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    #16
    Marathon Running Alcoholic

    Marathon AL

    musomatt;1571509 wrote: Hi everyone. I'm here because I have a hangover this morning. Despite many failed attempts to abstain from alcohol (including a 2 year successful stretch in 2007-2009) I am now 5 years down the line since I thought I had quit.

    I can't go into too much detail yet. But i've half made the decision to give this up once again. I say only half, because I know in my heart I must. But my head is playing its usual tricks on me (what go through the rest of my life without being allowed to have a glass of wine with fish is one such mind game). I say I must, because every time I drink now my liver hurts. I know at 42 that if I don't stop drinking I will go the same way as a colleague (an old drinking partner) who died 2 months ago aged 52. Chronic liver disease.

    I have drunk since the age of 17. Really, fairly heavily (but not rampantly). But certainly in excess of 50-60 units a week and at some points in my life even heavier than that. I think nothing of drinking 8 cans of lager of a friday night, and often more than 4 on a weekday. Certainly as much as a bottle of wine in one night, or as much as 4 pints of lager. On an easy night. I am regularly drunk. But I function.

    And yes. I am a veteran of running 4 London marathons. How can I be a marathon runner, but also an alcoholic? Can someone explain that for me? I have been writing a journal on and off since I went 60 days without alcohol at the beginning of last year. I will post excerpts here. Please help me give this up. It is causing enormous pressure on me, my marriage. I have three beautiful children and so much to live for.:new:
    I didn't read the successive responses to your posts, but Marathon Alcoholic is not as uncommon, or let's marathon chronic, or excessive drinker, is not as uncommon as you might think. I am currently training for my sixth marathon...I've done Chicago once, NYC twice, DC, Harrisburg, PA (when Sandy came in and cancelled NYC) and now, I am training for one more NYC. Ironically, NYC definitely the hardest course of all the marathons I've ran and I always seem to do the best. Now to your comment...

    I do not have one running friend that does not drink. And I am not talking about, beer-bust gutting guys, that do a light "jog" for 20 minutes, I am talking about guys and girls, actually, the girls can put it away better than a lot of the guys, that ran division I in college, some that still run low 3s (3:10, 3:18, you know what I mean), some that even break 3!

    I ran a 5K once, a more notable one that a bar sponsors Uptown, and saw a guy who I know is, if not an "elite" runner, the next step below, completely smashed and could barely talk....still looking runner trim.

    My years training the marathon, my AL intake has varied from season to season...this year, my diet and AL, has been not what I have liked, but I have two weeks to change that...I've been hitting my times, so I think I'm ok.

    So, why the AL marathon connection....? I think there is one. A marathon, as you know, is a superhuman athletic event...whether if you finish in a little over 2 hours, or a little over five hours, or more. Less than 1% of the population ever completes one, let alone multiple. As you know, it's an accomplishment which results in believing you can do anything, and an exhilarating rush....starting to sound like something??? It's a drug.

    Truth be told, I always wanted to run a marathon, but there was also a part of me that used it to keep my life balanced....diet and drink. All my marathons, with the exception of this one, I wasn't single...the first three I had the same gf, who became my wife, she was around for the fourth one. She was not around for the fifth, but I had a gf, this one, I've been truly alone (I haven't trained with a group since the first two)....it has led me to be very lonely, and perhaps drink a little more out of boredom when I go out (I don't drink at home).

    And since you have completed one, actually multiple, you're not scared, or worried about what your diet may do to you, race wise, ie.....you know you're going to finish...the mystique of it is gone for you...so you take more liberties, maybe.

    I feel for your brother...but you ARE not alone and this is NOT Uncommon at all. I know barely five foot, nothing, female runners, that can probably drink both of us under the table.

    Ok, I am going to read more of your thread now...I just had to respond, I totally relate.

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      #17
      Marathon Running Alcoholic

      MM, I read the rest of these posts...if I recall correctly, the London Marathon is around the same time as Boston, April I want to say. So, I am not sure, or it wasn't clear if you were training for one now. I also see your a musician, so I think you will understand this parallel....

      Physically, my training has NOT killed me this season, mentally, it has done a number on me. This is about you, not me, so I'm not going to get into my issues, it just has, with that said, it's been a little challenging for me to keep balanced....it's like a musician on the road...who is NOT sober....you know one of the hardest thing for a musician on the road to do, who is using, is to stop on the road...yes, some pull it off, but its extremely challenging.

      I am getting back on track, but it has not been without my own trials and tribulations. With 2 weeks before the NYC marathon, I think this is it with me, to get back on track. I have gone AL free in the past, and have moderated successfully in the past as well. My training, is kind of like me being a musician on the road...I need to get down with the tour. If you're training for something now, it may feel the same way, I don't know.

      I really like your idea of going 26 days and 2 hours.... it' a nice connection....

      You may feel alone, but you're not, and yes others in your life may not understand. I went on a AL free stint around Lent...not because I'm religious, I was sadly using it as an excuse to get people off my back why I wasn't drinking....actually, hahaha, running friend even said to me, "well, don't expect me not to drink." and I answered back to her, "I don't...."

      I've made a great friend through PM'ing here, who understands my plight better than some of my best friends...if you need it, I'm sure you will find someone like that as well..

      Be well!

      j.

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        #18
        Marathon Running Alcoholic

        Okay... MILE 2 everybody! (day 2).

        I am feeling optimistic this morning. I have a lot of work to do this week. Wife asked me if I wanted to go to a 40th birthday party in two weeks time. I said ...er don't think that's wise. I wrote her an empassioned letter yesterday to apologise for my failings. It was a day of truths. After feeling very sad yesterday, I feel empowered today. Its so early, that I don't want to say too much. But I feel awake today for the first time in weeks. Went to the gym last night. I feel great right now. Morning everybody.

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          #19
          Marathon Running Alcoholic

          Hi muso welcome. Iif you can run a marathon you can beat the booze. It's about keeping focused being disciplined and as a marathon runner you have that. It is hard to fathom how you can run with a hangover yiu must have had to cut down for a good while around the time of the marathon
          What made you go back on the booze as a matter of interest?
          Drink free since 18 August 2013:h

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            #20
            Marathon Running Alcoholic

            Ok Musomatt,
            I'm can send you a personal message or we can go public here with the coaching but however you want to do it it! I'm serious about running the marathon (though my goal initially will be 5k as I have never run before.) I would just love to have someone who has done it before help me out as I have no idea how to train. This is going to be my day one and I intend to walk only today and for a few sessions to get my legs conditioned. Though I have been drinking, I'm used to quite a lot of exercise so I'm fairly strong for a woman of 55. Of course I am off drink as of now. As with everything else for me, it's not the starting out, but the finishing that's the problem. Remaining faithful to my training and remaining motivated to keep going through the dark days of winter but I'm dying to get started.
            I really appreciate your offer of help.
            Kairos
            Sobriety is its own reward

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              #21
              Marathon Running Alcoholic

              Kairos;1572009 wrote: Ok Musomatt,
              I'm can send you a personal message or we can go public here with the coaching but however you want to do it it! I'm serious about running the marathon (though my goal initially will be 5k as I have never run before.) I would just love to have someone who has done it before help me out as I have no idea how to train. This is going to be my day one and I intend to walk only today and for a few sessions to get my legs conditioned. Though I have been drinking, I'm used to quite a lot of exercise so I'm fairly strong for a woman of 55. Of course I am off drink as of now. As with everything else for me, it's not the starting out, but the finishing that's the problem. Remaining faithful to my training and remaining motivated to keep going through the dark days of winter but I'm dying to get started.
              I really appreciate your offer of help.
              Kairos
              Hi Kairos. Wow you're serious! You can either PM me or we can do it publicly here. Of course if I 'train' you publicly then others may be inspired to run a marathon too! It is like giving up alcohol... one day at a time! Firstly...

              Running marathons isn't about times, "It's About Love". If that makes no sense read my other post (just posted in the "Just Starting Out" and you'll know exactly what i'm talking about!). I posted it somewhere after the 2007 marathon (when I was dry). I hope it inspires you. As for the training....

              Today for me is "Mile 3" (Day 3!). There is no better way to start than firstly, to go out and get yourself a PROPER pair of running shoes.

              Symbolically, think of how quickly you would rack up ?80 or $120 on booze. Now spend that on a properly fitted pair of running shoes. Asics, New Balance, Brooks or Mizuno's are my recommendation. Although I know gazillions of people who run in Nike and Adidas you won't find the fitting process so professional.

              Anyway... if you're not quite ready for that yet and you want to start the journey... First job is to jog (I mean it!!!) 1/2 a mile, or around 3/4 of a km. That needs to be your first target.

              Musomatt

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                #22
                Marathon Running Alcoholic

                Hi Musomatt,
                Wow thanks for you help. I would love to go public then others might join in as you say.
                I am already thinking about shoes but I know it'll be some time before I can jog half a mile so I'm gonna start a walk/run program first so I can get up to that. Remember I am an absolute beginner at running and about 40/45 lbs over weight right now so there's no way I can just run 1/2 mile outright. But I get your point that that has to be my first goal so slowly slowly here I go with the walk run.
                I'll post my schedule in a few days and you can have a look at it
                THanks so much,
                K
                K
                Sobriety is its own reward

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                  #23
                  Marathon Running Alcoholic

                  I have a hangover this morning too, after 5 years of abstinence. What makes me go back to the dark side when it was so good during those 5 years:How do I stop again. It is all just getting too hard

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                    #24
                    Marathon Running Alcoholic

                    mea;1572651 wrote: I have a hangover this morning too, after 5 years of abstinence. What makes me go back to the dark side when it was so good during those 5 years:How do I stop again. It is all just getting too hard
                    its called alcohol. Its a mental illness. Which is so poorly understood by people. I am feeling so weak today. I have had a very boring day to be honest. I'm only on day 5 so this is hard. After what seems a really easy first four days... I know this weekend is going to be difficult. Saturday I have a gig!!! In a pub!!! If that is not a test nothing is.

                    Firstly, I am driving so there is no 'legal' way I can have a drink. THat is one forced deterrent I am using, and secondly, my wife is going to be there so this is a double safety net.

                    I have my mind focused on playing a blinder, so that I get my high naturally. I am now going to the gym.

                    Basically MEA, you've got to abstain again when you feel mentally tough enough to take that step. I've been through the 'oh i'll give up next week' thing so many times in my life. THis is my 4th abstention now. I do know that I don't want that life any more. Its that simple. I want my children, my wife to love me, and my music and my running, my health and to give something back to them instead of taking all the time.

                    This week, coming on here has been such a powerful outlet. USE the forum. Let it out. Its becoming my haven.

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                      #25
                      Marathon Running Alcoholic

                      I have alwys been able to run very long distances most of my life too. It definitely makes my quits easier as i have zero cravings when iam in the gym frequently. I believe its gift that will ultimately my way out. Good nutrition also does help with the energy tp exercise. But alkie always sneaks in robs me of all that work. Sort of like putting in dead effort.
                      Its for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm then and DO NOT let yourself be burdened again by a yoke of slavery. Gal 5:1

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                        #26
                        Marathon Running Alcoholic

                        I'm back here again...

                        So, managed about 14 days. Then totally wiped out on the Friday night three weeks before Christmas. Christmas has been a blur. Alcohol is probably going to kill me within 5 years I think. I feel I need to be realistic. I have failed 5 times to give up alcohol. I am going to need to consider whether totally giving up is what I need to do, or whether I need to moderate. But my first step is to set myself a target of not drinking until the end of January and take it from there. I managed 14 days last time, so being positive that means about 18 days of sobriety to get to the end of Jan. Gimme a hug y'all, cos I need one.:l

                        musomatt;1571509 wrote: Hi everyone. I'm here because I have a hangover this morning. Despite many failed attempts to abstain from alcohol (including a 2 year successful stretch in 2007-2009) I am now 5 years down the line since I thought I had quit.

                        I can't go into too much detail yet. But i've half made the decision to give this up once again. I say only half, because I know in my heart I must. But my head is playing its usual tricks on me (what go through the rest of my life without being allowed to have a glass of wine with fish is one such mind game). I say I must, because every time I drink now my liver hurts. I know at 42 that if I don't stop drinking I will go the same way as a colleague (an old drinking partner) who died 2 months ago aged 52. Chronic liver disease.

                        I have drunk since the age of 17. Really, fairly heavily (but not rampantly). But certainly in excess of 50-60 units a week and at some points in my life even heavier than that. I think nothing of drinking 8 cans of lager of a friday night, and often more than 4 on a weekday. Certainly as much as a bottle of wine in one night, or as much as 4 pints of lager. On an easy night. I am regularly drunk. But I function.

                        And yes. I am a veteran of running 4 London marathons. How can I be a marathon runner, but also an alcoholic? Can someone explain that for me? I have been writing a journal on and off since I went 60 days without alcohol at the beginning of last year. I will post excerpts here. Please help me give this up. It is causing enormous pressure on me, my marriage. I have three beautiful children and so much to live for.:new:

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                          #27
                          Marathon Running Alcoholic

                          I have always found it amazing how people can exercise or compete at a good standard whilst alcohol is a part of your life.

                          My theory: genetics.

                          Remembering back to university, there were guys in my football team who could get plastered the night before and still play like an absolute star player. There were players in other teams who could smoke 20 a day and still have the aerobic performance of an athlete.

                          Then there were those (like me) who cannot perform well at all even if I got plastered two nights ago.

                          Or, maybe your high level of fitness helps clear out the crap in your body better than someone who does not exercise.

                          Either way, interesting post.

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                            #28
                            Marathon Running Alcoholic

                            exercise

                            Londoner;1612317 wrote: I have always found it amazing how people can exercise or compete at a good standard whilst alcohol is a part of your life.

                            My theory: genetics.
                            same here and I do have great genetics for athletics and especially when it comes to alcohol.
                            The easy way to quit drinking?:

                            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ow0lr63y4Mw

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                              #29
                              Marathon Running Alcoholic

                              Hi musomatt. I've run marathons too but glad to say I was not drinking during those years. I feel your pain, my friend. I too have been sober for long periods. Always started again because the cravings got me.

                              You sound like you're really struggling. Please consider trying one of the drugs that have helped so many people here. There is naltrexone using The Sinclair Method, or Topamax recommended by Roberta Jewell who started My Way Out, and what I take - baclofen.

                              Fine to abstain - that's a fantastic goal - but if you keep failing at that, and feel worse and worse - and more hopeless, you might consider one of the drugs I've mentioned.

                              I'm NOT a doctor, and do not advise you to take any drug. But that said, I DO recommend that you do some reading in the Med section here to see if there is any help for you there.
                              JMum
                              My first "indifference experience" Saturday January 11, 2014. Thank God for Baclofen!

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                                #30
                                Marathon Running Alcoholic

                                Hey Matt!

                                Welcome back mate. You haven't failed 5 times, because you keep getting up again to beat this. That says a lot about what you really want and where you want to be at i reckon.

                                I run almost every day, but shorter distances than you, usually 5-10 k's, but it suits me. Weights twice a week, and some boxing and swimming. And of course, playing my guitar and making music.

                                Running and exercise really helps keep me happy and sane, and on track. It's an invaluable and important daily tool for me.

                                Are you still coaching Kairos for a marathon? Take care and go for it.

                                G bloke.

                                'I am part of all that I have met, yet all experience is an arch wherethro', gleams that untravelled world whose margins fade, forever and forever when I move'

                                Zen soul Warrior. Freedom today-

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