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    #31
    November Navigators ~ AF Week Four

    Ok. This post is in honor of our Dill and Red as I am generally about as spiritual as a brick. I chanced upon the following quote years ago in the prologue to a science fiction book and liked it very much. Very interesting fellow unknown to me before this (priest, philosopher, paleontologist etc). In case you haven?t seen it:

    The masters of the spiritual life incessantly repeat that God wants only souls. To give those words their true value, we must not forget that the human soul, however independently created our philosophy represents it as being, is inseparable, in its birth and in its growth, from the universe into which it is born?. It is we who, through our own activity, must industriously assemble the widely scattered elements. The labor of seaweed as it concentrates in its tissues the substances scattered, in infinitesimal quantities, throughout the vast layers of ocean; the industry of bees as they make honey from the juices broadcast in so many flowers--these are but pale images of the ceaseless working-over that all the forces of the universe undergo in us in order to reach the level of spirit. Thus, every man, in the course of his life?makes his own soul throughout his earthly days; and at the same time he collaborates in another work?the completing of the world.
    --From The Divine Milieu by Teilhard De Chardin, 1960

    Thanks you two for keeping us thinking and reflecting on the existential aspects of recovery. Love, Ladybird.
    may we be well

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      #32
      November Navigators ~ AF Week Four

      LBH, what a lovely description of the soul, a part of the universe, and made to reflect on each individual life, our choices, thoughts, actions. We are all connected to each other and everything in the world. We can beat this alcohol problem with honesty, determination, hard work, and support and encouragement.

      MM, am hopeful that you are right back to your AF plan. We are here to support you. Hope you feel better tomorrow. Anything we can do to help?
      Redhibiscus
      ______________________________

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        #33
        November Navigators ~ AF Week Four

        Awwww, how wonderful to be here at the end of a CRAPtastic drive home after an 11, yes, ELEVEN-hour day! Thanks for all your kind words to me, friends. I was feeling a little :nutso:

        My brain did a little "cocktail chant" as I sat in the traffic (just lasted a minute) and now I am safely home in cozy jammies drinking...you guessed it...sparkling water! That habitual brain is a bitch. Perhaps we should call it the habitchual-brain! :H

        Twenty lashes with a wet noodle for you, MM. Oh no, I am SO kidding! (Where the hell did that phrase come from anyway??) Grab a chaise lounge, girl. You'll be feeling mighty again very soon. Bet somewhere inside you, you do know why you chose to drink last night. Habit, I made the weekend, I deserve it, just because, sounds good, etc. Like you said, you're learning. Treat it like an experiment. Sometimes they blow up in our face...but hopefully, you don't get burned too bad when it happens. So glad you're here and caring for yourself again today!

        Group hug: SQQQQUUUIIIISSSSHHHH!

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          #34
          November Navigators ~ AF Week Four

          Wanted to say good night to all and thanks for the support. Lodestar, I was a bit of a wet noodle today!
          LBH, beautiful quote..We are all connected..in ways that are beyond understanding....but we can feel it.

          Lav, Damn is right..I bought the wine!...Damn, damn, damn. usually don't have anything in
          the house.

          Good night, and hugs back to you all. MM

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            #35
            November Navigators ~ AF Week Four

            Ahoy, Matey's!

            Another day for us. We get to choose again, how we will live it! Let's choose well.

            LBH, thank you for that beautiful quote. Understanding the soul as part of a collective universe is something I have been working on since reading the Tolle book. Well, before that, too. It is so easy to be ego centric and feel apart from the universe. And Red, your application of the concept that we are all connected and that "We can beat this alcohol problem with honesty, determination, hard work, and support and encouragement." is so true. I am struck that first word in your list, before all others, was 'honesty'. This is key to the process for me, for all of us.

            Lodestar, 11 hours?! OMG! Is that common for you? I just don't know if I could do that. Well done on staying sober!

            Going to bed sober and waking up refreshed is such a gift!

            Lav, you got my mouth watering for veggie beef soup. I shall fill my crockpot before leaving for work today!
            Dill

            Dont forget, you can: start late, start over, be unsure, try and fail AND STILL SUCCEED!

            If it is important to you, you will find a way. If not, you will find an excuse.

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              #36
              November Navigators ~ AF Week Four

              Lav, Damn is right..I bought the wine!...Damn, damn, damn. usually don't have anything in
              the house
              MM-You are taking responsibility for your drinking. Using no excuses. That is a good sign of growth. Good for you. When I got those urges, I used a tool that other people on here have used. 'Playing the tape all the way to the end' If I buy the bottle I won't have just one drink I will drink it all, I don't get that high anymore so what's the point, ect. all the way to the end. Glad to have you back on board! This isn't easy but it's doable. And you can do it.

              LHB-I loved your description of the soul and the universe. The fact that we are on this forum, from all over the world, and yet united in this battle against alcohol, is just one example of how we are all connected.

              Lodster-Good for you on resisting the 'cocktail' chant! Especially after a long (11 hrs?) hard, day! Keep it up, you're doing great.

              Sooty-I am sending you some virtual wading boots! I started watching the weather after your last few post and you guys are really getting slammed! Is there any relief in sight to the rain?

              Finding-How are you doing? Ready for Thanksgiving?

              Okay, I know I am probably cross posting with my other time zone buddies. Who is it going to be? Red? Lav? or Dill?

              Hello to all my shipmates and have a great af day!
              AF since 7/26/2009




              "There is nothing noble in being superior to other man. The true nobility is being superior to your previous self."--Hindu proverb.

              "Sobriety isn't a landing but rather a journey." anonymous

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                #37
                November Navigators ~ AF Week Four

                And the winner is Dill!!! :H Hi Dill cross-post
                AF since 7/26/2009




                "There is nothing noble in being superior to other man. The true nobility is being superior to your previous self."--Hindu proverb.

                "Sobriety isn't a landing but rather a journey." anonymous

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                  #38
                  November Navigators ~ AF Week Four

                  Good morning friends!

                  I'm right behind you Lil & Dill

                  LBH, your quote is quite thought provoking & reminds me why I am so grateful to have found MWO! I have gathered many friends & much support here to assist me on my journey - thank you everyone!

                  MM, last March I made a solemn vow to never step foot in a liquor/wine store again & so far I haven't. I felt is was a necessary step to ensure my success.........think about it! Life goes on just fine without a bottle of wine in the house, trust me

                  Lodestar, when I hit 45 I realized there was no way I could endure the 12 & even 16 hours shifts anymore.......they were literally killing me. I was so overtired I couldn't wind down, sleep properly. That was when I started consuming a bottle of wine each night in hopes it would just knock me out. Please take care of yourself!

                  Red, it's so true - honesty, in my book is vital for success in any endeavor!

                  Well, I have some work things to do this morning & catching up on housework this afternoon. The Twins left a load of dog hair behind! Bless their hearts

                  Have a terrific Tuesday!

                  Lav
                  AF since 03/26/09
                  NF since 05/19/09
                  Success comes one day at a time :thumbs:

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                    #39
                    November Navigators ~ AF Week Four

                    Good Morning!!

                    Sooty-Yikes...that's scary, all that rain...our little town flooded back in 2007...what a mess...still every time it rains int he spring I get worried it's going to happen again!! Be safe!!

                    LBH-I liked the quote as well. I believe that honesty is probably the biggest key to overcoming this hurdle we have placed in front of ourselves!! Jumping together sure makes it easier and feels so much safer!!

                    Dill--I want to hear the Turkey song!!! I go into Kindergarten this afternoon...I'd love to do it with them!!! It's hard to have a "bad day" when you're around smiling, singing kids, huh?!?!! And it really helps to deal with them with a CLEAR HEAD!!! LOL!!!

                    Lav--I'm with you...inthe last two weeks I haven't stepped foot into a liquor store or even int o a gas station for that matter (they sell beer there)...I pay at the pump Just safer that way for now....although there is NO WAY I would buy alcohol and drink it at home with my son there, not after our talk...I would never do that him!!! And since I never "go out"...this past two weeks hasn't been all that hard....I think the Topa REALLY helps tho!!!

                    Lodestar--Great job on resisting...I know how hard that can be...when you just want to come home and "unwind"....GOOD FOR YOU!!!:goodjob:

                    Lil-Do you have big Thanksgiving plans?? Gonna show off that new remodeling of yours?? Did you ever have a problem or fear of telling family "no thanks, I don't care for a drink?"....I'm kinda worrying about Thanksgiving at my moms!!!

                    MM--I agree, not having AL in the house is the best!! Now to just drive past those pesky stores when they call out your name as you drive by...dang it....crank up the music!!!:H

                    To anyone else I missed...I apologize!!! I better get movin'...I have a class first thing this morning!! Hope everyone has a Terrific Tuesday!!!
                    SD:l
                    "Do not follow where the path may lead. Go instead where there is no path and leave a trail."

                    6/18/11--7/3/12
                    7/29/12

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                      #40
                      November Navigators ~ AF Week Four

                      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAIbwodgoU8[/video]]YouTube - The Turkey Song (A Funny Thanksgiving Song by Bryant Oden, Songdrops.com

                      Here you go SD.
                      AF since 7/26/2009




                      "There is nothing noble in being superior to other man. The true nobility is being superior to your previous self."--Hindu proverb.

                      "Sobriety isn't a landing but rather a journey." anonymous

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                        #41
                        November Navigators ~ AF Week Four

                        Thanks Lil...I'll have to watch it when I get home....everything at my work is blocked!!! I can't wait to hear it!!
                        "Do not follow where the path may lead. Go instead where there is no path and leave a trail."

                        6/18/11--7/3/12
                        7/29/12

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                          #42
                          November Navigators ~ AF Week Four

                          Hi Mates. Midmorning here and letting ingredients warm up in the kitchen a bit in preparation for making winter squash bread. I am hosting Thanksgiving here for ten adults (my table?s limit as long as the guests really like each other) and it will be a regional Native American and Hispanic meal of a grilled pork, green chile stew, chicken enchiladas, new crop beans, the squash bread, red chile tortillas, various salsas and guacamole, and apple tarts. Hungry? I shall have sparkling cider, tonic, club soda, and alcohol free beer on hand. People will bring alcohol and that?s fine with me; if they don?t carry it away at the end I will pour it out. Mighty Mouse, it is only very recently that I have stopped keeping alcohol in the house for guests and this has been a big adjustment for my self image. I have always liked being a host and have always kept a wide variety of special treats including alcohol for any occasion. Nobody who comes here has a problem with it other than me and I feel a little embarrassed and exposed to make this change. The holidays are a challenge. Let?s keep our priorities on target, our eye on the prize (we are the prize:l). Love, Ladybird.
                          may we be well

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                            #43
                            November Navigators ~ AF Week Four

                            Hello to all,
                            Lil, thanks for the advice. I will practice runnning the entire tape in my head. I
                            usually stop at the beginning.

                            Lav, I too started relying on wine to go to sleep and turn my brain off inmy 40's. The past 5 years have been extremely hard...Taking sole care of my elderly mother and all her needs and medical while she suffered and slowly deteriorated. Along with my 3 beautiful children to care for. My days were never ending and emotional baggage was very high.
                            My mom passed last fall and I just recently feel a sense of freedom and a longing to take my life back..Don't know if I could have made it through all of it with out the wine. That has been my only medication. So I think Ii am more emotionally addicted than physically.
                            I am thankful for MWO because it is helping me to regain myself.. After the first 2 weeks here, racking up many AF days I was euphoric...but now I realize it is going to be a bit more work.

                            LBH, You are sounding good. I like to be that sweet hostess too.

                            My 2 college children are coming home today and I have been busy making everything homey for them. I also have 1 in high school and am looking forward to a nice dinner tonight and catch up. They are so sweet and funny.
                            I don't know how often I will get on line for the rest of the week. There will be alot of activity and we are going out of town for Thanksgiving. But I will try whenever possible.

                            Happy Thanksgiving to all my USA friends and I know that I will be giving thanks for everyone at MWO! Love MM

                            ,

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                              #44
                              November Navigators ~ AF Week Four

                              I got some really good news today and just wanted to share.

                              My oldest daughter's BF of 6 yrs was diagnosed with cancer a couple of months ago. He has started chemotherapy. We didn't make any plans for Thanksgiving this year because we didn't know how he would be feeling or if he would be up to traveling.

                              I got a call from her this morning and she wanted to know, provided we didn't have other plans, if it would be okay for they came out for Thanksgiving. (Are you kidding me!) It seems her BF chemo has gone much, much better than the Docs were expecting. He has months of treatments but for now he has been giving the okay to travel.

                              I am so happy, happy, happy!!! I've cleaned the house, made out a menu and been to the grocery store. Tomorrow I will start cooking and finishing up last minute things.

                              I would not have been able to pull things together for a surprise visit if I were still drinking the way I was a year ago. It just wouldn't have been possible.

                              This Thanksgiving, I truly do have so much to be thankful for.
                              AF since 7/26/2009




                              "There is nothing noble in being superior to other man. The true nobility is being superior to your previous self."--Hindu proverb.

                              "Sobriety isn't a landing but rather a journey." anonymous

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                                #45
                                November Navigators ~ AF Week Four

                                Evening friends,

                                Lil, that is good news indeed! Best wishes for a wonderful Thanksgiving, you deserve it

                                MM, enjoy your time with your kids as well. It's so nice to pull everyone together for the Holiday!

                                LBH, you may find me lurking outside your kitchen window - you menu sounds very interesting

                                SD, hello to you - you are still the busiest person I know!!

                                Have we heard from the ship's captain lately? I sure hope the rain ends soon in Sooty's neighborhood!!

                                I did some needed cleaning today - will do more tomorrow. I vacuumed loads of dog hair, washed dog lick off of my French doors,...............dog, dog, dog!!!!

                                Wishing everyone a good night. I lit a fire to help ward off the dampness so I think I'll just sit awhile
                                AF since 03/26/09
                                NF since 05/19/09
                                Success comes one day at a time :thumbs:

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