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    Fly....settle in, this is going to be a long post! In November 2010, I went to a rhuemitologist for arthritis (I'm 51). They did a battery of tests...a couple days later his office calls and says I have Hemochromotosis....too much iron in my blood. I said, 'that sounds like a good thing!'. Instead, it's the equivalent of having heavy metal poisoning in your major organs. With that news, I stopped taking every med I could because I know they are all metabolised in the liver.(as is AL, but I wasn't going to give THAT up). One of the pills I stopped taking was Cymbalta. I started on it after hurricane Katrina, I couldn't get those horrible images out of my head and cried all the time, so I asked my Dr and he gave them to me. I just took them...and next thing you know 5 years had gone by. About a week and a half after I stopped them cold turkey, I got flu like symptoms, nausea, vomiting, felt like hell. 3 days later, I'm sitting at work and my pulse starts racing! I start sweating profusely and uncontrollable shaking in my arms and legs. I got hubs to take me to my dr who sent me to the ER. Drug withdrawls! They gave me that stuff they give dang herion addicts!! I am like June Cleaver or the girl next door!! So drug withdrawls was nuts to me! Well, it turns out you aren't supposed to stop taking it cold turkey. So that was one lesson learned. The cure for hemochromotosis is a series of having blood taken out...so over the next few months there was all that, and a balancing act between too much ferritin in my blood (800) and amenia from having the blood removed. What a nightmare, and from all this my liver readings were off the charts too, so I was going to every specialist in the book. 3 of the 5 wanted a liver biopsy. This is about the time that i woke up to reality...I could keep drinking and die of cirrosis (I can't spell, sorry) or stop and try to go it without my best friend. I was on 3 blood pressure meds at this time too. Everything was wrong, and I had no where to go but up. Around this same time...the Cymbalta was leaving my system...my mood became better and brighter. I woke up one morning about 6 weeks after stopping it...and it was like when Dorothy from Wizard of Oz opened that door from black and white to color!! It was an amazing difference. I had been totally numbing myself with that and AL. Every day that passed without Cymbalta was better, moodwide. I was flabbergasted that I felt so much brighter. That's when I made the decision to stop AL too. So on Jan, 20, 2011...a Thursday. I did. 3 weeks later more blood work and still bad readings, liver, kidneys and blood....Now get this...first of April, more blood work...my ferritin down from 800 (150 is normal) to 67! My liver and kidney functions, right on normal...I gradually weaned off of first one BP medicine and finally now I'm off all of them. Back in January, I went to the eye dr and got a new RX for glasses...I went back last week and the dr said, 'I don't understand how this could happen...your vision has IMPROVED 5 steps since January!' That Cymbalta, along with my drinking was absolutely killing me! These 2 things were burning out my liver!!! So since January...off 3 BP meds, eyes improved, lost 9 pounds...and am AL free. My blood work is stellar.
    What is the point of this story? (and not a moment too soon) Try to get yourself off that anti depressant...Dr's give them out like candy. I bet you'll feel 110% better without them. They just do something to your head that's not good...plus the AL! Just see if you are better...if not, you can always go back on. But you will not ever catch me taking another one! When I had those awful withdrawls I googled 'cymbalta withdrawls' and you wouldn't believe the hundreds of people who are mad as hell that they were put on it! and not told how hard it is to get off it!! So google what you are taking and see what the deal is with it. Sometimes I am my worst own enemy....and this was one of those times. What a boob...I shoulda never just kept taking it for all those years!
    The fewer pills I take, the better I feel....now go figure! If i ever write a book (close, with this post) it'll be called 'Side Effects'. xo, Byrdie
    All you gotta do, is get thru this day. AF 1/20/2011
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      Byrdie, I am not surprised that 4 of us have ET. I have read that 5% of the population has it and I'll bet many of them have used alcohol to self medicate. Some doctors suggest it in moderation. I am 53 and can't remember not having it. I really need to work on this in my plan. It is diffucult to go to functions with the shakes knowing that if I have a glass of wine I won't have to deal with it. Peoplle think you are nervous or on drugs. It is more acceptable to drink than shake, go figure.

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        4me....I was very self -conscience about shaking too. I even had a customer ask my boss about it. The more you think about it the worse they get too! Nuts! Primidone has helped me tremendously. It stopped them. I've had them for years, but I studied as a dental hygienist, so my hand was very steady back then and into my 30's...steadily over the years (tremor joke) it has gotten worse. That is just amazing that 4 of us have this very embarrassing and troubling problem on TOP of AL. Mine is just in my hands thank god, not my head (altho some may say I have some marbles loose up there). Byrdie
        All you gotta do, is get thru this day. AF 1/20/2011
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          Right there with ya with the loose marbles Byrdie :H

          Oddly, mine is in my left hand, not my right & sometimes you can detect it in my voice ~ especially if I am feeling stressed! The tremor started when I was 30. Shortly after I injured my left hand while handling a large, stupid dog we had at the time. Being a left handed person with a swollen & bruised left hand, I still needed to go to work, etc. I did the self-care thing then forced myself to write (print actually) with my right hand. So I stuck with using my right hand & just observed the tremor slowly but surely get worse over the years. My Mom had it too so I know where this came from. I honestly think it bothers other people more than it bothers me. Honestly, people just need to mind their own damn business.....especially those who don't have a clue.....
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          NF since 05/19/09
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            When I went to my family practice DO 10 days ago to discuss the MWO approach,(and I had pre-armed the doc), I was expecting to discuss the off-label drugs like topomax and baclofen. But, noooo..he says I drink because I/m anxious and/or depressed so here's a script for Lexapro. Geez...HELLO??? What part of "I am an alcoholic" are you not getting?
            When I got home and researched Lexapro I said "no way". I just dropped off another packet of stuff prior to my follow up appointment with the doc...told him I was neither anxious or depressed and I would not be taking Lexapro, but here's some meds that are being used to help alkies to get off the sauce, so let's talk about those. When, I see him on the 10th to go over my blood work (ought to be fairly sobering), I will tell him I have ordered it (should already have it) and see if he's going to help me out or not.
            I'm gonna wait and see what he says and where I'm at. I'll be topping 3 weeks at that point, and if the supplements and the exercise and the hypno is getting it done, than I may just have something to flush down the toilet.
            When I ordered them 10 days ago, I was just two days into my second stab at this, and my soggy brain says I needed all 4 steps. Not so sure now!
            Very productive day off....did some de-cluttering...still intending on getting the boat and all of the crap we hang onto cannot go!
            Great posts today...Thanks Clover/Fly/4ME/Nova/Take2,,,and of course Thank You Byrdie and Lav for being here for us newbies...You are SO appreciated! :h
            -Cap'n G

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              Greg,
              FYI - I willingly took Lexapro for several years because I WAS anxious, depressed & drinking.
              I ended up numb & still drinking - wouldn't recommend it, honestly. You certainly do not sound like a depressed or anxious individual so give your Doc a pass on that Rx. It's a shame that Docs won't take 10 minutes to read something & possibly learn something new
              AF since 03/26/09
              NF since 05/19/09
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                I'm with you on the Lexapro Lav....funny how the docs are so quick to write up a script for anti-depressants, even when there's no indication of depression, yet asking for some help with what is clearly the issue (AL) is like pulling teeth!
                I really don't want to self-medicate (not a very good track record with that!), so wanted the doc to give his blessing to the MWO approach. We'll see what he says on the 10th...I know already my cholesterol is off the charts, so the thought of Topomax helping with that was intriguing, I just need to keep researching and asking for Divine Guidance...so far so good with the 3 pronged approach!
                -Cap'n G

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                  Gregorino,

                  Just read your post -- funny, how sometimes docs just don't get it. I would argue that almost all of the aa literature and materials from recovering addicts state the opposite of your doc's postion. We don't drink b/c we're depressed --- alcoholics are depressed because they drink. Alcohol is a depressant. How the heck can you know if you are suffering from depression when your system is still pumping out junk adn trying to find balance from the detox process?

                  Sorry, but I forget how many days you are AF --- maybe 12-14? Sometimes the depression we feel at this point in sobriety is fatigue due to sugar levels being out of whack - have the doc check that out.

                  We all sought a solution in a bottle for one reason or another and then the bottle got us. IIMHO, work on abstinence first - try 3-4 weeks sober, and then read about emotional sobriety/recovery and the possible need for meds like lexapro. Docs give that an xanax out like candy....

                  peace to you.

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                    Just a quickie...a really interesting programme on BBC Radio 4 this week about addiction to prescription drugs (anti depressants)....on the increase HUGELY in the UK...only 2 centres in the country dealing with it...govt and doctors not admitting/dealing with it...hypnosis/acupuncture/counselling/diet and nutrition being used to support withdrawal etc.....some of the stories really shocking....compared symptoms with that of alcohol and heroin addiction.......
                    ...peace and quiet....and a cup of tea.....heaven:h

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                      Wishing all Nesters a safe night in the Nest

                      Lav
                      AF since 03/26/09
                      NF since 05/19/09
                      Success comes one day at a time :thumbs:

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                        I wanted to get on here earlier, but we had company for dinner. Only two glasses of wine this evening, so that is good. My husbands brother and wife came over with a cake to celebrate our 36th wedding aniversary, actually it was on Friday.

                        Byrdie, you are funny. I am glad you have a sense of humor about ET. I hate it, but there are worse things for sure.

                        Lav, you are right people need to get a clue, we are all different. Thank goodness!

                        Greg, I think you need a new family doc, one who listens. Let me know how it works for you when you do get it. Good luck.


                        Good night all

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                          Good Monday morning Nesters!

                          Another day of heat & humidity & hiding in the AC in store :H

                          Wishing everyone a great AF Monday!

                          Lav
                          AF since 03/26/09
                          NF since 05/19/09
                          Success comes one day at a time :thumbs:

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                            Joining the Newbeies Nest here! Today is my day 3 AF. I feel like my mood over there shows. I have some medical issues (outside of this stopping drinking) that I am dealing with this week - so will pop in an out and READ. Ready to take this journey!
                            Put your hands over your heart - and tell yourself that you are going to guard this essence of who you are with everything. Alcohol opens us up to darkness and depression instantly. You choose love today. Guard it by keeping the poison out of your body. It IS poison.



                            NF - May 2, 2013 (cig free Jan. 25, 2013)
                            AF - July 31, 2013
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                              Day 14

                              Morning Monday Nestillians!

                              Take2 - Thanks for the insights...Yeah, that's pretty much the plan right now...I won't see the doc again until the 10th, and presuming continued sobriety, that'll be 3+ weeks...Funny thing is I never said a word about depression/anxiety to my doc, I told him I was/is an alcoholic and needed some help with that. HE decided I was drinking because I was either anxious or depressed and handed me the Laxapro script.

                              Hi QueenBug! I had some good experiences with acupuncture in the past, including getting a good liver detox. May do it again in a few weeks...

                              4Me - Yeah, I'm gonna go back to the doc for my blood work results and give him another shot to help me out through initial recovery. I emailed a half dozen "recovery specialists" in my area asking about off-label meds for anti-craving and did not get a single response - thinking maybe they're afraid to say they will in writing. So, that's why I ordered my own! But have gone two weeks on 3 legs, so that may be fine to stay on that tack,,,

                              Lav - I am visualizing Himalayan glaciers for you! I live in Florida, so we get pretty used to it, but it does seem that the heat is much worse farther north this summer.

                              Have a stellar Monday gang!
                              -Cap'n G

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                                Hi Rita! Welcome to the Nest....stick around, there's good stuff for you here!
                                -Cap'n G

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