Quitting doesnt require any medication! Has no shortcuts

[Alcoholic]

Quitting doesnt require any medication! Has no shortcuts

It's my opinion, like romney's 47% comment, maybe true, could be stated more elegantly... Just my opinion.... .

[LibraryGirl]

Quitting doesnt require any medication! Has no shortcuts

Let's look at it another way. Common sense tells us dieting and exercise will reduce our weight. Those strategies work for anyone who can stick to them. For most people, excess weight is not life-threatening, but for some it is. Doctors know that weight-loss surgery (or prescriptions, maybe) are effective and may save a life, and THAT is more important than how the weight was lost. I believe surgery is probably not used in the majority of cases of obese patients who lose weight successfully, but when it is used it is also just a tool. The patient still has to maintain that loss and work to stay a healthy weight.

Likewise, prescriptions are a *tool* that some have found effective to quit AL. In the battle of life or death, where AL equals death for some people, who has the right to decide WHAT path they take to achieve sobriety? I don't believe it should be up for debate. That is JMHO.

LG

[spacebebe01]

Quitting doesnt require any medication! Has no shortcuts

LG well said , now why didnt I think of that, :h

[vlivengood]

Quitting doesnt require any medication! Has no shortcuts

The main point I got out of or decided to take from Allans posts, and which I agree with, is that it is VERY rare you see any forums or discussions about healthy eating and exercise as a tool for everyone new and old.... I do however see posts about herbs, supplements, meditation, hypnotherapy and see many take to those methods, which is GREAT IMO....

There is some sort of exercise forum on here, I posted a few times and NEVER received any response (that could simply be because I mod though).

I do not think Allan meant to offend or upset anyone but maybe a better approach would be to start a thread about the benefits of healthy diet and exercise instead of a thread about the downside of medications.....

K9 - I do agree with you 100 percent as well, when you are white knuckling it and using every ounce of your energy towards your will power not to drink, the last thing you wanna do or CAN do is go for a run

[stumpy]

Quitting doesnt require any medication! Has no shortcuts

Well said Vlivengood, I would love a thread regarding diet and exercise, lord knows it couldn't hurt.

[Slaythefear]

Quitting doesnt require any medication! Has no shortcuts

stumpy;1394939 wrote: Well said Vlivengood, I would love a thread regarding diet and exercise, lord knows it couldn't hurt.

Were you able to get some sleep last night, Stumpy. I know you mentioned taking half a dose. It's a bit of a pickle...you need a certain amount of wellness and energy to exercise and you need the exercise to help you become more healthy. However, first things first...you have to at least have SOME energy. I, also, suggest starting out slow and not trying to jump into a big routine straight away. I actually jumped in too quick my first 30 days and found myself starting to crash because of it. One step at a time applies to this as well, imo. At least for me.

[stumpy]

Quitting doesnt require any medication! Has no shortcuts

Slay,I slept 14 hours OMG! I don't like the med but it did the job, I will take it for a couple more nights. I'm not thinking about exercise just yet lol

[Slaythefear]

Quitting doesnt require any medication! Has no shortcuts

stumpy;1394954 wrote: Slay,I slept 14 hours OMG! I don't like the med but it did the job, I will take it for a couple more nights. I'm not thinking about exercise just yet lol

Awesome! Glad to hear it. Well needed sleep and with a few more under your belt, you can start thinking more clearly to make some judgements on what you need moving forward. I feel a similar alcohol induced hangover condition when I don't get proper sleep. I definitely can't think clearly without it or function properly.

[Sunbeam]

Quitting doesnt require any medication! Has no shortcuts

I am dismayed to see yet another divisive thread. People taking sides, pro and con, instead of finding the common ground to help each other.

[paula]

Quitting doesnt require any medication! Has no shortcuts

I do so agree with you Sun, it seems to be a common theme, lets see how many people we can divide. The MWO book covers every topic.

[Wildflowers]

Quitting doesnt require any medication! Has no shortcuts

I was going to upload an image of a chipmunk that said, IGNORANCE. Your about to be mutilated by an irradiated chipmunk, but then I didn't think it would be very nice & decided on another one.

Space,

I used to post with you sometimes & have read much of your story ~ journey. Your story is one of great success, strength & courage!... Thank you so much for sharing it with us!.... Your a beautiful, intelligent, strong, kind, loving woman. Don't let ignorance undermine your continued success.

I did years back. I believed the lies, because I wanted to fit in with others. Along with the fact I carried so much low self worth of shame from my past with me. I almost lost my precious life!... I need my Topamax for several reasons & it's nobodies damn business what I or any of us take, to help find our way out of this!!!...

There are many people here who are taking other RX's to. Nobody should be ridiculed or made to feel ashamed of. Yeah, like you sit on your ass & pop pills all day. Right. :H You know better & so do many of us. I'm thankful that many people came forward & supported you, others like myself. God knows I did try everything. I hate this stigma, but it's really ignorance & prejudice imo. Most people don't come to recovery sites that haven't tried to stop drinking beforehand. Not everybody needs meds, but some do!....

Say hi to Sunny & the rest of the gang. I was going to say hi to her the other day, but just wanted to get the heck off that thread. :h :l

Hi to our newest member Alcoholic. Nice to meet you. I'm an alkie to. Somebody here told me if I stayed sober, great things would happen for me & they are. She said she would keep a watchful eye on me. I'm going to keep a watchful eye on you. If you need anything let me know.

Oh & buy the way we aren't living in the dark ages, haven't been for a awhile. RJ the very brilliant & most kind woman who owns this website took Topamax & Dr. Garcia who helped her with developing MWO's program. I know from reading Dr Garcia's own personal & touching story, why she must have been involved. I believe RJ took Topamax for three yrs. It's not for everyone, but I'd be dead now!!!... My family, myself & my Dr. say I must keep taking it!... I've belonged to several gyms in my life. I've researched alcohol addiction for 10 yrs. Not making me an expert.

I also use & recycle many tools & skills. Depending on whats going on with myself at any given time, I incorporate various other recovery methods as part of my plan. I have to tackle my addiction using a wide approach if I'm going to be successful!... As I agree a pill isn't a magic cure! I take a low dose of Topamax & still deal with cravings from time to time. But, then I have other things in my current medical file, history to.


Thank you from the bottom of my heart Dr. Bankole Johnson, Dr. Nora Volkow & all you other caring brilliant Neroscientist's, Dr's, researchers out there helping us & our families who suffer from this serious life threatening disease ~ addiction.

Alan, I do agree with you that not everyone needs Rx & some maybe need a little tough love. I also needed that to. I needed everything. But, it had a time table. Like K9 said.

I also waived my alkie flag & was kindly asked to leave Topa board. Their goals ~ desires are different then mine. I was more hard core alkie to. I still love them & honor their own journey. It took me a while to figure this out. As I was new & still can be very passionate about being AF. But, we are all different & have our own stories. I think LG summed it up along with others here. I love the clown Dr. :H

Hope we can all get along & respect diversity & not be so divisive with each other. Encourage, build, respect & support ea other. Maybe start a tough love thread. :H

I have a friend here who asks her peeps when they go back out, do you need a hug or a kick up the bum? She sometimes posts funny pics for them. Beating this thing isn't easy for most people. Depending on many factors like Lilly said, which we discussed yesterday.

Have a good day! :h

[Wildflowers]

Quitting doesnt require any medication! Has no shortcuts




The Only Cure for the Darkness of Ignorance is the Willingness to Learn that would Ultimately lead you to Knowledge. . .

?The greatest ignorance is to reject something you know nothing about?

[K9Lover]

Quitting doesnt require any medication! Has no shortcuts

Allan,

Are you mainly referring to Antabuse when you refer to "medication"? If so, you have a few facts wrong about it. I've been on it for years, so if you want me to clarify anything, I can.

Also, I am proud of myself for being proactive, going to the doctor, 'fessing up to the truth about my drinking, getting the prescription filled (keeping it filled), and then having the strength to take the damn pill every single day...no matter what. Doing all of that was hardly a shortcut! To be successful on Antabuse, you MUST be 100% committed not to drink and that takes a lot of determination!

You are to be commended on your 48 days, I hope it continues to be so easy for you. However, please realize that there are many paths to the same destination, and no one way is better than other, it's whatever works for each individual.

K9

[allankay]

Quitting doesnt require any medication! Has no shortcuts

Thank you K9. I can’t believe it has been 48 days. I am not sure if it is getting any easier; it’s the same as it was around 30 day mark. My emotions are a lot more stable now. I do think it’s a lot to do with my balanced diet and exercise, which I only started to do a few weeks back.

Re: AB you probably know a lot more than me. I just think meds should be the last resort not the first. My post was not aimed at everyone here. Only a tiny minority. It wasn’t even so much about taking meds as much as about people that take them without exploring other options first. People that go out partying the first week sober and come back nursing a hangover, asking about pills that would help them stop. Some of the risks involved with taking some of them, especially AB are scary to me.

But I think I am repeating myself now. If people out there still think I am being unfair, they should not take words out of context.

AK

[K9Lover]

Quitting doesnt require any medication! Has no shortcuts

I hear ya' Allan and I agree with what you're saying. AB for me was a LAST resort...I tried everything I could for years...the day I laid in bed crying uncontrollably, feeling overwhelmed with anxiety, was the day I went to the Doctor and took the plunge into medication.

I wholeheartedly agree that medication is not the "answer" but definitely a good "tool". Like you said, there's no magic pill to completely remove cravings or make this easy, and I wouldn't want to mislead anyone to thinking that there is. The truth is that getting sober is damn HARD work, but SOOO worth it. And I agree that diet and exercise can do wonders, not only physically, but mentally as well. But if you're like me, THAT takes a while! Believe me, I found a lot of comfort in Oreos and potato chips in the beginning :H