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    I had another epiphany earlier tonight over just how absurd (and creative) our excuses for drinking can get. To provide a brief background, I am now 38 days AF. The cravings are getting less intense, although I still do experience major urges at times. Anyway, last night I found myself entertaining the following argument.

    1) You have been sober for 37 days
    2) You have learned your lesson
    3) Therefore, things will be different "this time"
    4) Since things will be different "this time", you can drink, but stick to a moderate amount
    5) I will have no more than 6 drinks
    Main Conclusion: My drinking problem has been cured

    In the past, I have fallen for this argument more times than I would care to admit. But looking at it from my current highly-motivated state, I can't believe I ever did! Let's take a close look at it.

    Premise 1) is true. However, Premise 2) is only tentatively true. While it is correct that I see the damage alcohol has caused me, if I have "truly" learned my lesson, the reasonable thing to do would be to never drink again, based on a cornucopia of evidence.

    However, if Premise 2) is interpreted in the latter sense, then Premise 3) no longer follows from it; if the lesson learned is that I shouldn't drink, then things will not be different "this time" if I choose to do so.

    This is enough to make the argument collapse straight off. But for the sake of argument, let's accept these three premises as all true. What to make of Premise 4)? It seems okay until the jump is made in Premise 5). 6 drinks is a moderate amount? I admit, for me it probably is, but it is still enough to cause a significant alcohol buzz. What is moderate about that? More importantly, when have I ever been able to magically stop at 6 drinks? The answer; never.

    This reasoning is so faulty that it can easily be seen how the final conclusion does not follow. Rather, it should read:

    1) I have been sober for 37 days
    2) I have learned my lesson
    Therefore, I will never drink again!

    #2
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    Good job!! That crazy reasoning is the insanity that they talk about. I too think six drinks is almost reasonable. Someone without a drinking problem would think that is a huge amount.

    If we go back and look at the toll alcohol has taken, physically, emotionally, and mentally and spiritually, there is no questions that drinking again is a risk not worth taking.
    Redhibiscus
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      #3
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      Lol! I like your reasoning JB!! The things I have kidded myself about in the past.. I know exactly where you are coming from.. even though I have been able to do moderation in the past, it is often out of my control.. I am going plan to be AF, and at least never buy AL ever again.. I never want to step foot in a bottle 'o again for as long as I live! Congrats on your amazing 37 days AF.. I have to start afresh tomorrow

      K x
      "It works if you work it, because you are worth it!!!"

      :groupluv:

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        #4
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        Yep,

        It all falls apart at #3.

        Every single time.

        We are simply NOT meant to drink. Those of us here who suffer from true alcoholism.

        I do liken it to my brother who is an insulin dependent diabetic. He can't eat cake, drink, or overindulge. Period.

        Well. Not if he wants to be here many years from now.

        He can do what he wants and so can we.

        Umm. What is the outcome of our choices?

        Love,
        Cindi
        AF April 9, 2016

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          #5
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          I think you've explained really well Jim why I see this illness as one of delusion rather than denial.

          Love and Light
          Phil
          xx
          "Keep me away from the wisdom which does not cry, the philosophy which does not laugh and the greatness which does not bow before children." Kahlil Gibran
          Clean and sober 25th January 2009

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            #6
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            Hi JimB and everyone

            I have been very interested lately in trying to look at life through the eyes of a non-drinker or perhaps a normal social drinker. 6 drinks is not normal. While it may get a well done from an alcholic's point of view it still is not normal.

            As an example - a while ago my sister and I were going to be having the weekend by ourselves as our husbs were going fishing together. I asked her what she was going to 'treat' herself with. She said watching a chick flick while eating her favourite chocolate bar followed up by her favourite icecream washed down by some Fanta (Orange Soda). At that stage my 'treat' was well in hand with my 'bottles' already getting cold in the fridge! I think that started me on the road to querying my thinking and drinking! I want to be 'normal' and have icecream and Fanta!!!

            Well done JB on the resistance.
            Developing an Attitude of Gratitude

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              #7
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              JB,

              Good to talk to you again. You are truly a wise person and it seems that your 37 days has given you an insight that a lot of us can only hope for.

              Great job on 37 days!

              Jolie
              Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away.

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                #8
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                hi J B, very interesting,this ailment we or i have,sets no boundries,smart,not so smart.fat ,skinny,rich and even a poor person,i tht id share with you,i have ben thro the AA program for 10 yearsmarch6th,,more out then in,,many of the people ive come across have said,for every slogan there are to not drink,there are a thousand to drink,37 daays,37 years,it is all the same,i minute,one hour,even one day,it is up to us to put as much time into our sobriety as we did when we drank or drugged,and you could possibly,have success,congrats on the days,your doing great, gyco

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                  #9
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                  Oh the insanity!! That's the exact sort of "ill logic" that I relapsed with at 60 days AF back in 2007. I just can't afford to entertain that thinking.

                  I have to be ever aware that a part of my brain which I shall call "AL" is always patiently waiting for a fix, and patiently waiting with a line of BS thinking to lure me in with. I can't ever afford to buy it.

                  Great post JB!

                  DG
                  Sobriety Date = 5/22/08
                  Nicotine Free Date = 2/27/07


                  One day at a time.

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                    #10
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                    Most Excellent Post JB!!!
                    And I like what Cinders said aboout her brother and diabetes...he has a disease that will kill him if he put poisons into his body......maybe instead of being ashamed of being a problem drinker, I will think of it as a disease that I didn't ask for but I have to deal with......???????
                    I love my family more than alcohol.:h
                    Live in the Solution....not the problem

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                      #11
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                      mama bear;811460 wrote: Most Excellent Post JB!!!
                      And I like what Cinders said aboout her brother and diabetes...he has a disease that will kill him if he put poisons into his body......maybe instead of being ashamed of being a problem drinker, I will think of it as a disease that I didn't ask for but I have to deal with......???????
                      That is a great point Mama Bear. An EXCELLENT approach. Looking at where to place blame - whether on ourselves or others - is just NOT helpful to getting sober in my opinion. Figuring out how not to drink is what matters. Shame doesn't help - it hinders the process IMO.

                      DG
                      Sobriety Date = 5/22/08
                      Nicotine Free Date = 2/27/07


                      One day at a time.

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                        #12
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                        Hi JB,

                        That's what I think of as Junkie Thinking!
                        I'm just not going to fall for that BS logic again - it's over

                        Lav
                        AF since 03/26/09
                        NF since 05/19/09
                        Success comes one day at a time :thumbs:

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                          #13
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                          I love it JB! the fact that you can now dismantle it and see it for what it is. Congratulations on the knowledge you have gained and the 37 days. It's a wonderful thing when you can see it so clearly.
                          Thanks for sharing it's helped me alot. I am 25 days AF and when i think ok i think i have learnt my lesson i will read your post.
                          Liquid MISERY guaranteed to distroy.

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