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    Still in a FUNK? You could be a DRY DRUNK!

    AF Day 84 for me today (that’s 12 weeks if you are not walking around with a calculator), yet I’m still struggling with a lot of things. Hell, I never thought I’d even make it this far, but now that I have I know I thought it would feel easier by now. I’m beginning to realize now why AA has a 12 step program (which I have not done). Some of these steps you JUST CAN’T skip. So after doing some research, I am realizing I am now showing some of the tell-tale signs of DRY Drunk Syndrome, which I didn’t even know existed. I don’t want to be a negative person:sad: and am trying not to be, so anyone going through this needs to focus on COPING SKILLS :thumbsup:…I’ve been searching through The TOOL BOX here at MWO and there are greats coping posts throughout (if anyone has other good advice they want to drop here, and think it would be universally beneficially and appreciated). Anyway, for those more new to this process (like myself) I thought this info may be useful so I’m posting it separately here (although it may be somewhere else I have not found yet)….


    Dry Drunk: Unhappy Abstinence



    Dry Drunk Syndrome


    Quitting Alcohol is Only the First Step in Recovery
    When an alcoholic manages to break their addiction there can be a lot of optimism about the future. For years life may have been a bit unbearable for the addict, and their love ones, due to alcohol abuse. Now that the drinking has stopped it is reasonable to expect that things will improve. Unfortunately though, just removing alcohol is not enough in most cases. Instead it is just the first step in an ongoing process. If the individual does not put a lot of effort into their recovery it can mean that they fail to progress. They get stuck and life away from alcohol will not be as fulfilling and happy as it should be. Such an individual can be classified as a dry drunk.

    Dry Drunk Syndrome Defined
    The term dry drunk is believed to originate from 12 Step recovery groups. It is used to describe those who no longer drink alcohol but in many ways behave like they were still in the midst of addiction. Thy dry drunk may be full of resentment and anger. Instead of finding joy in their life away from alcohol they can act as if they were serving a prison sentence. The only change this person has made is to stop drinking, but in other respects their life remains the same. Friends and family can complain that the dry drunk is almost as hard to be around as they were when drinking. In AA they describe a person people who haven’t touched alcohol in years, but have not yet managed to get sober.

    The Cause of Dry Drunk Syndrome
    Those individuals who turn to alcohol or drugs for comfort will do so because they find life difficult to manage. This is because they have poor coping skills and feel unable to deal with life on life’s terms. They are able to use alcohol as a way to ignore their difficulties. This means that instead of learning from the challenges they face in life they just ignore them. If such people manage to later escape addiction they will be in the same position they were in before the alcohol abuse began. In other words, they will just be returning to the same conditions that drove them to alcoholism in the first place.

    Recovery is not about a return to how life was before addiction. If that life was unsatisfying at the time it is unlikely to be satisfying now. Instead recovery is about starting a new way of life that is better than anything before. Nobody gets a free pass in life and living means dealing with challenges.

    It would not be possible to remove all the stresses in life, but it is possible to develop new tools to deal with these challenges. In recovery the individual learns new coping strategies and this allows them to live a good life without the need to turn to intoxicants. Of course such personal development cannot occur unless the person is a willing participant and wants to change. The dry drunk describes the individual who has not managed to put the required effort into their recovery. They are still struggling to deal with life using their old flawed coping strategies.

    Symptoms of Dry Drunk Syndrome

    Those individuals described as dry drunks will exhibit certain symptoms. Everyone has their bad days of course, and just because a person exhibits some negative behaviors occasionally does not necessarily mean that they stuck in recovery. The dry drunk is different because they are caught in a rut and repeatedly experience some of the following symptoms :

    * The individual has a low tolerance for stress. They easily get upset if things are not going their way.
    * The dry drunk continues to engage in unhealthy behaviors. In order to deal with their lack of satisfaction in recovery this individual may turn to new vices.
    * Such an individual can suffer from loneliness and lack of interest in activities to fill their time. The fact that they make minimal effort to build a life in recovery means that things remain unsatisfactory.
    * Denial can be as big a problem for the dry drunk as it can be for the practicing addict. The individual may refuse to see that their life in recovery needs to change. Due to this denial they may continue to live a miserable life in recovery indefinitely.
    * Dry drunks may romance the drink. They forget how bad things were and can now only remember the good drinking days. This type of reminiscing is dangerous because it can only lead to relapse or increased resentment about being sober.
    * Such a person is likely to suffer a lot from self-pity. Recovery is not as satisfying as they expected and they will feel cheated because of that.
    * The dry drunk tends to be full of pride and feels over-confident about their abilities. They will not seek help from other people because they believe they already have all the answers.
    * This individual may continue to engage in unethical behavior.

    Critics of Dry Drunk Syndrome

    The term dry drunk is used as a pejorative in AA circles to describe people who aren’t working the program. It tends to be said in a judgmental way and for this reason may be considered an unhelpful description. It can also be used in an unfair way that amounts to victim blaming. Just because an individual is struggling in recovery does not necessarily mean that they are doing anything wrong. A significant number of alcoholics have a dual diagnosis which means that they have another mental health problem to contend with as well as their addiction. Describing such people as dry drunks is just ignoring their real problems and is therefore damaging.

    How to Avoid Dry Drunk Syndrome
    The first step of avoiding dry drunk syndrome is recognizing the symptoms. The individual needs to be committed fully to recovery and to regularly monitor their own progress. They need to understand that recovery is a lifelong commitment that requires continued change and effort. After a few years the pace of change slows down, but it should never stop completely. If life in recovery does not feel satisfying and fulfilling for much of the time it is a sign that something is not quite right. It is vital that the individual looks closely at what is going wrong and remedies the situation.

    Membership of a support group like AA can be an advantage because it shows a continued commitment to recovery. Those who follow the 12 step program may find that it allows them to develop both mentally and spiritually. Other people will be able to build an equally satisfying life in recovery without belonging to any fellowship.

    Those individuals who develops dry drunk syndrome can always escape this unsatisfactory way of living. The hardest part is admitting that there is a problem. Once this is done the person will be able to examine where they have gone wrong in recovery. They may then decide that a support group or therapist is required to get them back on track.
    “Hope is being able to see that there is light despite all of the darkness”- Desmond Tutu


    STL

    #2
    Hi, STL

    Good job being able to look at yourself so clearly. That is HUGE and means you're going to face this problem and solve it rather than being overwhelmed by it.

    This response might sound simplistic, given what you're experiencing, but many people here have found that constantly thinking about what is better and different in your life now, and being consciously grateful for it, makes a big difference in your perspective. Quick comparisons between then and now are kind of the background music of my day. It has become a habit rather than a conscious action -- it is never far from my mind what I don't want to go back to and why.

    This feels a little weird at first (and some of the comparisons are so obvious it might seem silly to make them) but it really helps. And after awhile, you will start noticing the most subtle changes in your life that may not even have seemed like problems before but you realize that what is going on now is so much better.

    All the best, NS

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      #3
      Hi STL, I just wanted to chime in and send you support as well. Just like NS mentioned, honesty with self is HUGE and it is a fantastic "litmus test" for where our heads are at when we are looking at some kind of abstract idea such as "how am I doing in sobriety?"

      There is a great article if you google "51 things about sobriety spiritual river." You might find some of it helpful.

      How are you doing as far as diet, excercise, general health, sleep, hydration? Some times if one of those things is off it affects the whole thing. For example I am pretty cranky if I don't get enough sleep or excercise but I am relatively unaffected by being hungry. Have you tried any mindfulness type of practice?

      Wishing you the best and keep looking hard!
      "When you have faults, do not fear to abandon them." Analects of Confucius
      AF 11/12/11

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        #4
        Thanks NS and Pine- Great thoughts here. One of my biggest issues still (and I'm sure not only mine) is this part here from the link above as a direct part of the Syndrome:

        “Irritation and Anger: You consider staying away from drink a major sacrifice.”

        I still do. I've using will power as a major tool, but I saw a post from you NS later last week that said that will power is not enough. An sooner or later it probably won't be. When something in life happens, my 1streacted thought is “Man, I need a drink”. I don’t need one of course. Bur sometimes I still REALLY want one. I want that voice to go away, and I realize learning to cope is key.

        I started drinking to “manage” emotions when I was a teenager, so I (probably like many alcoholics) have not learned the dealing with life sober part for long enough to have any strength or confidence about it. I am still hoping the longer I am sober the experiences will force me to deal sober, but I have seen too many people here already go long periods then…boom…one thing, 1 trigger (or maybe a few things) happens and its back to square one…I don’t want that happen to me or anyone else (which is why I hope others truly recognize the dangers of the phases of recovery, as there is really no “completely out of the woods:” phase from what I can tell.)

        It is a process. A healing process really. And I do think it involves all the things you mentioned Pine (diet, exercise, general health, sleep, hydration) and I think I do pretty well in those things in general. I think that helps my will power be stronger, but they don’t seem to stop the voice from calling in times of duress, etc. I have recently started some mediation on the Headspace app I downloaded, and I think it helps by I’m not sure. Learning to cope is probably a number of things in conjunction and possibly varies person to person.

        I guess my point of all this is this though. I didn’t just stop drinking to stop drinking. I did it to change my life. So that means all aspects of life so eventually it’s a POSITIVE and rewarding impact that are having on others as well.

        I know I need to focus on these more, so I will to continue to. I want to be SOBER, not just a non-drinker (they are not the same).

        Thanks
        “Hope is being able to see that there is light despite all of the darkness”- Desmond Tutu


        STL

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          #5
          “Irritation and Anger: You consider staying away from drink a major sacrifice.”

          If you feel like you're making a sacrifice, it sounds like you're viewing alcohol as a positive thing. Objectively, it's a poison and if put up today for approval by the FDA, undoubtedly would not be allowed on the market. But - it's here, it's legal, and it's popular. So, on a personal level, what are you giving up by not drinking? And what are you gaining? Maybe write it out - if you're like most people here, the blessings of not drinking will far outweigh any sacrifice you're making.

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            #6
            My logical brain knows its a poison. My corrupted brain thinks it is still the answer to life's problems. I need to get my logical brain to come back and win...but it has had a really hard time and lost so many battles it should have won already in the last few years...I know I am still sick, but trying so dam hard to get better
            “Hope is being able to see that there is light despite all of the darkness”- Desmond Tutu


            STL

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              #7
              STL, I know what your saying but give it just a little more time. We had a wedding last weekend and of course it's open bar so everyone but me and my 90 year old grandma weren't drinking. Everyone kept asking where is your drink? My first thought as I'm looking across the table was I won't be falling asleep on the way home expecting my husband to be responsible for me and I won't be making an ASS out of myself wondering the next morning what the hell I did making my hangover worse by the guilt and shame. Instead of feeling like I was being deprived and envious of those people drinking I was truly grateful I wasn't. No internal argument with myself to get there. It was how I truly felt.

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                #8
                Cherokee- As much as it sounds kinda obvious ...you and your 90 year old grandma got it right,...regret the next day is a heavy burden many of us have felt...it sucks, it is painful...its is very hard to say NO to AL.....but, in the long run, ITS SOOO much harder when you say yes...lets say no way anymore to AL together as a group
                Last edited by See the Light; October 20, 2014, 10:01 PM.
                “Hope is being able to see that there is light despite all of the darkness”- Desmond Tutu


                STL

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                  #9
                  YOU BET!! I say hell no to AL. This Indian doesn't drink. We are all here for the same reason, to support and encourage each other as we navigate our way AF. We can't do it alone but together we can move mountains.:happy2:

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                    #10
                    sorry- X-post- EDIT_ Cherokee - I was just scrolling through the new posts before I went to bed and read your last post on the 100 days plus thread (which I'm not a member of yet) and thought of a million things to say..your post so moved me...but its not really my place to respond, but please listen to NS..she is spot on no doubt ...best wishes and hang in there
                    “Hope is being able to see that there is light despite all of the darkness”- Desmond Tutu


                    STL

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                      #11
                      Luv UR quote

                      Originally posted by See the Light View Post
                      sorry- X-post- EDIT_ Cherokee - I was just scrolling through the new posts before I went to bed and read your last post on the 100 days plus thread (which I'm not a member of yet) and thought of a million things to say..your post so moved me...but its not really my place to respond, but please listen to NS..she is spot on no doubt ...best wishes and hang in there
                      UR quote says sooo much! I will remember it. THANKX.
                      "Never give in. Never give in. Never, never, never, never -- in nothing, great or small, large or petty -- never give in, except to convictions of honor and good sense. Never yield to force. Never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy. " by Winston Churchill .

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                        #12
                        Say it all I have a million minutes to go and more... I'm listening....

                        Post to "see the light"..,
                        "Never give in. Never give in. Never, never, never, never -- in nothing, great or small, large or petty -- never give in, except to convictions of honor and good sense. Never yield to force. Never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy. " by Winston Churchill .

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                          #13
                          STL, you can respond to me always. PM me if you want. Your so close to the 100 days. Can't wait to see you there.:happy2:

                          Welcome Idaho, not sure what I said but if it helps I'm glad.

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                            #14
                            Sorry, didn’t mean to leave anyone hanging if I did. Took a half day from work today to get some rest. Allergies and my wacky brain have been taking their toll lately.

                            Cherokee- I am not Indian, but understand the pains you posted for other reasons. Be good to yourself, you have conquered much already.

                            After I got some rest this morning I have also determined that many of the supplements I had been taking (but stopped) were very much helping my moods, so I have starting taking a few new things, and added back some things I stopped. I already feel a little better but have considered seeing doctor for something medical if it does improve more,( but I still worry about the other side effects, so not sure). I have more research to do in all those regards. It is a complicated process, but still better than medicating with AL I am sure.

                            Thanks for everyone’s thoughts here, and additional ones still welcome.
                            “Hope is being able to see that there is light despite all of the darkness”- Desmond Tutu


                            STL

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                              #15
                              What supplements and what doses are/were you taking, STL?

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