second night and I'm waffling

[Ripley]

second night and I'm waffling

Hi must - not butting in at all

have not been to med school ("A" level Biology !) but not sure that a dose of any over the counter herbal remedy could bring on a period within an hour... pretty sure that is a spooky conincidence...

you could ask Dr Linda Garcia about the oestrogen link if you were concerned?

K

[Ripley]

second night and I'm waffling

Hey Marcel

hope you don;t mind we have hijacked your thread to talk about all this ikky stuff...

[Serenity]

second night and I'm waffling

Hi must

Just to clarify oestrogen is a hormone produced in the ovaries of vetebrates and Kudzu as far as I know - is derived from a plant, therefore highly improbable to have brought on your period - you may be very sensitive but I can't think what may have done that to you my poor darling. How scary!! Like Kate says coincidence???

Hi Kate, Nattie
The Brits are here!!! thanks for your advice - I am dying to get stuck in as you did Kate. Topa arrived yesterday - nervous of side effects but no book or kudzu or supplements as yet but 3 days AF and going strong - thanks to people like you!!

Nice to hear some British shops mentioned eh!!

PS: Kate I too have verbal diarrhoea

Love S

[nattie]

second night and I'm waffling

Sounds like you have embraced it really well - I hope to do the same. Will risk it & take it from tonight - surely can't make me feel any worse than sitting at work with a hangover eh !
Am conscious I can feel Friday rolling towards me & don't want to fall down so best I get on it as soon as poss.

May end up down loading the book - had ordered on Amazon yesterday but then noticed it can take up to 3 weeks to deliver......don't want to wait that long but had wanted a smaller version I could shove in my bags.

thanks for your help......

xx

[Ripley]

second night and I'm waffling

FINAL post from me on this thread

if you do get topa dopa, I ordered adrafinil / olmifon online, as recommended in RJ's book. (just google it you'll get plenty of sites, but not all ship to the UK)

BOY is it good! Brain like a steel trap!

[Noella]

second night and I'm waffling

Marcel,

I literally just started, so I'm not in a position to advise on the different supplements recommended here, but as for trouble sleeping, that I HAVE experienced! When I was in grad school, I had lots of trouble sleeping due to stress, and while wine worked best for me, I couldn't drink b/c I couldn't spare the time. I found that a warm shower just before bed worked wonders, as did (does) herbal tea - chamomile is great, but I swear by the "slepy time" or "sweet dreams" tea works best. Also, not getting into bed until you're actually tired works well... that way you train yourself that bed=sleep rather than bed=frustration of not being able to sleep.

How'd things go?

-Noella

[mustdobetter]

second night and I'm waffling

Sorry for that guys... I think I got in a bit over my head here. Backing away with tail between legs.

I am very aware that estrogen is a hormone and kudzu is a plant derivitive, and am certain that the kudzu did not bring on my period. Sorry if I indicated that it did. It is very possible that herbal supplements can trigger other chemical reactions in the body, release of enzymes, hormones, etc. so I wasn't sure if kudzu produced that type of effect. There are some studies that show it has an "estrogen like" effect on menopausal women.

Sorry again. And marcel, sorry for getting carried away in your thread. Hope you are doing well today and making progress with your goals.

[Ripley]

second night and I'm waffling

no no nooo! don't apologise - it's interesting, and what do we know? that's why I suggested asking Dr Garcia. put that tail back in the air and wag it! well done on your 6 days.

[marcel]

second night and I'm waffling

Hijack away to your hearts' content. All are welcome. Very interesting info.

Kate, I will try the CD at bed time. When I did it during the day it did relax me totally. Just what I use wine for. Thanks for the advice and congrats on 16 and several posts of less than 1000 words.

Must, maybe coincidence but the reason my first night was so bad was a roller coaster of hot flashes and cold sweats. I woke hourly freezing cold. I couldn't face that again.

Noella, Thanks for sharing your experiences. I think we newbies are in for some great times with these wonderful folks. "How'd things go?" you ask. I had wine, but not nearly my usual dose. I found it tasted odd and affected me more quickly.

Love reading the posts.

[Noella]

second night and I'm waffling

:wd: :happy: :yay:

good for you for cutting back

-N