Consolidated Baclofen Progress Thread

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Consolidated Baclofen Progress Thread

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[Kozmix]

Bac def gives me a weird talkative euphoria. Also makes me feel motivated to get everything done. Problem is I can't do everything, but my brain tries to. I end up making to do list for my to do list. I am super energized and driven on the baclofen. And what's weird is as soon as I get into bed (thinking I will never go to sleep with all this energy) I pass smooth out within 10 minutes. And get excellent quality of sleep. 8+ hours

[Taylor007]

Help

I need to know how to make liquid baclofen
And fast! I'm a first time blogger here. I need help. I just broke up with my boyfriend, who had been making his own liquid baclofen and supplying me for months. I am up to 200mg a day. As we left it, he did not even give me enough to titration down safely. He told me to either figure it out or suffer the pain staking withdrawals. I need to know a safe receive of citric acid, distilled water, and baclofen. Also if there anywhere you could direct me to get it. I know of one website but am hesitant...He refuses to to tell me where or how to get it. Baclofen has changed my life, it has made me a better person today. Finally able to get out of the drunk hungover haze that I was in to actually accomplish my dreams. I don't want to quit my treatment and I don't want to be hospitalized for terrible withdrawals either...please help.

[Baclofenman]

Hi There

On day 2 of baclofen 10mg 3 or four times a day for 5 days then raise by 10mg for 5 days etc is the programme I am following - Had bad headache today may be Baclofen maybe cold I have had for last month - Who knows

Still drinking two bottles of white wine a day

Bacman

[Mentium]

Hi and welcome Bacman. I am a little further along the baclofen road than you and have a thread about my journey here if you are interested: https://www.mywayout.org/community/me...n-journey.html

I'm probably not very typical but to summarise I titrated up to around 140 mg a day while drinking about the same as you - perhaps a little less - certainly a bottle and a half. I actually found that drinking while taking that amount was making me feel pretty crap. I also probably increased the dose too fast which meant I had more side effects than I needed to have had as well.

There are people here - quite a few, who drank until the baclofen did its thing - which is fine of course, however in my case I was feeling so awful I managed to stop drinking and then gradually reduced my dosage to its current level of 80 mg. In my case (and everyone's experience seems to vary a t least a bit) the baclofen stopped cravings dead in their tracks once I stopped drinking. I have no desire to drink and except for a minor one night slip I have not had a drink for over 20 days. And not missed it in the slightest.

Like I said everyone's journey is different and I am not advising you to necessarily try to stop (I know how hard it is - I just felt at a mini-rock bottom), but it is a point of view worth considering.

Lots of people here with far more knowledge and experience than me. They are pretty quiet on-line at the moment but I'm sure you will hear from some of them soon!

[Baclofenman]

Hi and welcome Bacman. I am a little further along the baclofen road than you and have a thread about my journey here if you are interested: https://www.mywayout.org/community/me...n-journey.html

I'm probably not very typical but to summarise I titrated up to around 140 mg a day while drinking about the same as you - perhaps a little less - certainly a bottle and a half. I actually found that drinking while taking that amount was making me feel pretty crap. I also probably increased the dose too fast which meant I had more side effects than I needed to have had as well.

There are people here - quite a few, who drank until the baclofen did its thing - which is fine of course, however in my case I was feeling so awful I managed to stop drinking and then gradually reduced my dosage to its current level of 80 mg. In my case (and everyone's experience seems to vary a t least a bit) the baclofen stopped cravings dead in their tracks once I stopped drinking. I have no desire to drink and except for a minor one night slip I have not had a drink for over 20 days. And not missed it in the slightest.

Like I said everyone's journey is different and I am not advising you to necessarily try to stop (I know how hard it is - I just felt at a mini-rock bottom), but it is a point of view worth considering.

Lots of people here with far more knowledge and experience than me. They are pretty quiet on-line at the moment but I'm sure you will hear from some of them soon!

Thankyou Mentium for your time to reply to me - I will read your thread with much interest

What were your Baclofen SE

Regards

Bacman

[Mentium]

I had quite a few SEs. Most of them were not unpleasant and you might want to be prepared for them. They include mild shock sensations in the hands and arms, some visual disturbances, like very short flash images. I also had bouts of severely blocked nasal passages. There were a few other random ones. As I say, nothing alarming so please don't be put off. In my case, and as I said earlier everyone's experience seems different, I experienced what I can only describe as acute and deeply oppressive depression. It was pretty tough and the thing that made me decide to try to stop drinking. I suspect in my case it was a combination of drinking, baclofen and too rapid an increase in the dose. When I peddled back a bit the mental anguish, which was pretty nasty, went very quickly.

I can't repeat often enough that each person seems to travel this road rather differently, so please don't let me put you off. On the other hand you should be prepared for some potentially unexpected side effects. Prepared is pre-armed!

[Spiritfree]

Hi There

On day 2 of baclofen 10mg 3 or four times a day for 5 days then raise by 10mg for 5 days etc is the programme I am following - Had bad headache today may be Baclofen maybe cold I have had for last month - Who knows

Still drinking two bottles of white wine a day

Bacman

Hi BacMan -Baclofen in its current form is a very difficult medication to endure at high doses (and even at low doses) -initially. The primary debilitating effect of Baclofen is somnolence. If you are willing to endure the side effects, Baclofen has a huge chance of changing your life for the good. For me, Baclofen diminished my OCD and Anxiety which were both primary causes for my drinking (and then drinking became my primary cause for drinking -lol, but true).

Side Note: It seems to be a very difficult road to travel when taking baclofen and still drinking. However, there have been a few reports from people that they were eventually able to quit drinking while taking baclofen along with their drinking.

[Molly78]

I'm another one who found that baclofen worked better without SE when not drinking. The first time I tried it I was drinking & although it seemed initially to help me reduce my total Al intake a little, it wasn't enough for me to continue taking it. The second attempt, I started baclofen on day 1 of no alcohol & never looked back. Able to increase dose quite fast.

I'm concerned about Taylor - no one has come up with any ideas to help her. Taylor - can you not transfer to baclofen tabs while you sort it out? They are easy to order onlline, & some docs will give you them at a lowish does.

[Baclofenman]

Hi Spirit Free - Thankyou for your reply

Hi BacMan -Baclofen in its current form is a very difficult medication to endure at high doses (and even at low doses) -initially. The primary debilitating effect of Baclofen is somnolence.

Yes - See that last few days have slept like a dead person - No waking at 3.00am with Anxiety - This is good - Not feeling any dozier during the day so far but its only day 3

(and then drinking became my primary cause for drinking -lol, but true).

Yes - I can deffo see that - Love Irony us brits

Side Note: It seems to be a very difficult road to travel when taking baclofen and still drinking. However, there have been a few reports from people that they were eventually able to quit drinking while taking baclofen along with their drinking.

I am new so not sure of "your story" - I am aware of the "pro" Baclofem stories which is what drew me to importing prescription drugs but not so much of the bad stories, especially those combining Baclofen and Alcohol - A link or two to a couple would be nice if you have the tikme

Regards


Bacman

[Baclofenman]

I had quite a few SEs. Most of them were not unpleasant and you might want to be prepared for them. They include mild shock sensations in the hands and arms, some visual disturbances, like very short flash images. I also had bouts of severely blocked nasal passages. There were a few other random ones. As I say, nothing alarming so please don't be put off. In my case, and as I said earlier everyone's experience seems different, I experienced what I can only describe as acute and deeply oppressive depression. It was pretty tough and the thing that made me decide to try to stop drinking. I suspect in my case it was a combination of drinking, baclofen and too rapid an increase in the dose. When I peddled back a bit the mental anguish, which was pretty nasty, went very quickly.

I can't repeat often enough that each person seems to travel this road rather differently, so please don't let me put you off. On the other hand you should be prepared for some potentially unexpected side effects. Prepared is pre-armed!

Thank you so much for your reply

The feeling I get is that I am/you were on similar courses - The difference is that I have gained knowledge from my peers experience, including thankfully yours

I am taking 10mg 3 or 4 times a day for five days and iintend to increase by 10mg every 5 days - This seems to be the prescription of experience? - I thank you for reminding us all that every journey is different

I am not sure I chose the right time of year to get into this but maybe some time in January I can try to stop AL or maybe in Feb or March I can reach the switch - Slight concern that I am replacing one drug with another

Regards



Bacman

[Mentium]

I would say you are pacing yourself properly. I went too fast!

As to replacing one drug with another? Well baclofen isn't addictive, doesn't alter your consciousness, isn't dangerous even in large doses and appears to be benign in all respects. Some people keep taking it at quite high does, some slowly decrease once they reach their 'switch' to the point where they start to waver a bit and then steady themselves. Others stop taking it and either stay off the booze or choose to start drinking again. Dependence on baclofen is perhaps best thought of more like taking insulin if you are diabetic rather than as a psycho-active drug.

[Baclofenman]

Hi Mentium

As to replacing one drug with another? Well baclofen isn't addictive, doesn't alter your consciousness, isn't dangerous even in large doses and appears to be benign in all respects. Some people keep taking it at quite high does, some slowly decrease once they reach their 'switch' to the point where they start to waver a bit and then steady themselves.

It may not be clinically addictive but surely if it a crutch to iniitally stop and then maintain the need not to use alcohol iit must be classed in a sub section under drugs?

Others stop taking it and either stay off the booze or choose to start drinking again.

I would be very interested in any stories of the fiormer- Most I have read involve reaching a plateau and maintaining thiis intake to remain sober?

Dependence on baclofen is perhaps best thought of more like taking insulin if you are diabetic rather than as a psycho-active drug.

Yes - I think that is a good analogy

I was rather hoping that instead of wasting £1000' on wine I could invest £1000' in Baclofen and then intake down to nil - Looks like I may have been a little to optermistic?

Regards



Bacman

Regards

[Lostinspace]

Welcome to the forum, Baclofenman! I’m glad to hear that bac is already helping you anxiety-wise, by letting you sleep through the night. I wouldn’t expect it to affect your drinking at this low dose, so don’t worry about the lack of improvement there yet. It is good to be aware of what kinds of potential side effects there are, so that you can know what’s happening if you should happen to get those side effects, but at the same time, don’t psych yourself out and go looking for them. Each person’s response to baclofen is unique as far as side effects go. I had a very easy ride up on baclofen, with very few side effects. I used to think I had none at all until I read about other people mentioning things I dealt with while titrating up (post-nasal drip and excessive coughing, back spasms), and recently my husband told me I have sleep apnea. I credit my lack of side effects to three things: 1) I titrated up very slowly, probably more slowly than anyone else I’ve seen on this site, 2) I managed to cut back my drinking to a small fraction of what it was very early on in the process (and bac’s cutting back on my cravings helped me to achieve this!), and 3) luck of the draw - my body just takes to baclofen well.

My point is you don’t yet know where you’ll end up on the side effect spectrum, whether you’ll be one of the lucky ones with few to no side effects, or whether you’ll have a tougher time. So don’t worry about it yet and let things evolve as they will. Just go up slowly - VERY important for keeping side effects at bay. Going up 10 mg every five days is a great guideline to start with, but if you find you’re getting hit hard with side effects, slow it down a little. The last thing you want to do is charge up in dose on a set schedule, ignoring what your body is telling you, then end up quitting bac altogether when you decide that it’s too harsh a treatment. Slow and steady wins the race, as they say.

I would also echo that taking bac is not replacing one drug for another. As with the diabetic analogy, you’re taking a medication that is fixing the underlying problem and thereby negating the need for alcohol. It’s not replacing anything. It’s curing an underlying illness. Anyway, good luck to you, and I hope you’ll continue posting

[Baclofenman]

Welcome to the forum, Baclofenman! I’m glad to hear that bac is already helping you anxiety-wise, by letting you sleep through the night. I wouldn’t expect it to affect your drinking at this low dose, so don’t worry about the lack of improvement there yet. It is good to be aware of what kinds of potential side effects there are, so that you can know what’s happening if you should happen to get those side effects, but at the same time, don’t psych yourself out and go looking for them. Each person’s response to baclofen is unique as far as side effects go. I had a very easy ride up on baclofen, with very few side effects. I used to think I had none at all until I read about other people mentioning things I dealt with while titrating up (post-nasal drip and excessive coughing, back spasms), and recently my husband told me I have sleep apnea. I credit my lack of side effects to three things: 1) I titrated up very slowly, probably more slowly than anyone else I’ve seen on this site, 2) I managed to cut back my drinking to a small fraction of what it was very early on in the process (and bac’s cutting back on my cravings helped me to achieve this!), and 3) luck of the draw - my body just takes to baclofen well.

My point is you don’t yet know where you’ll end up on the side effect spectrum, whether you’ll be one of the lucky ones with few to no side effects, or whether you’ll have a tougher time. So don’t worry about it yet and let things evolve as they will. Just go up slowly - VERY important for keeping side effects at bay. Going up 10 mg every five days is a great guideline to start with, but if you find you’re getting hit hard with side effects, slow it down a little. The last thing you want to do is charge up in dose on a set schedule, ignoring what your body is telling you, then end up quitting bac altogether when you decide that it’s too harsh a treatment. Slow and steady wins the race, as they say.

I would also echo that taking bac is not replacing one drug for another. As with the diabetic analogy, you’re taking a medication that is fixing the underlying problem and thereby negating the need for alcohol. It’s not replacing anything. It’s curing an underlying illness. Anyway, good luck to you, and I hope you’ll continue posting

Hi LIS

I have now had time to titrate up to 150mg a day and like you I have had minimal (compared with some of what I have read) SE
I took Bac for about 10 days while drinking and for the last 11 days have not needed a drink - Dont get me wrong I have certainly thourght about it but have been able not to dwell on it as I had in the past and move onto something different - I have titrated slowly incrasing by 30mg every 5 days, which by your standards is quick but it has worked for me - I really get the "everybody is different" part

My plan is to maintain at 150mg a day for 4 weeks and provided I feel good I will slowly (10mg every 5 days) titrate downwards - That the plan anyway lol

What is your current situation with Bac may I ask?

Thanks for taking the time to reply - I much appreciate your input

I will reserve judgement on the replacing one drug for another until I titrate down

Regards



Bacman