Losing all hope

[lizker]

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kuya;1464419 wrote: Lizker ....... GOD does NOT make my blood boil, nor does Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny.

MWO is a secular site. There is a section to declare our beliefs.

If you were to tell a new person that you intend to pray for them, then OK , I suppose, as it is YOUR belief........but to suggest that they pray to Jesus,if they have another faith, or none at all it may well make them leave.

Your arrogant projection that a person coming here for help should seek help from YOUR internalised invisible friends is what makes my blood boil.

In the USA we have a treasured gem called FREEDOM of SPEECH.
and we use it pretty well. So don't tell me what I should or
shouldn't say if iam not directly addressing you.I mentioned several strategies but you
only singled that one thing. By the way, there are billions of
Christians in the world and majority of people don't get
offended by the mention of the word JESUS. U are the minority.
If the spirit of the Lord moves me to encourage someone, stay
out of it. If MWO has a problem with me mentioning God they will ban me.
I

[Hippyman]

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dinnysis;1463997 wrote: Please help me see a way out of this hell, where is the strength? Do I have it in me to live without putting a glass of vodka on the end of everything?

I was there back in August. I had given up hope of ever being free. Baclofen was what saved me. Stick around and read about how others found their way back to a happy sober life!

[kuya]

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lizker;1464455 wrote: In the USA we have a treasured gem called FREEDOM of SPEECH.
and we use it pretty well. So don't tell me what I should or
shouldn't say if iam not directly addressing you.I mentioned several strategies but you
only singled that one thing. By the way, there are billions of
Christians in the world and majority of people don't get
offended by the mention of the word JESUS. U are the minority.
If the spirit of the Lord moves me to encourage someone, stay
out of it. If MWO has a problem with me mentioning God they will ban me.
I

One third of the world today is Christian, which means TWO THIRDS ARE NOT.

This is an English speaking site so many will hold that faith, some will not.

I repeat, MWO is secular.

As to my being a minority..... So were slavery abolitionists in the US only a short time ago !

That idea caught on, didn't it ?

[lizker]

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kuya;1464463 wrote: One third of the world today is Christian, which means TWO THIRDS ARE NOT.

This is an English speaking site so many will hold that faith, some will not.

I repeat, MWO is secular.

As to my being a minority..... So were slavery abolitionists in the US only a short time ago !

That idea caught on, didn't it ?

Slavery abolitionst were mostly people of Faith specifically, Christians
that were driven by their conviction in there Christian faith t
right a wrong. You Mr can not hold a candle to those righteous
men and women so don't even go there.
The other 2rds are mostly Muslims and Jews who
are cousin faiths of Christianity as they both believe in the
living God. Don't you think that it is prideful to
think that you know better than 5billion people?
That all 5 billion are crazy and you are the only sane one?
This may be a secular site but God is at work here
at MWO. There are hundreds of volunteers here sharing
freely, loving, encouraging each other. That is the spirit of
God at work my friend.

[kuya]

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lizker;1464471 wrote: Slavery abolitionst were mostly people of Faith specifically, Christians
that were driven by their conviction in there Christian faith t
right a wrong. You Mr can not hold a candle to those righteous
men and women so don't even go there.
The other 2rds are mostly Muslims and Jews who
are cousin faiths of Christianity as they both believe in the
living God. Don't you think that it is prideful to
think that you know better than 5billion people?
That all 5 billion are crazy and you are the only sane one?
This may be a secular site but God is at work here
at MWO. There are hundreds of volunteers here sharing
freely, loving, encouraging each other. That is the spirit of
God at work my friend.

You proposed that Dinnysis pray to Jesus....so don't drag the Jews and Muslims into this to substantiate your argument.

You are correct, there ARE hundreds of volunteers here, many of them atheist.

It is you that is prideful..... Thinking YOUR way is THE way.

If I were to suggest that recovering from alcohol would be easier if people were to abandon their faith there would be outrage.

If faith were the cure for alcoholism, this site would only be populated by atheists. Faith may, therefore, be concluded as NOT a requirement for recovery from addiction.

Use your faith as you see fit, Lizker, but don't peddle it as a cure, THAT is disingenuous.

[Struggles 106]

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I AGREE KUYA

IT most certainly IS a stretch to tell someone to pray to Jesus. Religion has no place here;it is secular and if it were not I would not be here.
Noone has the right to peddle their religion to anyone else. Ever. The arrogance of such a stance is clear. People are free to believe what they want. Period. And I am free to NOT hear about it, having the brain power to make up my own mind and choose my own path.

If I was told early on here to pray to Jesus I know I would have been appalled

[RunningCourage]

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I too agree Ann... Having been brought up in the Church, and having a lot of respect for those who work, worship and devote their lives to a christian path, I would have been appalled had my dad - a cleric - demanded I "Pray to Jesus". Inasmuch the same as I would be appalled if a person of another faith demanded I pray to their god or prophet or, even, demanded that I renounce my "faith".

Faith is a deeply complex and an utterly individual concept. No person can brandish their own faith upon any other. Indeed, I find it both amusing and ironical that, with my own personal beliefs and "faith" (I adhere to no religion i must say), I can find myself closer to those who proclaim none.

[RunningCourage]

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Back to you dinnysis - sorry this thread's been hijacked.

Don't lose hope, have faith* and remember - all you need is love

*Please interpret faith as you so wish

[kuya]

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kuya;1464411 wrote: It is the FEAR of quitting that stopped me quitting, when it was, in fact, not hard at all.

My biggest regret is wasting all those years because of fear. I never got over four days in all those years.

Stick close and really work at it this time. It can be done, you just have to change your mind and realise that being sober is normal and drinking alcohol ( for ANYBODY) is wierd. It may be common but so was smoking a few years ago.

Being sober is cool, my friend.

I sincerely hope you can forgive the distraction of the prior debate and we can get back on track.
I know you have had two weeks before, but that was kind of enforced, and as soon as you could drink again you did.

Now it would serve you to spend this first week reading around the subject A LOT. The drinking of alcohol is done to intoxicate ;

intoxicate - definition of intoxicate by the Free Online Dictionary ...
intoxicate - definition of intoxicate by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.
in?tox?i?cate ( n-t k s -k t ). v. in?tox?i?cat?ed, in?tox?i?cat?ing, in?tox?i?cates. v.tr. 1. To stupefy or excite by the action of a chemical substance such as alcohol. 2.

Do it often enough and in sufficient quantities and addiction occurs. That is where we have all ended up, which is a simple consequence of a series of chemical reactions in our bodies.

The 'cure' is, thankfully, simple. Stop ingesting it.

This is the journey you are embarking upon, pure and simple. No matter how you got here the way out is the same for EVERYBODY.

Which is really quite a relief

[lizker]

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No one has held a gun to anyone's head and demanded that they pray to
Jesus. Truth is he has set me free. May not be for everybody but don't
tell me that I have no right to share something that has worked for me.
For all you know it may work for somebody else. It was a SUGGESTION.
It is a apparent what spirit is at work here.

[limers]

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What is wrong with you all, would you give this person a break , s/he was offering some advice and support and ended it with a blessing , bloody hell!!! Youd swear s/he was trying to really cause some harm!

[Struggles 106]

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????

To put an end to this--there was a request for help, which is what we do here.

Anyone can suggest anything they want, but it cannot be ignored that religiosity can be off-putting, particularly if it refers to a particular religion. It would be to me; that is why I don't go to AA meetings. I have no interest in saying the lord's prayer. To each his/her own, as they say.

To say "pray to Jesus" is incredibly presumptuous and this is not the place or it. IMHO

[dinnysis]

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Oh dear, thank you to all who have taken the time to reach out to me, much appreciated and in my situation just now I certainly do not take offence to any help offered, I'm just so grateful that people who have been through this hell are there for me. love and best wishes to you all, not feeling very well just now but will stick around, we are all in the same boat, dinnysis, xx.

[kuya]

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dinnysis;1464594 wrote: Oh dear, thank you to all who have taken the time to reach out to me, much appreciated and in my situation just now I certainly do not take offence to any help offered, I'm just so grateful that people who have been through this hell are there for me. love and best wishes to you all, not feeling very well just now but will stick around, we are all in the same boat, dinnysis, xx.

If you need to, post every hour, it is often helpful to record yourself feeling better.

Hang in there, by the end of the first week, things will feel so much better.

Treat yourself like you have the flu, lots of water with lemon juice helps and rest when you can.
L glutamine can help with cravings and if you can eat fill yourself up with good food.

Be brave and check in often :l

[NewOne]

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I had an incredible amount of fear when I became a non drinker. Just saying the words "I don't drink" took my breath.

So, I kept saying them. Until I didn't feel any fear.

Of course you are not drinking today. Non drinkers don't drink. That's how cool we are ;-D

dinnysis;1464299 wrote: Hi Kuya, thanks, I think 4 days was the longest, before that it was 2007 when I did 14 days when I went away with a family member who didn't drink, was the best time. Soon as I was back I started again. I think you are right about the fear, Dont know what the heck I'm so scared about, I'm killing myself that should be scary enough to make me get a grip. Not drinking today going to focus on that for now. I've posted in the newbies nest as well, will stay close, thanks for support.