drinking on Naltrexone (sinclair method)
dont trust the doctors!
Hi again,
i was trying to read all the posts in this wonderful forum to see if it corroborates my findings, and to address some of the misgivings.
First of all, i must mention that i have studied medicine for a few years. I had aced my pharmaceutical term.
Most doctors you meet, will either be from my batch or earlier. I don't remember studying Naltrexone. Even if it was in my textbook, it was not touched upon.
So how do doctors who passed out then learn about newer drugs?
The medical representatives (MR) who represent and market drug companies. But the companies that are marketing Naltrexone cannot invest in MR's because it is a specialist medication, and so they would probably send a pamphlet to the doctors.
Now how many doctors do you think read unsolicited mails... its junk mail right?
Also, Naltrexone was not invented for alcoholism but for heroine deaddiction. (just like viagra was developed for something else and is used for something else.)
It was Dr. Sinclair who probably stumbled onto this discovery, so the doctors who scoff at the way Nal is prescribed by dr. sinclair should not be too cocky.
Just about a year ago, a colleague/ friend from my med college suggested Nal to me. She herself described it absolutely wrong. Not her fault really, she is a part of the Australia GP system. So she has to do what she is told.
She is told that when she prescribes Nal, to tell the patient to go abstinent.
Obviously this doctor has to follow orders or will be admonished. They are not allowed to read "pop" literature and use it on patients, cause obviously lives are at risk here.
AND it sounds counterintuitive and frankly, too good to be true.. here, take this pill and drink and call me 4 months later.
Its like taking asprin for headaches.... too easy.
There are generally two errors that doctors make about Nal.
1) error 1 advising Nal and not drinking
(why it works despite this wrong advice is that most people cant resist booze, and ignore doctors orders and drink on the sly. so by not following the orders they are following the correct protocol.)
2) error 2 - to take Nal everyday even when not drinking.
The error in no. 2 point is even more dangerous.
Dr. Sinclair, and Dr. common sense will tell you that if you keep blocking your endorphin channels you will ultimately get disinterested in all good thing and life in general. I can tell you that can lead to depression for those who are susceptible.
In fact, the same doctor who told me about Nal, (and who does tell the patients to take it eveyday) also told me that a lady patient of hers stopped drinking, but later she committed suicide, so she warned me against taking the medicine.
Dr. Sinclair has specified that you must not drink and not take the tablet atleast once a week. To allow the normal endorphins to do their jobs can keep you happy and enthusiastic.
pl. let me know what other falacies doctors are advocating, cause i am creating a pamphlet for doctors in my town to educate them. If they listen.
In my case, two things that i didn't do, since i have not read the book (just heard the podcast and followed this forum.)
I did not stop drinking 1 or more days before starting the Nal. (even if i had known, going even one day without drinking was not possible for me a year ago.)
I also could not go one day a week alcohol and Nal free. I think i took it for 5 months and had only 4- 5 Nal free days.
although i did vary my dose.. 25 mg. 2-3 days.. 50 mg 2-3 days. and alternated as i saw my drinking go down. I have even slipped on a rare day, i decided to go Nal free, and at about midnight after a good workout, i took a small drink (without Nal.) I dont recommend that.
But just being honest and telling you that one slip up doesnt wipe out sobriety.
One year later i am Soberish. I haven't stopped totally.
I have never felt better. I still drink, whenever a good cricket match is on. Very recently i finished nearly a half a bottle in a period of 5 hours, but i was on Nal. And the next day i didnt drink at all. Whereas earlier i would have been having the hair of the dog.
I live in India, and the medicines are relatively expensive vis a vis our earnings. (about a dollar a pop.) but one beer is about a dollar as well.
The economics worked out eventually, not to mention that i lost weight, gained muscles, a social life, admiration (but also envy) among friends and family.
(they however don't think its a big deal cause i hid my alcoholism from them.)
My favourite parts of the Nal treatment. No throwing up for more than a year now. And i actually end up throwing away remainder of my drink after 1 or 2. And definitely all those lazy sunday afternoon beers are a thing of a hazy memory.
But yeah, take all the willpower you can muster and try to not drink and take Nal once a week atleast as soon as possible, one week or one month later.
You should NOT have Nal in your system constantly.
I have a feeling i am addicted to Nal!
I know this post is long, but i hope it helps. I also hope you can help me with specific goofs and must- do's so i can write a practical how-to primer for those who have small attention spans and dont enjoy reading.
Something that i can pass along to doctors and at those dreadful AA meetings.
I know that doctors advice taking Nal and going to AA meetings, but after you are on Nal, you feel so good you dont want to waste time with those boozer losers. (heh heh.. see how i see myself now!)
dont trust the doctors!
Hi again,
i was trying to read all the posts in this wonderful forum to see if it corroborates my findings, and to address some of the misgivings.
First of all, i must mention that i have studied medicine for a few years. I had aced my pharmaceutical term.
Most doctors you meet, will either be from my batch or earlier. I don't remember studying Naltrexone. Even if it was in my textbook, it was not touched upon.
So how do doctors who passed out then learn about newer drugs?
The medical representatives (MR) who represent and market drug companies. But the companies that are marketing Naltrexone cannot invest in MR's because it is a specialist medication, and so they would probably send a pamphlet to the doctors.
Now how many doctors do you think read unsolicited mails... its junk mail right?
Also, Naltrexone was not invented for alcoholism but for heroine deaddiction. (just like viagra was developed for something else and is used for something else.)
It was Dr. Sinclair who probably stumbled onto this discovery, so the doctors who scoff at the way Nal is prescribed by dr. sinclair should not be too cocky.
Just about a year ago, a colleague/ friend from my med college suggested Nal to me. She herself described it absolutely wrong. Not her fault really, she is a part of the Australia GP system. So she has to do what she is told.
She is told that when she prescribes Nal, to tell the patient to go abstinent.
Obviously this doctor has to follow orders or will be admonished. They are not allowed to read "pop" literature and use it on patients, cause obviously lives are at risk here.
AND it sounds counterintuitive and frankly, too good to be true.. here, take this pill and drink and call me 4 months later.
Its like taking asprin for headaches.... too easy.
There are generally two errors that doctors make about Nal.
1) error 1 advising Nal and not drinking
(why it works despite this wrong advice is that most people cant resist booze, and ignore doctors orders and drink on the sly. so by not following the orders they are following the correct protocol.)
2) error 2 - to take Nal everyday even when not drinking.
The error in no. 2 point is even more dangerous.
Dr. Sinclair, and Dr. common sense will tell you that if you keep blocking your endorphin channels you will ultimately get disinterested in all good thing and life in general. I can tell you that can lead to depression for those who are susceptible.
In fact, the same doctor who told me about Nal, (and who does tell the patients to take it eveyday) also told me that a lady patient of hers stopped drinking, but later she committed suicide, so she warned me against taking the medicine.
Dr. Sinclair has specified that you must not drink and not take the tablet atleast once a week. To allow the normal endorphins to do their jobs can keep you happy and enthusiastic.
pl. let me know what other falacies doctors are advocating, cause i am creating a pamphlet for doctors in my town to educate them. If they listen.
In my case, two things that i didn't do, since i have not read the book (just heard the podcast and followed this forum.)
I did not stop drinking 1 or more days before starting the Nal. (even if i had known, going even one day without drinking was not possible for me a year ago.)
I also could not go one day a week alcohol and Nal free. I think i took it for 5 months and had only 4- 5 Nal free days.
although i did vary my dose.. 25 mg. 2-3 days.. 50 mg 2-3 days. and alternated as i saw my drinking go down. I have even slipped on a rare day, i decided to go Nal free, and at about midnight after a good workout, i took a small drink (without Nal.) I dont recommend that.
But just being honest and telling you that one slip up doesnt wipe out sobriety.
One year later i am Soberish. I haven't stopped totally.
I have never felt better. I still drink, whenever a good cricket match is on. Very recently i finished nearly a half a bottle in a period of 5 hours, but i was on Nal. And the next day i didnt drink at all. Whereas earlier i would have been having the hair of the dog.
I live in India, and the medicines are relatively expensive vis a vis our earnings. (about a dollar a pop.) but one beer is about a dollar as well.
The economics worked out eventually, not to mention that i lost weight, gained muscles, a social life, admiration (but also envy) among friends and family.
(they however don't think its a big deal cause i hid my alcoholism from them.)
My favourite parts of the Nal treatment. No throwing up for more than a year now. And i actually end up throwing away remainder of my drink after 1 or 2. And definitely all those lazy sunday afternoon beers are a thing of a hazy memory.
But yeah, take all the willpower you can muster and try to not drink and take Nal once a week atleast as soon as possible, one week or one month later.
You should NOT have Nal in your system constantly.
I have a feeling i am addicted to Nal!
I know this post is long, but i hope it helps. I also hope you can help me with specific goofs and must- do's so i can write a practical how-to primer for those who have small attention spans and dont enjoy reading.
Something that i can pass along to doctors and at those dreadful AA meetings.
I know that doctors advice taking Nal and going to AA meetings, but after you are on Nal, you feel so good you dont want to waste time with those boozer losers. (heh heh.. see how i see myself now!)
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