Army June 22

[satz123]

Re: Army June 22

Morning everyone else

Hope yiz aren't all offended but I've always been open about how I feel about this stuff...
With all that typing on my phone I've forgotten what everyone else said....sorry

I'm sure no-one is offended Molls ! :hug:
Why would they ?
If we can't have an opinion - what's the bloody point ?

[satz123]

Re: Army June 22

Morning

@satz123..................its far too soon for him to be galloping off for a new job. Sorry but I've got this vision of the staff saying 'ooh its Friday lets go to the pub'
He needs some good solid sobriety behind him.

EXACTLY Jacks - a disaster waiting to happen. A University town too :egad:

[stirly-girly]

Re: Army June 22

EXACTLY Jacks - a disaster waiting to happen. A University town too :egad:

In Canada, Mr. Stirly and I lived in the city of Kingston Ontario. Home of Queen's University - one of the most esteemed Uni's in the world. Richie rich kids from all over the world attended as well as kids from Canada's financial upper class. The students from outside of Canada who attended were, for the most part, serious and studied diligently. However, the Canadians were a rowdy bunch who drank to excess every chance they could. As happens in most uni towns. So, again, as you said, best he rethink and re-plan. Jobs will always be there. but will his sobriety??

[mollyka]

Re: Army June 22

I'm sure no-one is offended Molls ! :hug:
Why would they ?
If we can't have an opinion - what's the bloody point ?

I've upset folk on here before saying similar! Anyway...my sober days could be numbered....JOKING...but seriously been out all day for Joe to go shopping...lathering heart..he's a nightmare!!!! I'm exhausted@

[satz123]

Re: Army June 22

Well if those people are telling him to go for ot he is obviously giving them a deluded version of himself so yes you are absolutely right imo.
So that counsellor is online? Oh Benjy...I presumed it was in person face to face...now this is where yiz can all slam me to your hearts content..but imo...again....online is seriously inferior to 'in person'. Anyone can lather on the bullshit in a way its hard to do when you are sitting looking them in the eye. If I had money to put on it I would say it is 100% his sanatized version of himself she sees. I would ask him to attend a trained addiction counsellor post haste...you have him sober at the moment...don't let him waste his time....this precious window...on some online nonsense.
And yes I know LOTS of you got sober with mwo alone...but I'll ask you 2 questions before uou slam me..#1 had you gone as far in your addiction as YS?
#2 if you examine that time when sobriety and mwo happened together do you not sort of believe that you were genuinely ready for sobriety and just needed the extra nudge that mwo supplies?
I may be wrong...of course I may be...but I truly feel he needs more and agree with you wholeheartedly that move could be very bad...however..if I were you I'd also be very tempted to send him on his merry way...but yeah...you know he'll be back if and when things go wrong and you will have to pick up the pieces again.
Sorry this is so negative but this 3 weeks of sobriety it needs to be worked and treated by an expert...not some online 'face'....as always...just my opinion and sent with love xxx

I thought I'd responded to this ....
I've highlighted the things that for me are very true.

#1 had you gone as far in your addiction as YS? NO ..... not even close. I was only in the ha'penny place compared to him.
#2 if you examine that time when sobriety and mwo happened together do you not sort of believe that you were genuinely ready for sobriety and just needed the extra nudge that mwo supplies? YES

Oh Benjy...I presumed it was in person face to face...now this is where yiz can all slam me to your hearts content..but imo...again....online is seriously inferior to 'in person'.

This guy is down the other end of the county Molls. It's in zoom format.
Which most places resorted to during Covid - & may be going back to. A lot of AA meetings are still on Zoom.
BUt he'd have no problem lying F2F too. He's had plenty of practice.

[mollyka]

Re: Army June 22

I thought I'd responded to this ....
I've highlighted the things that for me are very true.





This guy is down the other end of the county Molls. It's in zoom format.
Which most places resorted to during Covid - & may be going back to. A lot of AA meetings are still on Zoom.
BUt he'd have no problem lying F2F too. He's had plenty of practice.

Yeah I presumed it was Zoom or Teams alright...and of course he can lie F2F but an experienced counsellor can pick up on tiny things that are definitely overlooked online...look...of course it's better than nothing but I'm sure loads are seeing people 'live'. It is shocking to me that AA is still doing that format...its lazy and sloppy imo.
In the building where I was working Citizens Information were still working online behind closed doors...an absolute disgrace when you think of the dire situations people would be in...more likely than not unable to access a computer...aaaarrrrggghhhh!!!!!

[satz123]

Re: Army June 22

It is shocking to me that AA is still doing that format...its lazy and sloppy imo.

And when YS was told he couldn't go back to Ceim Eile in Waterford - the Aiséiri 'mother ship' in Wexford told him the only support he would have was aftercare - & guess what ? - that's online too for 2 hours. And we had paid 1000 euro for it in the original fees.

[mollyka]

Re: Army June 22

And when YS was told he couldn't go back to Ceim Eile in Waterford - the Aiséiri 'mother ship' in Wexford told him the only support he would have was aftercare - & guess what ? - that's online too for 2 hours. And we had paid 1000 euro for it in the original fees.

Oh god that's terrible.. Aftercare was the best part of it for me...but we didn't pay for that in the fees..we just paid something every week we went....but still this bollix that grew out of Covid...WFH among it and now people think they have a 'right' to not turn up...doctors have been brought back kicking and screaming..similar from what you say with counselling serviced...the citizen information I mentioned earlier....covid covid covid....however minions like I was or shop workers or so many others (and yourself if you don't mind being referred to as a minion!!) were obviously completely dispensable...pushed out in front of the public throughout the pandemic...and the addicts...the children with special needs...the old people not getting to see a doctor..similar cancer patients....all left to rot ....sorry...bandwagonning again!!

[IamMary]

Re: Army June 22

Ah satz, totally agree on the new job. Tempting to get him out of your hair, but its asking for trouble. I think he should get a job, even part time. It's probably beneath him, but a shop or cafe. Volunteering somewhere, a hospital or a hospice like JCs Jenny. Everyone is desperate for staff and human interaction.

Hope you got out with the dogs later this afternoon Rustop, what a nutty day! [MENTION=15430]lifechange[/MENTION], fantastic achievement and you sound very determined. Stay close, your doing brilliant.
[MENTION=11158]stirly-girly[/MENTION], I was that calculated drinker too!! Omg.. even if I recalculated half way through the night (opening another bottle) I was still calculating! Freedom from that along is heaven.

[lifechange]

Re: Army June 22

Morning Army!!!

another quick fly by on my way to work this morning..

wishing you all a nice wednesday and see you this afternoon..xx

[mollyka]

Re: Army June 22

Morning people!
Got my booster vaccine yesterday and tbh feel a bit gak...not shocking bad but a bit shaky and headachey...going to stay in bed while the two boys go hiking.
Any decision from YS Benjy? I remember at one (thankfully fleeting) stage ...things were not good between Joe and myself...I thought of getting a small apartment ...underneath of course I was thinking the heaven of a place to myself and being able to open a bttle of wine (yeah... A bottle...who was I codding) if and when I wanted to...did the sums tho and that went right out the window thankfully...I think things could truly have gotten out of hand ....wonder is he thinking similar?

[JackieClaire]

Re: Army June 22

Morning,
A quickie from me as well. Its craft day so got to get a shift on.
Before before I dash off................it pisses me off that doctors are still doing phone calls or zooming or in your case, Satz, Wexford.

It struck me last week that the majority of shops have remained opened...............granted they're behind screens. But they turn up day in day out.

Its Mr JC's birthday and we're going out..................to the vets to get Mikey's booster jab.

Hope you get your mojo back soon, Molls.

[rustop59]

Re: Army June 22

Morning everyone

Another one just popping in to say hello. Full day planned, catching up on housework, buying paint etc. Enjoy crafts JC and hope you are feeling better soon Molly.

On the subject of counselling, totally unregulated in this country and a disgrace that some people can play the system and set themselves up without being properly qualified. I have a neighbor who has done it and if you knew her you would not send your cat never mind a child to her. Hopefully in addiction there is more vetting but like all professions there are good and bad ones.

[satz123]

Re: Army June 22

Morning people!
Got my booster vaccine yesterday and tbh feel a bit gak...not shocking bad but a bit shaky and headachey...going to stay in bed while the two boys go hiking.
Any decision from YS Benjy? I remember at one (thankfully fleeting) stage ...things were not good between Joe and myself...I thought of getting a small apartment ...underneath of course I was thinking the heaven of a place to myself and being able to open a bttle of wine (yeah... A bottle...who was I codding) if and when I wanted to...did the sums tho and that went right out the window thankfully...I think things could truly have gotten out of hand ....wonder is he thinking similar?

I like to think not - but he is being very stupid for such an intelligent guy..
I truly believe he wants to be 'normal' & tell people he has a job and not living at home @ 41 'like a loser'. And yes I do want the same thing for him & get him out of here.

I don't doubt he that he will go to Limerick with all the best intentions - but is blinkered when it comes to remembering how easy it is to fall into the alcohol trap again.

[mollyka]

Re: Army June 22

Morning everyone

Another one just popping in to say hello. Full day planned, catching up on housework, buying paint etc. Enjoy crafts JC and hope you are feeling better soon Molly.

On the subject of counselling, totally unregulated in this country and a disgrace that some people can play the system and set themselves up without being properly qualified. I have a neighbor who has done it and if you knew her you would not send your cat never mind a child to her. Hopefully in addiction there is more vetting but like all professions there are good and bad ones.

It is utterly disgraceful...the one and only time I went to a counsellor...allegedly an addiction counsellor...she spent an entire hour telling me of coping mechanisms to not go into a supermarket next door to where I worked....I told her 10 times that that was no issue ...the last place on the planet I'd have gone into..next door to work! She was an absolute muppet...kept telling me about the shame I must feel....yeah I really needed her to rub it in!
Anyways...
Just back from a lovely walk along the river..beautiful day!