Army June 22

[IamMary]

Re: Army June 22

I'll be going to Switzerland with Rusty. Holland do it as well. You wouldn't let a dog suffer like that.

Ditto, we will have some party over there before we exit :haha:

[Tabbers (a.k.a. KTAB)]

Re: Army June 22

Morning ladies, here yiz all are in ‘just starting out’ thought for one moment you had all abandoned me. It made me think how I would miss you all and the army support, almost visualised my starting the thread and talking to myself, I do that anyway. It also put me in mind of all of the people who have been through MWO over the years and many who I would consider my online friends, people with whom we share things that we wouldn’t tell to many in our lives, people who have walked the same path as us. Then they just up sticks one day and stop posting, no goodbye, it is sad in a way for we all know many have not succeeded in keeping sober, the lure was too strong and the memories too short. Maybe some did, the just saw it as the next chapter in their lives and needed MWO and us no more. If that is the case and they rode off into the sober sunset then that would make me very happy but life’s experiences has taught me otherwise. That is why I need the army and all of you, selfish perhaps but it matters to me that we all remember where we came from and how easy it can be all thrown away in an instance within the blink of an eye or the flicker of a thought, that maybe I can have ‘one’.
Have a happy sober Sunday morning, I love them.

[mollyka]

Re: Army June 22

Morning all...ach I started it in 'just starting out' cos I thought we were all losing the run of ourselves:welldone: (thought I was brilliant starting a thread...didn't notice where haha).
Your poor dad Mary when you say he's floored is he very ill or just shocked he got it?
I think we are in cloud cuckoo land if we truly believe the folks we drank drink for drink with just carried on without the sneaky ones...I think there are FAR more people who drink/drank like we did than we'll ever know. Probably cos there's so much shame attached to it. That's why the people who speak out do us all a favour.
No I've another week to work Mary...the party was Friday cos 2 of my closest pals are on holidays this week and they wanted to be there...the trouble they went to...unbelievable!

[satz123]

Re: Army June 22

Morning ladies, here yiz all are in ‘just starting out’ thought for one moment you had all abandoned me. It made me think how I would miss you all and the army support, almost visualised my starting the thread and talking to myself, I do that anyway. It also put me in mind of all of the people who have been through MWO over the years and many who I would consider my online friends, people with whom we share things that we wouldn’t tell to many in our lives, people who have walked the same path as us. Then they just up sticks one day and stop posting, no goodbye, it is sad in a way for we all know many have not succeeded in keeping sober, the lure was too strong and the memories too short. Maybe some did, the just saw it as the next chapter in their lives and needed MWO and us no more. If that is the case and they rode off into the sober sunset then that would make me very happy but life’s experiences has taught me otherwise. That is why I need the army and all of you, selfish perhaps but it matters to me that we all remember where we came from and how easy it can be all thrown away in an instance within the blink of an eye or the flicker of a thought, that maybe I can have ‘one’.
Have a happy sober Sunday morning, I love them.

THAT Dear Tabbers is how I feel in nutshell.
it is lovely to hear.
Thanks for articulating so well - so early in the morning :hug:

Off to work :horse:

[mollyka]

Re: Army June 22

To address Tabbers point about folk leaving and not saying anything I think there are numerous and some very authentic reasons. Hard to believe it now but this site could be quite nasty and combative in the past...as addicts we are sensitive souls...we lived a lot of our past lives in secret...ashamed and lacking self pride. To be pulled down and ridiculed on here was a step too far...also..many did revert to drinking or whatever the drug of choice is....I'll go back to the point of lack of self pride...to have to open up here to that 'failure'? again maybe a step too far...bearing in mind if we relapse we have no idea if we can 'get it' again...who knows?
So it's not always the case that someone uses MWO to get sober and then fecks off.....there are a myriad of reasons for a disappearance .....let's just be kind and prepared to welcome back all or wish them well if, as we hope, they have 'got it'!

[rustop59]

Re: Army June 22

[QUOTE=let's just be kind and prepared to welcome back all or wish them well if, as we hope, they have 'got it'![/QUOTE]

Amen to that, we never know what anyone is going through and thanks Tabs for being so articulate this early on a Sunday.

Sorry your Dad got it Mary and hope it is not a bad dose. Daughter doing mini marathon so I have to do a train drop in a few minutes. Then fading north to Newcastle for hike tomorrow. Have a lovely Sunday everyone.

[JackieClaire]

Re: Army June 22

Morning
Firstly I hadn't even noticed we were in 'Just starting Out'

So it's not always the case that someone uses MWO to get sober and then fecks off.....there are a myriad of reasons for a disappearance .....let's just be kind and prepared to welcome back all or wish them well if, as we hope, they have 'got it'!

Exactly..............
There are many on-line addict sites now...............we can't drag them over to MWO. I'm still in touch with a couple of ex-members who chose AA.

Now I'd better get dressed as we're going to the garden centre.

[Tabbers (a.k.a. KTAB)]

Re: Army June 22

I wasn’t being unkind ladies merely stating a fact. There have been people who have just disappeared without a word, now to me they are either A: drinking again or B: just moved on but staying sober.
I understand if they are drinking again that they may feel ashamed and full of regrets, not that we judge anyone, and just can’t bring themselves to reach out. However if someone just up and leaves without a word after posting daily for months and some cases years and doesn’t have the common courtesy to say goodbye even by PM then I am afraid I see that as poor form, but maybe they just see it as an easier option to one day just stop posting. We share our innermost feelings and very personal details here in our efforts to get sober and I thought there was a level of respect for each other but maybe I am just being naive. I do need to add I don’t do Facebook or other social platforms so outside of here I wouldn’t be keeping in touch. Sorry if anyone doesn’t like what I have to say on this subject but I say it as I feel it, being honest is a big part of sobriety I have found.

[satz123]

Re: Army June 22

However if someone just up and leaves without a word after posting daily for months and some cases years and doesn’t have the common courtesy to say goodbye even by PM then I am afraid I see that as poor form, but maybe they just see it as an easier option to one day just stop posting.

I have to again agree with you on that point @Tabbers (a.k.a KTAB) - I find it quite hard to fathom & sometimes hurtful to form a bond with someone for years & one day they just feck off !!
Not everyone was subject to the nasty stuff that went on at MWO but just upped & off anyway.
I believe some people do not feel welcome sometimes or feel they don't fit in - but put on the big knickers and keep posting like we all had to do to get to the point we are at now.
If you want it enough you'll put up with anything.

The last people I remember having the balls to say they had enough for the moment were Molls and Dreamy.

[mollyka]

Re: Army June 22

I wasn’t being unkind ladies merely stating a fact. There have been people who have just disappeared without a word, now to me they are either A: drinking again or B: just moved on but staying sober.
I understand if they are drinking again that they may feel ashamed and full of regrets, not that we judge anyone, and just can’t bring themselves to reach out. However if someone just up and leaves without a word after posting daily for months and some cases years and doesn’t have the common courtesy to say goodbye even by PM then I am afraid I see that as poor form, but maybe they just see it as an easier option to one day just stop posting. We share our innermost feelings and very personal details here in our efforts to get sober and I thought there was a level of respect for each other but maybe I am just being naive. I do need to add I don’t do Facebook or other social platforms so outside of here I wouldn’t be keeping in touch. Sorry if anyone doesn’t like what I have to say on this subject but I say it as I feel it, being honest is a big part of sobriety I have found.

Good heavens Tabs I wasn't disagreeing..I was just putting another point of view...I've been very hurt when it has happened with a few people that I felt quite close to...but like in real life...some make friends for life and some drift apart...oh I dunno...I agree with you but like to tell myself it's carelessness at worst rather than out and out snubs that's all!!

Evening all...I was so tired this evening I was falling asleep at the tele at 7pm so I just came to bed!

[IamMary]

Re: Army June 22

Dads floored with the dose Molly
They were not hiding away, so we can't believe they dodged it for so long. Loads have it after the funeral now. Mams still negative but feeling rotten.

Great Post Tabbers. I think people stop posting cos they can. It's the Internet. We have a made up name and thats it really.. your not going to bump into mary down the road in mass or Jacinta in the butchers, asking where you've been.
A week goes by, then a month... then a few months.. its easy to drift and hard to come back and commit I suppose.

Or yes, drink and shame, or shame without the drink, just because you did drift. Its that horrible word again, shame. We should rename ourselves Shameless Army :happy2:

How did your daughter get on Rustop?

Very little done today. Must do that more ofter. Thank you rain.

[lifechange]

Re: Army June 22

Good Morning, Shameless Army!
i'm definitely one who disappears when i'm drinking.. when i can't face myself or lie to the lovely people on this site. i know how supportive everyone is, but until i'm ready to put myself in there and do the work, i just read at times, without posting. i love this place, the sense of communtity, the caring and understanding and laughter.. i can't imagine leaving if i were in a good space.. but that's just me.. hope you all don't mind me following along again..:love:

[satz123]

Re: Army June 22

Morning all. @lifechange - is it aka Elsie ? you are welcome back :hug:.
Pull up a seat and tell us what's happening in your life.
As you know none of us stray too far from the Army barracks ........

[Tabbers (a.k.a. KTAB)]

Re: Army June 22

Good morning Army, just to finish on this subject I didn't mean to be critical of people who disappeared, I am sure everyone has their reasons, it is more about how it made me feel.
Hi Mary I take your point but we have had Army meet ups and dinner out outside of here, I have met JC and Molly in ‘real life’ for example, but maybe I just take things too personally.

LC, welcome back and please don’t ever feel you can’t post. Ah shame, yes I remember it, it is just one of the things that kept me drinking for years. Being honest is key to making the first steps, and being honest to ourselves is the most important one. Nobody here judges for who are we to judge anyone. I drank for nearly 40 years, the last 20 of this was every single day, with many failed attempts thrown in so I know all about the self loathing, the regrets, the pain and self hating who looked back at me in the mirror most mornings at the ‘weak man’ I was. It effected every area of my life.
Thing is there was no need for me to feel shame about being addicted, alcohol is a highly addictive carcinogenic drug that if invented today would never be made legal, simple as that. The fact that nobody thought that way and anyone who became addicted was seen as somehow weak or even of bad moral fiber back in the 50s has feed into the lie and this is still how many in society see us, as some sort of pariah, but this is changing and education is key.
So please hang in there and do post, every single day if even if it is only to say hello. Any journey starts with one foot in front of another and in my experience the time I needed this place and the support of others here was when I least wanted to but most needed it. Hang in there, it is possible to stop the madness and for all it’s flaws life is so so much better when we stop poisoning ourselves.
Take care.

[rustop59]

Re: Army June 22

Good morning everyone

Welcome Lifechange, good to hear from you. Please don’t be a stranger. As a serial relapser know how easy it is to stay away. Maybe this time commit to just posting here no matter what? It worked for me. Didn’t feel very proud when I did slip and got nothing but support which in turn encouraged me to keep going. I wanted what these ladies and Tabs have. Tabs is another one who had a rocky road but kept coming back.

[MENTION=11089]techie[/MENTION] we are here in newbies. Molly decided to shake things up. Poor techie thought the whole army had left MWO.

Hope your parents are soon ok Mary. Daughter ran it in 57 min, no idea if that’s good or bad but she was happy to have done it.

Here in the Mourne mountains, very pretty. Off on the hike in a few hours, will be full day so catch up tomorrow .