Desire to drink more on Baclofen

[lizker]

Desire to drink more on Baclofen

laurie65;1467339 wrote: Oh, I accept I made an error in my title.
But this is what I've experienced.
If I offended anyone then of course i am truly sorry, was not my intention.
But I just was looking to find out if anyone else had this experience.
I thought this was a site that could help it's members find identification.
I think I described what i need quite clearly.
i'm mixing bac and amino's just cause it seemed to help with the terrible depression i felt three weeks into my bac protocol.
I obviously don't want to cause further damage.
I can't seem to put the alcohol down just yet.
Yes I feel a failure, right now I feel like a super victim.
I read your message and promptly burst into tears. In tears now. It's not your fault. It's me I'm a rollercoaster of emotions right now.
I plan a taper ending to the drinking, and since my binge the other night I have mananged to come right down to 4 uk units a night.
My question (innocently) was has anyone else felt a stronger desire to drink in the early days of bac, and is taking 6g's of L-tyrosine not helping my situation.
best
Lorraine

Laurie, iam so sorry that you are down right now. Please don't
read too much into what a particular person says to you.
For the most part its not coming from a bad place. We all
have different ways of expressing our selves. For some, tough
love is the way to go. Jus focus on you right now. Do let
that negative voicr block the good that can come out of mwo.
As far as you not getting the responses to your post
i geuss no one really has an answer as your combination
of alc, bac and tyrosine is not common perhaps. Do you
eat a lot of chicken and fish? They have all the amino acids
your body needs in balanced proportions. You body is the
best feedback for what is not working. Start with a nutrition and exercise
plan while you taper of alc.

[lizker]

Desire to drink more on Baclofen

laurie65;1467339 wrote: Oh, I accept I made an error in my title.
But this is what I've experienced.
If I offended anyone then of course i am truly sorry, was not my intention.
But I just was looking to find out if anyone else had this experience.
I thought this was a site that could help it's members find identification.
I think I described what i need quite clearly.
i'm mixing bac and amino's just cause it seemed to help with the terrible depression i felt three weeks into my bac protocol.
I obviously don't want to cause further damage.
I can't seem to put the alcohol down just yet.
Yes I feel a failure, right now I feel like a super victim.
I read your message and promptly burst into tears. In tears now. It's not your fault. It's me I'm a rollercoaster of emotions right now.
I plan a taper ending to the drinking, and since my binge the other night I have mananged to come right down to 4 uk units a night.
My question (innocently) was has anyone else felt a stronger desire to drink in the early days of bac, and is taking 6g's of L-tyrosine not helping my situation.
best
Lorraine

Laurie, iam so sorry that you are down right now. Please don't
read too much into what a particular person says to you.
For the most part its not coming from a bad place. We all
have different ways of expressing our selves. For some, tough
love is the way to go. Jus focus on you right now. Dont let
that negative voice block the good that can come out of mwo.
As far as you not getting the responses to your post
i geuss no one really has an answer as your combination
of alc, bac and tyrosine is not common perhaps. Do you
eat a lot of chicken and fish? They have all the amino acids
your body needs in balanced proportions. You body is the
best feedback for what is not working. Start with a nutrition and exercise
plan while you taper of alc.

[joanna_d]

Desire to drink more on Baclofen

okay, i'm no physician or anything like that, but it seems to me that the option of L-t leveling out the effect of baclofen is highly unlikeable.
as i've read it mainly affects the rates of dopamine synthesis in neuronal cells.
as it is so that baclofen as a side effect decreases the level of dopamine, there might be some sort of cross effect.
but i (and lots of other baclofen users) take ssri's, which have a lot more impact on neurotransmitters like dopamine than L-t, and i've switched.

the combination of baclofen and alcohol on the other hand, is a huge mess up of your mental state.
just think of how you can feel when having a hangover without baclofen: not only physically sick, but also a mental wreck. hungover people often feel depressed, have anxieties, and what not.
the intake of baclofen next to alcohol worsenes the day-after-effects of alcohol, as baclofen works on neurotransmitters in a way comparable to alcohol.

bottom line is: if you're afraid that L-t levels out baclofen, you can diminish your intake of L-t for a week, to find out if it makes a difference (my guess is: it won't).
or you can forget about this, that's already one worry off your back, and just keep taking the pills (both).

keeping in mind though, that combining baclofen with alcohol, is a fuck up for your overall well being, and for your "happy" neurotransmitters like dopamine.
how much so, really became clear to me after switching. because until then, i kept drinking 12 to 25 units a day and most of the time i felt like a train wreck.

but baclofen still worked. and i still can't express what that means to me.

[laurie65]

Desire to drink more on Baclofen

Thank you so much Lizker and Joanna D for your kind and helpful feedback.
J, I am continuing with the l-t and I believe it is helping my mood enormously.
Im also taking l-glut and a blend of caritine's.
All at different times of day as I read that amino's conflict for attention when the body processes.
Joanne you have helped feel more secure about my protocol.
I will get there and kinda need to work out what is causing the most problems.
Number 1..drinking.
2...smoking fags...
3.... hormone production reduced to zero since coming off HTR.
Phew..I feel I have a lot of issues to tackle.
But have committed to the fact that drinking alcoholically is NUMBER ONE!!
Thank you both for your support.
It's two way by the way.
Anything I can do or say to support..please let me know.
Twelfth step xxx

[laurie65]

Desire to drink more on Baclofen

Thank you so much Lizker and Joanna D for your kind and helpful feedback.
J, I am continuing with the l-t and I believe it is helping my mood enormously.
Im also taking l-glut and a blend of caritine's.
All at different times of day as I read that amino's conflict for attention when the body processes.
Joanne you have helped feel more secure about my protocol.
I will get there and kinda need to work out what is causing the most problems.
Number 1..drinking.
2...smoking fags...
3.... hormone production reduced to zero since coming off HTR.
Phew..I feel I have a lot of issues to tackle.
But have committed to the fact that drinking alcoholically is NUMBER ONE!!
Thank you both for your support.
It's two way by the way.
Anything I can do or say to support..please let me know.
Twelfth step xxx

[laurie65]

Desire to drink more on Baclofen

Don't know why messages are posting twice :0

[laurie65]

Desire to drink more on Baclofen

Joanne, I expect your journey is also documented elsewhere.
Could you send me the link if it is.
But what was your Bac/recovery story.
How much did you need to switch? And over how many months/weeks?
I'm running a silly fantasy that I might switch on 125.
I initially said 100...but that seems kinda unrealistic now.
How much and for how long before you started to taper down (from bac?). And what is your maintenance schedule?
Sorry to be a bother.
Thanks in advance x

[joanna_d]

Desire to drink more on Baclofen

hi Laurie! so sorry for not responding last week!! i had a bad case of the flu, tried to work some in between sleeping and fevering, spent a lot of time skyping and emailing a friend of mine who's in trouble, etc etc. hope i'll be ready to go now, cause i've got a lot to do this week.
have to get going now, but wanted to let you know i'm still here, and hoping you're hanging in there!
(how're you doing??)
like Ne also said: it'd be a big help if you'd start a new thread in the meds forum. i gave you the link to that i think in the private message. if you post out there, there'll be much more people involved with baclofen noticing your posts. so you'll get the attention you deserve.
maybe you're thinking "fuck that! i already started two threads on this forum". but you know three is a charm and all that...

i'll be back soon!

[laurie65]

Desire to drink more on Baclofen

Hi Ne and Joanna

I'm sorry i missed both of your posts. I do find MWO sort of difficult to navigate. Would be great if it was like facebook and gave notifications on responses to posts and new messages. Maybe it does I just haven't work it out yet!
I'm doing better. Still boozing like a maniac but noticing a huge difference in my relationship with the drink. i even forget I've poured myself a drink.
Up to 125mgs now and feeling positive. I really believe this will work. i have to overcome my resistance tho. I have to leap over to the other side. the sober side and trust i will be safe there. i am never safe while drinking...so option one is preferable
Did either of you smoke fags like a crazy thing while going up on bac?

[joanna_d]

Desire to drink more on Baclofen

hi Laurie! how're you doing?

good to hear your relationship to booze is changing. my persistent binging all the way up to the switch has seriously messed with my brain, so it took a wee while recovering after switching. it was kinda frustrating, to finally be free from my slavery, the overwhelming feeling of life poring into and over me, but constantly tripping over my body that needed to recover.
alcohol + baclofen = serious brain fuck. it seriously messes up your neurotransmitter household, so really: regard your body, brain, self with caring attention. it's one of the lessons i've learned from this, though unfortunately mostly after switching, cause before that i kept on fighting and fighting, be it in opposite directions.

take care!

[laurie65]

Desire to drink more on Baclofen

Still fighting Joanna. But every day the fight feels less.

Everyday I feel that I have achieved a small victory.

I'm training my brain to acknowledge my successes and stop castigating my shortcomings.

This is helping me massively. I think the bac is helping with the brain training.

I just also have to accept the ringing in the ears...the gasping for breath...the smoking like a fiend....the taste of cow shit in my mouth...and many many more weird se's.

Good se's.... horny ALL THE TIME!! Feel a bit more in control everyday..(except with my hornyness...fancied a sheep in the field the other day!)

Seriously..the good far outweighs the bad.
I am grateful
xxx

[joanna_d]

Desire to drink more on Baclofen

laurie65;1476786 wrote:
Good se's.... horny ALL THE TIME!! Feel a bit more in control everyday..(except with my hornyness...fancied a sheep in the field the other day!)

:H i had that too!! i think mostly while above 150mg. suddenly realized how it must feel like to be a man, having a knob inadvertently at random and inappropriate times. that's a great se isn't it. although it can get a bit frustrating, wanting to drag someone random over the counter to get it on right there and then, realizing you can get arrested for stuff like that.

laurie65;1473116 wrote:
Did either of you smoke fags like a crazy thing while going up on bac?

i even smoke fags like crazy now i'm going down on bac! :H guess that's normal, being totally sober all of a sudden after a life of stuffing myself with all kinds of rubbish. there needs to be some balance right
still i'm planning on quitting that too. sobriety and a healthy body & mind takes some getting familiar with of course, but it's kinda great. and a bit addictive too maybe
and in the end: smoking in my opinion is the stupidest addiction of them all. you don't get drunk, high, stoned, whatever from smoking a fag, it actually does nothing. it's just a craving created when you started smoking, and now all it comes to is making yourself feel better smoking a fag just to get rid of the craving again and again (and again).

what's your bac dose right now? maybe i wrote this before, but i know you asked: i switched at 225mg. i guess a lot of people switch somewhere between 200 and 300mg. some have to go further up, some need less. like everything with bac: it's different for everyone. which can be rather frustrating and make you feel lost.
while going up on bac, the concept of not needing or even wanting to drink anymore can be hard to wrap your mind around. it can leave you in a world of doubt and fighting in opposite directions. it can be a good thing to visualize what it would be like, concentrate on it, and look around in that sober world, imagine how that free you feels. maybe she even has something to say to you, now your on the way there.

in the end what it comes down to is: keep taking the goddamn pills (KTTGP) and treating yourself with attentive care.


i wrote a post in Emily's thread that was also directed to you, did you read that?

don't feel like starting a new thread in the meds forum?

take care! :l