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    Hello everyone

    I've been lurking quite a while on the site and after reading a lot of posts (which have been a big help and encouragement to me) I am not even sure if I should be posting on here.

    I have been a very heavy drinker for some years, drinking most days, then for the last few years drinking pretty much every day (and for the last 18 months, definitely every single day). My father is an alcoholic, and I certainly seem to have inherited his ability to drink large amounts of alcohol.... because I seemed to lack the will power to stop after one drink, or one bottle, like other people seem to, I just assume I am an alcoholic as well. I am confused though, because although for some years I would always open a second bottle of wine (and drink at least 1/4 of it, sometimes 3/4 of it, rarely the whole lot), I used to open the _first_ bottle out of habit, not out of craving. (Oh of course, sometimes after a big day at work, like so many people, I might come home and say "I NEED a drink!") but in general I opened it because I knew I would enjoy the relaxing swimmy feeling, not because I just had to. I hope I am explaining myself. Please, I am not making excuses for why I drank, I am just trying to be really honest.

    But then last year one of my sons, who has been a barely-functioning alcoholic for some years (he can't work, he just sits there drinking all day) decided he would stop. He instantly had a serious bout of psychosis where he hallucinated really badly for days. He was taken to hospital by police after being picked up in the street. He was kept in for a couple of days, did not disclose the fact that he was an alcoholic, they sent him home and a couple of days later he had an epileptic fit. This time he got some counselling, but within a few weeks he was back on the booze again.

    Anyway, what I am trying to say is that I read up a huge amount when he was so ill, and realised that I am caught in a similar trap. For the last year, I have been utterly sick of drinking every night, and really wanting to stop, believe me. While his drinking habits and mine are absolutely different (I drink only after 9pm at night and hold down a fairly high powered job, he drinks all day and cannot or will not work because he won't try to give up) I am terrified to give up for fear of something similar happening to me.

    I decided about 6 months ago, when I first strarted reading posts on this site, to cut back gradually. I tried the doctor but she refused medications and wanted to put me in detox. Not an option for me, I am the breadwinner here. I can't buy some of the supps (Kudzo, for a start) so I decided I have to go this alone. Since the middle of the year I have been making conscious efforts to cut down, and I have cut back gradually with the ultimate aim of stopping completely by 1 Jan. (Just because it will be a nice point at which to stop totally and change my life). I have been doing it really determinedly over the last month, so I have now gone from drinking just one bottle a night, now for over two weeks have been drinking just one third of a bottle each night. Last night I started cutting down to having only one ordinary 'pub' measure, just one ordinary glass which I reckon is about 1/4 of a bottle, or maybe 1/5. Anyway my point is that I am trying to do it really gradually so I don't risk having a seizure which is what I am so scared about.

    I am really a bit frustrated because I would really like to just stop now, and not have anymore because I have just had enough of this! I have been so lucky in that I have not had one single symptom of withdrawal at all, and no cravings at all. I did read the piece about tapering, but I can't face the taste of beer so that is why I am trying to do it this way.

    This is why I am worried that you will not really want me on this site, but I do hope that nobody is offended about me posting as I really would like some advice and support, and I am nervous about how I will be once I really have given up completely.

    Mandalay

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    Mandalay,

    Welcome and of course you are allowed to post here. You are doing magnificently. Tapering down is very difficult. Something I could never do. Once I had that one drink, others came quickly.

    If you are down to 1/5 of a bottle of wine and it is a regular bottle, not the 1.7 L one, you are down to one drink a day. There are 5 glasses of wine in a bottle of wine.

    If you feel like you need to taper further, drink half of that for a few days.

    At that point, I imagine you can stop completely and safely.

    I am no doctor, though, but 1 glass of wine a day is not very much.

    Again, congratulations on working so diligently to get where you are and I am glad you are here.

    Cindi
    AF April 9, 2016

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      :welcome: Mandalay,

      Of course you can post on here.

      Huge congratulations on being able to cut down so successfully.

      We're here to support each other to hang on to our sobriety, whether you're AF (alcohol free) or struggling.

      Hope we see a lot more of you.

      J x
      It could be worse, I could be filing.
      AF since 7/7/2009

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        Hi Mandalay,

        Welcome to MWO!
        You have done a great job so far! I really can't imagine that you would have any withdrawal troubles now.

        So sorry that your son is so troubled. Perhaps he will see your progress & want to follow suit.

        Please feel free to drop in the 'Newbies Nest' thread & let us know how you are doing. We'll be happy to help in any way we an.

        Wishing you the best on your journey!

        Lav
        AF since 03/26/09
        NF since 05/19/09
        Success comes one day at a time :thumbs:

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          Mandalay,

          Can I add my welcomes too!!

          I am not a medical person, butt my gut reaction is that if you have been tapering down successfully with no ill effects, then you are unlikely to get any when you completely stop. That is not to say that there may be a big mental battle that you need to prepare for!

          There will be lots of people on here stopping from now on until Jan 1 ....... and they will be on all sorts of threads!! Download the book and have a read. This community has been a god-send for me and you will find lots of other people who you share lots in common with.

          There is a thread called the "Next Day Thread" which is mostly Aussies, but also a smattering of kiwis, saffas, and other down under types. Feel free to join us ....... but there are lots of other daily and weekly threads which have their own "culture" (eg; Army, Newbies Nest, ODAT etc etc). Read around and find a thread that feels good for you and then just bust your way on in!! You will be welcomed with open arms i can assure you! I've found that having a "home" has been great for making progress and i feel that I have made great friends here
          Never give up, for that is just the place and time that the tide will turn

          Harriet Beecher Stowe

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            Hello Cinders, JackieClare, Lavande and Miss Behaving

            Thank you so much for your welcome messages, I feel much better about having posted it now. I am so grateful for your encouragement, especially about the help there is in other threads on here. I am definitely worried that, despite how easy it has been for me so far to get to this point, I may find it really hard to remain AF and it's great to know that I have people out there in the same boat.

            Cinders - no, it's just a regular bottle. My husband opened it and had a couple of glasses on Christmas Day - I had one glass last night, and unbelievably, it is still sitting there on the dining table with at least another glassful in it, plus there is a half empty bottle of white in the fridge. It's something that would never have happened before over the last 15 years and I am so incredibly relieved but really scared - I have taken a lot of courage by reading what you guys have said to me today. It is so hard going it alone isn't it.

            Thank you all so much for your support, it has meant so much to me already.

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              Hello Mandalay, you are more than welcome to join us. There are no barriers or will judgements be made. We are all here because of the same thing.
              Keep safe
              KTAB
              Ethanol is a toxic chemical, why would I drink it?

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                Hi Mandalay,
                I'm so glad you decided to join and post. I've got a feeling you're going to do really well, since you've already made such a consistent effort over an extended period of time.
                Just a quick note about standard drink units. In Australia you will almost ALWAYS find the amount of standard alcohol units contained within a bottle on the reverse side of that bottle. For example, a bottle of Smirnoff Vodka 700ml = 22 standard drinks (believe me..... I should know :H) Wine is a lot trickier and harder to standardise because of the variability of the grapes, and hence the end product. It can even vary between seasons for exactly the same product ! So your bottle of wine could be 3-4 standards per bottle for low alcohol prods .....up to 8 or 9 units per bottle for others. Really important to check the back of the bottle.
                Anyway, enough babble. Why don't you whip over to the Next Day Thread in 'General Discussion', where you will no doubt realise that you are ANYTHING but alone in this. Some comfort at this point.
                You've been really sensible to taper slowly and consistently. I'd bet you've vastly decreased your risk of seizure.
                Bridget
                If your 8 year old self met you, would they be proud?
                Rejoined life 20/5/19

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                  Mandy, welcome. I have sent you a PM (personal message). Mandy, join us on The Next Day Thread. You will be welcomed with open arms. You will find the thread in the General Discussion part of the forum.
                  Feb 04 2009 80 days AF.
                  AF May 23 09 to July 09
                  AF December 16, 09 FORWARD.

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                    Mandy, Bridge and I are part of TND (The Next Day) thread and she has welcomed you as well. Bridge is not normally so serious. Far from it, so don't let it put you off.
                    Feb 04 2009 80 days AF.
                    AF May 23 09 to July 09
                    AF December 16, 09 FORWARD.

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                      Mandy, as for tapering, you do what you feel your body is telling you. You shouldn't instantly think you are going to have withdrawls for example. I never did and I drank 2 litres of wine a day. Only YOU know what is happening within you. We are all different, so don't take what other people say as the rule. In my experience, if you think healthy you will be healthy.
                      Feb 04 2009 80 days AF.
                      AF May 23 09 to July 09
                      AF December 16, 09 FORWARD.

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                        Hello

                        Thank you again for more messages. I have had a couple of tries at replying (private time is a bit limited this week for obvious reasons) and when I hit 'send' it told me I wasn't logged in! (I had been, so no idea why!) Anyway here goes again.

                        Yes, I hadn't been looking at the number of standard drinks on the back of the bottle, I had only been going by the fact that I had cut down to just one glass. Obviously I was aware that some wine is stronger than others, but thank you, I had not equated that with it affecting the number of standard drinks. I am a bit disappointed as I hadn't done quite as well as I thought I had done therefore! I have had to re-jig my plan now to make sure I am still AF free as of Friday.

                        Pan, I only just realised that there was another message from you, which showed up on page 2. Yes, you are right, I should go by how I feel and right now I feel great and don't miss it at the moment. I am sure that will change as time goes by though, I am well aware that thisn't isn't going to be a walk in the park. I just thank the Lord that the walk TO the park has been easier than I feared!

                        Anyway I am going to taper even further till Friday now. I know I come over as being overly anxious but that's how I have always been, long before alcohol played any part, so I'm sorry if I sound ridiculous. I am one of those people who makes lists when I am under stress - I tick everything off and constantly go back to the list to admire how long the 'stuff done' list is! You may not believe me but once I started doing it on the computer I just deleted the things I'd done but felt really deprived without a growing list of 'stuff done' so now I put things I've done into italics so I can still admire how my list is growing! And even worse than that, if I do something that wasn't even on the list in the first place, I add it, then put it into italics! I know, sad or what? Haha. You see, I am quite potty when I am under stress so you can imagine how the revelation of the number of standard drinks on the back of the bottles would have thrown me into complete overdrive!!

                        Anyway, I am still determined to be AF from Friday, even if that means getting out my measuring spoons again! Hahaha!

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                          Hi Mandalay, a big Welcome to you, and congratulation's on your heroic effort's so far!
                          I'm sorry to hear of your son's current situation. Sounds very similar to how i was once, and i changed, and so can he. But you have a plan, and this is half the battle here.
                          Have you read the 'Toolbox' thread in 'monthly abstinence' section? Essential reading for you now, i suggest. Sounds like you might be okay to come off the grog by yourself, but just to be safe, it would be better to have a plan in place with a doc. I read you've tried this, and it's silly and frustrating that many doc's don't have a broader understanding of this stuff.
                          I know that there are doc's who 'specialise' in addiction's in Oz, well, there are a few here in Melbourne at least. There is the option of home de-tox you know, for those of us who can't stop working etc. Can you keep searching, and see if you can find a doc who will listen to you, and be prepared to try alternatives, such as home based de-tox?
                          I'm sure you're aware that you need to really look at your nutrution too, to help the body, and brain repair itself, and it can.

                          Best wishes on your journey, and what a beautiful Christmas/New year present for you and your family. Bravo friend!

                          'I am part of all that I have met, yet all experience is an arch wherethro', gleams that untravelled world whose margins fade, forever and forever when I move'

                          Zen soul Warrior. Freedom today-

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                            Hi, Mandalay, welcome!

                            If you are getting logged out when trying to post, make sure you check the "remember me" box next to your name when logging in. Then you should stay logged in.
                            ​​Emancipate yourselves from mental slavery, none but ourselves can free our mind ~ Bob Marley ~ Redemption Song

                            AUGUST 9, 2009

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                              Dancealot, great avatar!

                              'I am part of all that I have met, yet all experience is an arch wherethro', gleams that untravelled world whose margins fade, forever and forever when I move'

                              Zen soul Warrior. Freedom today-

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