fatherly responsibilities and my past disdain for ever choosing AL over time with them.

                      With this support and the realization that my three previous attempts to moderate would only lead to a future plagued by a quit again / drink again cycle, I finally "saw the light." I came to accept that I cannot moderate, nor do I have any excuse for continuing to drink. It's bad for business, so to speak. This horrible habit has nothing to do with how I want to envision myself, or how I want others to see me.

                      Now, here I am at 30 days again with much more wisdom under my belt for the danger signs that have brought me down in the past. For those of you that have crossed this threshold and beyond on your first try, well done! For those of you like me who have to learn the hard way, just keep at it. If you fail, get right back here and start again until you get it right. I'm here to tell you that IT CAN BE DONE!

                      I'm also here to tell you that I haven't been this happy, or proud of a personal accomplishment in a long-long time and it feels great. I'm finally living my life as I've always intended and I oh-so love being able to look at myself in the mirror each morning knowing that I am not living a lie anymore. Instead my head and eyes are clear, and I am full of energy and optimism for what challenges are ahead.

                      In that spirit, I Thank You ALL!
                      -Fin
                      __________________
                      Instructions on posting to Roll Call:

                      Visit https://www.mywayout.org/community/f1...all-68536.html
                      Cut / paste the existing names into a new post and add your Name - Days

                      Go forward boldly and unafraid
                      Achieved Goals: Getting Back to Working on This Project!
                      Goal In Progress...1 YEAR

                      Instructions on posting to Roll Call:

                      Go forward boldly and unafraid

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                        Upon reaching 30 days AF, I'd like to share some reflections in case they can help those struggling:

                        1) Be honest with yourself. You can lie to everyone else about the amount you drink and whether or not it causes you problems. But don't ever lie to yourself.

                        2) Don't be ashamed of your addiction. Or rather, don't let your shame feed your addiction. Millions of others are in the same shoes as you. There are folks who you think have it together who are struggling with addiction. You are not alone or unique in your addiction. Put it behind you and move forward.

                        3) Let go of the past and don't worry about the future. We all have things we regret. Focus on Now and what you need to get healthy. Take small steps to get where you want to be. The future will sort itself out if you focus on getting healthy now.

                        4) Don't compare yourself to others. You don't know what their journey has been like. Don't tell yourself that you are OK because you drink less than so-and-so. Likewise, don't beat yourself up because another person seems to be be having no trouble quitting. Decide on your goals and what you want from life and make it happen. But keep #1 in mind, too.

                        5) Change what you are doing, but never stop trying to quit. I stopped and started a dozen or more times since January. I tried journaling, I tried being accountable only on here, I tried coming clean to my husband, then my family, and finally close friends. I tried being more active during the witching hour. Finally I decided that I needed to try Antabuse. It's worked but I have a lot of work yet to do.

                        6) Love yourself more than alcohol. You are worthy of a rich, full, healthy life.
                        Well it's all right now. I've learned my lesson well. You see you can't please everyone, so you've got to please yourself.

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                          Upon reaching 30 days AF, I'd like to share some reflections in case they can help those struggling:

                          1) Be honest with yourself. You can lie to everyone else about the amount you drink and whether or not it causes you problems. But don't ever lie to yourself.

                          2) Don't be ashamed of your addiction. Or rather, don't let your shame feed your addiction. Millions of others are in the same shoes as you. There are folks who you think have it together who are struggling with addiction. You are not alone or unique in your addiction. Put it behind you and move forward.

                          3) Let go of the past and don't worry about the future. We all have things we regret. Focus on Now and what you need to get healthy. Take small steps to get where you want to be. The future will sort itself out if you focus on getting healthy now.

                          4) Don't compare yourself to others. You don't know what their journey has been like. Don't tell yourself that you are OK because you drink less than so-and-so. Likewise, don't beat yourself up because another person seems to be be having no trouble quitting. Decide on your goals and what you want from life and make it happen. But keep #1 in mind, too.

                          5) Change what you are doing, but never stop trying to quit. I stopped and started a dozen or more times since January. I tried journaling, I tried being accountable only on here, I tried coming clean to my husband, then my family, and finally close friends. I tried being more active during the witching hour. Finally I decided that I needed to try Antabuse. It's worked but I have a lot of work yet to do.

                          6) Love yourself more than alcohol. You are worthy of a rich, full, healthy life.
                          Well it's all right now. I've learned my lesson well. You see you can't please everyone, so you've got to please yourself.

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                            Amazing Truths...

                            I had some thoughts as well, sharing them here....

                            I am struck by a couple of thoughts this morning... there are some amazing TRUTHS to be found on this site....they are hard to swallow at first, but once you do you can see them.

                            * We all sought out this site because we have serious problems with AL. That's the easy statement. I will go on to say that I have yet to see someone come here that wasn't an ALK. Ouch. That even hurts me to say, but accepting that truth is important.

                            * One drink won't do any of us any good. That is THE BIG LIE. Don't do it. It leads you back down the rabbit hole and into the depths of Alco-hell. (thanks 199days)

                            * You will NOT get over being an ALK. It's a lifelong party and we got an invitation. No, you cannot moderate addiction.

                            * The folks who succeed here do a couple things: Adopt a Zero Tolerance Policy towards AL and they post often. They check in here every day. It is important to keep this forward in our minds, because society tells us the exact opposite.

                            * Accept responsibility for your disease. This wasn't caused by anyone else, it's the perfect storm of circumstances....it is what it is...now we must adjust our sails to deal with it. AND, no one else can cause you to fall. It is YOUR hand that picks up that glass.

                            *THE GOOD NEWS: Everything goes better in life when you are clear to let it happen. Decisions are made more easily because you have more information upon which to make them! The future looks brighter and is full of hope! YES you CAN live without AL the rest of your life, because you are proving that right now!

                            *Don't let fear keep you from being free. This is a biggie. When you prepare for situations, there is nothing to fear. You are NOT operating without a net, you are operating with a clear head and heart. For us, one drink sends us back to the world of guilt/shame/remorse. Don't let the Fear of failing stop you from trying.

                            * Use this site like a lab experiment. I would dare to say, that any circumstance you would dream up has been dealt with over the course of the seven years this site has been around. Dive in and find out how your situation turned out. Like anything else in life, you get out of this site what you put in....the more you dig in, the more value you find.

                            Go out and make it a great day, nesters!! Byrdie

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                              Amazing Truths...

                              I had some thoughts as well, sharing them here....

                              I am struck by a couple of thoughts this morning... there are some amazing TRUTHS to be found on this site....they are hard to swallow at first, but once you do you can see them.

                              * We all sought out this site because we have serious problems with AL. That's the easy statement. I will go on to say that I have yet to see someone come here that wasn't an ALK. Ouch. That even hurts me to say, but accepting that truth is important.

                              * One drink won't do any of us any good. That is THE BIG LIE. Don't do it. It leads you back down the rabbit hole and into the depths of Alco-hell. (thanks 199days)

                              * You will NOT get over being an ALK. It's a lifelong party and we got an invitation. No, you cannot moderate addiction.

                              * The folks who succeed here do a couple things: Adopt a Zero Tolerance Policy towards AL and they post often. They check in here every day. It is important to keep this forward in our minds, because society tells us the exact opposite.

                              * Accept responsibility for your disease. This wasn't caused by anyone else, it's the perfect storm of circumstances....it is what it is...now we must adjust our sails to deal with it. AND, no one else can cause you to fall. It is YOUR hand that picks up that glass.

                              *THE GOOD NEWS: Everything goes better in life when you are clear to let it happen. Decisions are made more easily because you have more information upon which to make them! The future looks brighter and is full of hope! YES you CAN live without AL the rest of your life, because you are proving that right now!

                              *Don't let fear keep you from being free. This is a biggie. When you prepare for situations, there is nothing to fear. You are NOT operating without a net, you are operating with a clear head and heart. For us, one drink sends us back to the world of guilt/shame/remorse. Don't let the Fear of failing stop you from trying.

                              * Use this site like a lab experiment. I would dare to say, that any circumstance you would dream up has been dealt with over the course of the seven years this site has been around. Dive in and find out how your situation turned out. Like anything else in life, you get out of this site what you put in....the more you dig in, the more value you find.

                              Go out and make it a great day, nesters!! Byrdie

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                                This site is confusing to me. I don't know where to go to ask which works the best and has fewest side effects, Topamax or Baclofen. I have the L-glutamine, Kudzu, and stuff for brain repair, but evidently need the CD's and medication plus ???? Can someone tell me where to start?

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