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[brightlite]

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Also, ditto what Mr. Bill said about Zen!

Thanks for all your help and candor about your own struggle.

:wave::wave:

[Bill.P.]

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brightlite;699917 wrote: Hi Mr. Bill (lol)

Thanks for posting the info about the website. I'm looking forward to seeing it. Will there also be a forum on it?

Hang in there with the marriage. I'm sure there are past hurts and other issues that need to be worked through. You are right, just because AL is not in the picture that everything would be "magically delicious". (Oh I'm of Irish descent too) With time, you will have new experiences and memories together that are not clouded with the influence of AL.

I am defintely seinng a pattern with the Celitic Curse

No forum, I have used the software that runs this site for a cardiac health website and also a co-partner of a fitness forum a few years back. Both of which are defunct. Far too much time investment on that with member squabbles, alters, spammers etc...
That would definitely make baclofen un-fun!
MWO forum is established, I couldnt possibly have the time to recreate this plus the content we've already put here.

Blogs or Success Stories would be much easier to do as its controlled. Having done the chatboard thing and every night there was a new issue with members, well I barely have time to post here nowadars

Anyways, picking up my wife in a few hours so I got to go pick up all of the dishes off of the floor she threw down, I promised to have it done by the time she returns lol
Later gater

[Bill.P.]

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Some of the weird things that I have found to echo what zen was saying and. WELL, I have heard it all as far as side effects, I keep having to tell my wife that duloxetine wont give her testicular cancer.
So I am loathe to attribute side effects, especially common ones like headache or vivid dreams and such to baclofen when those more commonly occur with alcohol withdrawal.
And there is so much other noise out there thanks to Zenstyle and her baclofen side effects thread where a toothache is caused by baclofen (ha! Zen, thought I was being nice did you? you took too long to reply to my PM, feel my wrath!)

But some of the strange side effects that were not common to alcohol withdrawal for me is hearing!
In the first couple of weeks and THIS is the strangest thing. Every time I yawned I heard musical notes. Now understand, I am an empirical scientist, I was in disbelief. So as an empirical scientist does, I would try to recreate that and yawn again. Musical notes, I'm not talking Herbie Hancock here, for like a few notes from the spaceship from Close Encounters of the Third Kind. It went away rapidly or I failed to notice, wait, let me check. Hmmm, I wonder if baclofen prevents me from yawning as a side effect lol. I just realized I dont remember the last time I yawned.

Anyways, that was just academic masturbation. The very real side effect for me and was the subject of an office meeting over complaints from our receptionists is that while I am seeing patients I need to keep the door close b/c my voice fills the office. many times I leave it open and it recently in the past few months seemed rudely closed by T^^^^

So it was brought up as that it is so overpowering and distracting that it needed to be ciscussed in our quarterly office meeting. I have never heard such a complaint of myself. Sorry for going in to depth on this but I do believe this is a possible actual side effect I will disclose later. I sort of laughed it off as saying all of our patients (elderly heart patients) are deaf an I have just learned to talk real loud to them. That is why. Someone else suggested that I was going deaf and I stated I remember from physiology courses we tested our hearing and I did have some frequency deficits. But I didnt think that was the case

Well I continued basically yelling at patients and getting nasty looks from T**** our office manager. I mean this bizarre to me, I did shoot guns and listen to headphones but I couldnt be going deaf this suddenly. I havent listened to music but randomly for years, I am a reader and it distracts me. Havent fired a gun since I was 17 and wore birkenstocks and grew my hair long and thought that hurting bugs was bad karma (this after killing thousands of birds to practice for the Russian invasion "Red Dawn" anyone?). So I was perplexed by this. I chaulked it up to just getting used to talking loud to deaf elderly heart patients.

SO then my wife comes over. We are in the car, She thinks I am blasting her eardrums out with my voice. Literally, in the car, i actually realized how very loud I was talking. AND I realized how I would consciously change my voice to low whisper and find myself turning up the volume very rapidly and then, Id be yelling in simple conversation.

Quite bizarre. UNTIL, Andy R. From Scotland who met me on facebook for baclofen and he came this way to all of your comforting arms. His, what seemed like a big complaint, was how loud he talks?
Coincidence? I think not!

[Bill.P.]

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Zenstyle;699966 wrote: I was wondering when you'd say something about the Side Effects thread Bill. That took fooorrrreeeeeverrrr... :H

Might I suggest you nip on over there and post your side effect on it? LMAO!

I just might!


But the side effect is REAL!! I said it humorously b/c alot of people attribute hangnails to medications.
There was an article on Placebenol or a fake one on how scientists have been testing a pill that rivals most medications surreptiously for years. It relieves headaches, it causes headaches, it causes weight gain, it causes weight loss, etc... the side effects were hilarious.

Let me find it

Oh and I didnt comment on your side effects thread as, well, I didnt want to be the dickhead who publicly goes "hogwash" to every other poster. B/c every other poster than that might actually be having a true side effect despite scientific research lol.

Naw, I can tongue and cheek joke about it this thread, otherwise I alienate people. If some asshole told me that my loud talking was make-believe even though i know its not> And I am serious, its caused problems. Then I would say piss off fella, I know more about whats happening than you. (which, I do in any case).

Ok, let me find that article.

Health
Placebonol Offers Miracle Cure(s)
By Brian K. White
Feb 1, 2007, 06:00

More than just a candy coating, Placebonol goes down as easy as pie.
Pharmaceutical giant Naildge Amama this week was awarded FDA clearance to roll out its newest prescription wonder, Placebonol. This breakthrough drug boasts over a 30% cure rate across the board. The drug may be taken preventatively twice a day as a precaution against cancer, high cholesterol, high blood pressure, bowel irregularity, male pattern baldness and weeping genital sores, just to name a few. Further, the FDA acknowledged that absolutely no drug is more affective at treating all psychosomatic illnesses.

"The beauty is this, when you get sick you take something specially designed to cure it, and you have a 30-80% recovery rate. When you take Placebonol you don't even have to know what you are treating or how many ailments you are treating, you can simply know that it's working." Says Archie "Slick" Birmingham, marketing coordinator for the product.

Trial doctor reports, "We have been slyly using this as the test drug for all of our clinical trials for the last 35 years. The results speak for themselves." In many case studies where this test drug was administered it had comparable if not higher success rates than the drug in trial." The active ingredient, Inerticose, may sound very active, but don't worry, it's not."

Executives say the drug will retail for around $38 per day and has the lowest cost per cure rate of any drug on the market. Sources close to the situation tell that the executives have already begun living obscenely lavish lifestyles, including champagne enema's and the senseless defacing of antique art.

"This drug is going to take some faith on the part of the consumers. Without that, it's not going to go anywhere. Trust us that it is in fact doing at least something. This is the best medicine ever," added Slick, "I think I'm going to start taking it for my gout!" When asked if in fact laughter was actually the best medicine he replied "Don't know, but we're going to be doing that all the way to the bank, so I'll get back to you."

Side affects may include tooth decay and excitability in children. Not recommended for those suffering from diabetes.



Ok, so please, no one get pissed at me for saying there is alot of "NOISE" to the side effects thread.
Take my wife, PLEASE!

Nyuk Nyuk Nyuk. Old joke

Anyways, no matter what she feels it. But clinically they arent real, meaning if I gave my wife a sugar pill and I have. SHe has symptoms. Baclofen is safe, it can be annoying with tiredness. The other side effects are in the less than

[Anna B]

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Hi everyone,

Bill P.--it's great to see you posting. I also just want to echo everything you said about how fantastic Zen & Cindi have been and the many others I don't have room to mention here. You guys are such wonderful people. Your continual support and encouragement is saving lives. Truly. Thank you.

Just want to post a quick update on my own progress. In short, I'm doing fantastic. This is going to sound really weird (and I find it hard to believe myself), but I'm becoming a NORMAL person w/ regards to alcohol lol.

Let me give an example. Last night I was at a party with my work colleagues. In the past, here's how things would go for me: I would drink vodka in secret before going, pop a benzo to relax, purposely not eat anything hours before going so I could get drunk faster, sneak extra drinks the whole time at the party, potentially make an ass of myself, leave wasted, then wake up the next morning wondering if I did or said anything stupid that would ruin my reputation and of course have a lovely hangover the next day that was only cured w/ a valium and bloody mary. Lovely!

Last night, it didn't even OCCUR to me to drink vodka before going or take a benzo (in fact, like the true nerd I am, I was actually late to the party b/c I was at work finishing a manuscript...uh yeah...). Then at the party, someone handed me a fancy but pretty weak cucumber vodka drink (in the past I would have been annoyed at how weak it was but I was actually grateful last night). I sipped it for an hour or so while eating food and generally having a good time. Then my next drink was a glass of water. Someone came over and poured vodka in it thinking that everyone wanted their drinks stronger. Okay--get this. I was annoyed at this person. All I could think was that they ruined my water! lol!!
I also had the enlightening (and boring, btw) experience of watching everyone else get drunk and act stupid wondering whether I also used to look that stupid when I would get wasted in front of colleagues (uh, yes, I did). A conflict broke at the end of the night that normally would set me off into a crazy binge. Instead I went home and I didn't even want a drink. WTF?! I feel like I don't even know myself anymore or something--but in a good way.

Also, Bill--I just want to say that I know where you're coming from on the marriage front. My marriage has been on the rocks for the last few years solely b/c of my drinking. Now that I have it under control, I want my husband to praise me and see how great I'm doing. Instead, he's still suspicious that I'm going to keep things up (which is reasonable given how many times I've promised him I'd get better only for him to find empty vodka bottles in my closet) and now is also feeling the license to point out other things that are wrong with me. Okay, he may be right but, like you, Bill, I also thought everything would just be magically better or something once I got my drinking under control. Sigh...maybe we should start another thread just for those of us trying to mend our relationships after destroying them for so many years w/ our drinking.

--Anna

[Bill.P.]

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Zenstyle;699998 wrote: I'm sure it's all in your mind Bill, and that you're not talking loud at all... Get a grip on yourself!!!

Placebonol and Inerticose... LMAO! Great names!

Well, my side effects were "real". I even tested that is was the Bac that caused the numbness in my shin by coming down on my dosage way back when. As soon as I decreased it diminished, when I increased it came back. In any event, I just put up with it. The hair loss... that's a hard one to pin down as there were other factors involved there... And drinking heavily at the start of my titration, let me tell you... those side effects were REAL! :H

The talking loud thing... how's your hearing? (And don't say "BUTT?"...)

WHAT?

Well I reckon a guess that most of the side effects that people posterd have nothing to do with baclofen on that thread lol.
I mean it reads like a gossip column. Ok, well I dont want anyone calling me Joe Biden.

So I will refrain from tempering my opinion on your "groupthink" thread whcih by the way is a classic psychological example of saying "this medication might cause you muscle pain"
Next day "Hey doc, you were RIGHT! its caused me muscle pain"

Doc: "it was a sugar pill!"


My expert medical opinion on virtually all of the side effects people experience: "fuck it"
Hangovers are far worse and dying of liver failure where your body stops clotting factor and you look like you just contracted the ebola virus with deep intravenous coagulopathy is a bit harsher than a feeling a bit groggy.

You and I disagree on titration levels and side effects. For anyone reading this, we are good friens and PM about this. But I disagree and weve discussed this months ago.
I am in favor of fast titration. Zen is in favor of slow titration.

Neither is necessarily wrong, I am of the opinion that is needlessly slow. I have personally adjusted the dosages and monitored side effects with people and none have had anything but drowsiness when asked on an inventory,

THE CAVEAT to that is that they were all male.

So Zen, the yin to my yang has the slower method. Which seems to suit women better. I still think it is far far too slower and my titration numbers can be found in the baclofen thread. Her numbers are based on dozens if not hundreds of female feedback via pm

So until there is a scientific study there will be two idealogies on titration.
Bill.p.'s Titrate until you cant handle the drowsy side effect
and
Zenstyle's Titrate slowly, the long and slow method let the tortoise win.

Ok, So I may sound overly bubonic on this point but I do want to remind people that there are last time I was a psych researche asst as an undergrad that there were 7, count 'em SEVEN different schools of psychology. Let me try an remember them/l Gestalt, Cognitive, Behavioral, ok, I quit.

So as far as titrating, my school of thought is titrate fast and limit only for side-effects. My reasoning is that too many people get caught in the drinking phases of baclofen where they take both. I dont like that. I dont want people to drink and take baclofen period. Get up to speed asap! And if you feel tired "deal with it!"
Otherwise you are prolonging the issue.

I am sick and tired of reading side effect stuff where people are pussyfooting around with weak doses and complaining of side effects.
Side effect of alcohol is death, liver disease, divorce, the list is exhaustive

Side effect of baclofen: Tired, talking way too freaking loud, thats it!

[Bill.P.]

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Zenstyle;700041 wrote: Anna... that's fantastic news! It's amazing how it resets the way one thinks of alcohol...

I know what you mean about watching others getting drunk btw... and the exact same thought crosses my mind... "Oh Gawd, I looked and sounded like that"! lol...

Bill.P... Is being overly opinionated a side effect of Baclofen? I'm off to add it to the Side Effects thread... :H :H Just kiddin! :-)

I honestly think that females have a harder time with their systems adjusting to the Bac. Maybe it's hormonal, I don't know, but it certainly seems to be the case.

And the flip side to your fast titration is that if a person were to titrate too fast and suffer side effects that they considered to be too severe, it would put them off taking Baclofen. I agree that if there are no adverse side effects and people can stay awake long enough to do their work, a fast titration gets the job done. But, really, it affects everyone differently - with Bac one has to try it on for size and see how it goes.

PISS OFF, YOU ARE CAUSING LIVER FAILURE!!!


You are now my archnemesis, (check your pm sugah)

[brightlite]

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Absolutely Right Mr. Bill! speaking loudly for you. lol. The side effects from drinking are far worse!

I didn't think this was really an important side effect if any at all so I didn't post it, but I think I have a dimished sense of smell....I'm not complaining though.

I guess I'm on the Zen school of titrate up slowly and also I guess I have been pussyfooting around with still drinking. I'm hoping soon to be like Anna. I loved her last post. Before Bac...I too would have gone home from the party and drunk more. Way to go Anna! Once again another BAC success!

[Bill.P.]

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brightlite;700044 wrote: Absolutely Right Mr. Bill! speaking loudly for you. lol. The side effects from drinking are far worse!

I didn't think this was really an important side effect if any at all so I didn't post it, but I think I have a dimished sense of smell....I'm not complaining though.

I guess I'm on the Zen school of titrate up slowly and also I guess I have been pussyfooting around with still drinking. I'm hoping soon to be like Anna. I loved her last post. Before Bac...I too would have gone home from the party and drunk more. Way to go Anna! Once again another BAC success!

I am just having a hit of fun after I lauded Zen's praises earlier.

No, I actually dont know what the deal is with the senses. And although I keep framing it as a joke.
I actually do speak wayyyyyyyyyyyyy too loud only since baclofen.
the strange data on that and again I am loathe to use personal data in ANYTHING as it is often easily proven wrong.

But, the facts are, I am a keen observer (usually)
I am an empirical scientist
The above is to stroke my ego, disregard for this exercise
I am an em... just joking ha

Okk so my is from Australia, I see her for 3 weeks sevearl times for four years. She says I am screaming at her in the car. Never, nothing like that.

Fellow employees swoon at my Sinatra voice, happens all the time, Disregard this peice of the puzzle.

Ok, So my wife says I talk too loud. AHA! Let me bust out quantum physics to explain this: ONe sec

The question was raised: "If a man alone in the woods speaks, and his wife cannot hear him, is he still wrong?"

I have considered this question in light of the principles of Modern Physics and offer my thesis, dedicated to my wife, who anchors me in reality.

In the year 1900 Max Planck discovered that the energy of light is quantified. In 1905 Albert Einstein used Planck's Constant to write the theory of the Photoelectric Effect, that light behaves as a particle when it comes to energy transfer. Louis de Broglie proposed that particles can have a wave nature and this fact was later verified.

These discoveries led Neils Bohr to propose a radical theory of the atom, which was partially successful in explaining the emission spectra of the hydrogen atom. Neils Bohr was compelled to introduce the Principle of "Complementarity," that light is both a particle and a wave.

The modern theories were extended when Max Born showed that the distribution of energy was a function of probability. Further, Warner Heisenberg wrote the Principle of Uncertainty, which says that it is impossible to determine the exact location of an electron and the vector direction of its momentum at the same time.

This was followed with the master stroke penned by Erwin Schrodinger. Using the "Psi function" of Quantum Mechanics, Schrodinger could map the "wave field" of any particle, thus giving us a theoretical explanation for the structure of an atom and the entire periodic table of the elements.

The Quantum mechanics predicts that a wave of a single frequency would stretch out to infinite proportions, the superposition of a narrow range of frequencies produces a standing wave function which can be localized to a much more precise location. Thus the electron and its position within an atom becomes a cloud of probability.

From this I infer that there are such states as being right and being wrong, within certain parameters of uncertainty. Applying the Psi function, the more vague the statement of the man the greater the probability of him being correct. The narrower and more specific his utterance the greater the likelihood of his being wrong.

Also, the Principle of Complementarity assures us that if a man alone in the woods speaks, and his wife can not hear him, he is BOTH right and wrong until he comes out of the woods.

In the analogy of Schrodinger's Cat, the cat in the box is both dead and alive until someone opens the lid. The act of observing the phenomenon determines the outcome.

Thus, the inevitable conclusion is that it doesn't matter what the man says only his wife can determine whether or not he is correct.

[Dolly Sunshine]

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Zenstyle;700067 wrote: **Sigh**

(You're not an empirical scientist by any chance, are you?!)

HA!! I don't think we were sure I would like to thank you both. Bac has been a lifesaver for me.

[Bill.P.]

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Zenstyle;700067 wrote: **Sigh**

(You're not an empirical scientist by any chance, are you?!)

Cmon Zen, its funny

I am actually acting out of usually empirical scientific mode as I have to pick my wife up in a few minutes.

You have to admit, I have strayed from my usual boring monologue and filled it with jokes that are funny on "so many levels"

kidding btw

Ok, so I wont quit my day job



PS, FAST TITRATION RULES!

[Bill.P.]

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Dolly Sunshine;700069 wrote: HA!! I don't think we were sure I would like to thank you both. Bac has been a lifesaver for me.

Hi Dolly! Where's your story so we can read it? Congrats on it being a lifesaver! I have had overwheliming joy watching this forum and the success of people and I personally asked Dr. O. Ameisen to take a look at what has happened here.
He seemed thrilled and if you read the thread regarding my email with him he told us of more scientific of near 100% cure rate with balcofen if used appropriately.

As he said in his email, that he would go on or it would look like bragging.

SO, I get to brag about zen instead who took into the next level here for everyone else.

I want to encourage you to also keep a journal and a log and also let others know about your success. Dont be shy, if I missed your story I am sorry. But I came here when there was really no one here talking about baclofen a few months ago and told my story. And I dont mean to brag about that at all. My results were a direct result of Dr A and then I only post sporadically when I can.

There are way more ladies and gentleman that have helped, but they started like you. So please share if I didnt miss your story.

Let love and peace and baclofen spread to the highest mountains and the deep (how does that thing go)

[Lusus Naturae]

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Bill, I'm with you on the titration rate. I posted a bit about my own here.

I have to respectfully disagree about your take on side effects. Here are some I've experienced that I know are due to baclofen.

• Grinning for no apparent reason in public.
• Spending my days off without al, relaxing, and enjoying it.
• Having no desire whatsoever for al, and without effort.Doing constructive things when I'm not working.Talking softly, and at length with friends.There are others...

I know what you're thinking. These could be attributed to no longer drinking, but I'm sure if I stopped taking bac, all of this would vanish. There you have it, absolute 180 proof!

.

[Bill.P.]

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Zenstyle;700075 wrote: Thanks for the thanks Dolly. It was Bill that started the ball rolling... I would have been dabbling around with 30mg/daily if he hadn't arrived at MWO... :-)

What dose are you at and how's it been for you Dolly?

piss off, you started it!

I think the chronology is pretty simple and I think the extraordinary effort you put in as opposed to mine is pretty simple as well.

The chronology is as follows.

Evie.Lou Started the Big Bang, then the dinosaurs came, then baclofen came, she created a temple in her backyard, therefore, Zenstyle was an evil mastermin bent on world destruction. (in a nutshell according to pms)

Bill.p. came along with his overly wordy posts exclaiming his success with baclofen with a fast tiratrion and high dose. This was secondary and eons later after Evie created the baclofen universe and subsequently the baclofen blackhole that tried to suck everyone into. From my own account, I was shocked at my experience and overwhelmed with the way it took off.

Billyb. Shortly after the orignial Bill arrived, a man from the Star trek alternative universe showed up with a goatee. He was equally knowledgable, more scientific and of like mind. The similaritaires (except for the goatee were eerie). He spoke of a near identical experience of complete cessation of alcohol cravings above 100mg/ day based on both Bill's interpretation of Dr. Ameisen's discrovery. Both Bill's have now merged into one grand unifited bill, called your income tax.

So 2 bills can never be wrong, so, shit one hour til I have to pick my wife, I am escared.
Ok, I must go on for the love of Mel Brooks

So in the same thread that bill.p posted. cinders, marbella and zenstyle PMd me about the dosage and such. I encouraged them to keep a journal and THANKGOD, they did!
My thread died several times but they put a human face on it. They described as they went along. Marbella had to quit the thread for issues unrelated to baclofen and she is a sweetheart.
The scariest one that gave me worries was Cinders, she had gotten my hope up very high then I read just stumbling on that she was as bad as I was as far as relapsing. But she's the one that makes me smile and I dont talk to her but it sure does make me smile at her success
That leaves my Arch-nemesis: Zenstyle! I joke with her and she is my friend and she was the whiny one. "Oh its not going to work, I am tolerant to meds" etc...lol
Plus, she's kinda scary b/c she wasnt a serial relapser like cinders who was slowly desorying her life and those around her I gather.
Zen was drinking as I recall 1.75Litres a day of vodka, correct me if I am wrong zen, at the beginning part of this year.

That's not being an alcoholic, that's a death wish and Zen was on it, if you drink like that, you will die in a very quick manner. I never really asked why to Zen given our numerous PMs and disagreements about titrations. But I was very proud when her thread made on google results as number 2 for "baclofen titration"
That touched off some hideous rumors and PMs I came in on the last night of and set the record straight.
What Zen has done and really I think equal credit should be given to Cinders and Marbella as they started the threads. Is that they brough a human face to this baclofen miracle.
Has anyone TRIED to read my original posts on the baclofen thread by Rebel? I write like a textbook reads with your own voice. Wich means, no one reads it.

So I am going to pin the success on the ladies. Sure the Bill's who were nerds showed upf fist with their success and got them to try it. But who listened to us? No one except for a few ladies who PMd me at least and then, well, sometimes I have tears in my eyes when I read your success stories. I really do! llike now
It is amazing

I dont mean to mistquote dr Ameisen in his email to me about this site, but he said along the lines "isnt it amazing to watch those were incurable be cured?"

I told him later by email that I think he will win the Nobel Prize thats how much I believe in this. And I felt like I had just talked to Jonas Salk, Debakey (cardiac) and most importantly, and I think this is the most important and most telling compliment I can pay to a fellow scientist in this, I think his discovery is as important as penicillin by Alexander Fleming.
I think this is revolutionary! I think this will cure millions and not in a Brave New World Huxley way! This relieve millions from an affliction that is very often fatal and results according to the NIH a suicide rate of 5000 times that rate of the average person.

People are dying from this! What can you do?

[Bill.P.]

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Lusus Naturae;700090 wrote: Bill, I'm with you on the titration rate. I posted a bit about my own here.

I have to respectfully disagree about your take on side effects. Here are some I've experienced that I know are due to baclofen.

• Grinning for no apparent reason in public.
• Spending my days off without al, relaxing, and enjoying it.
• Having no desire whatsoever for al, and without effort.Doing constructive things when I'm not working.Talking softly, and at length with friends.There are others...

I know what you're thinking. These could be attributed to no longer drinking, but I'm sure if I stopped taking bac, all of this would vanish. There you have it, absolute 180 proof!

.

Lusus, I was thinking of you when I posted about quantum reasons when a man alone walks into a forest.

Baclofen caused that b/c if it werent for baclofen, we wouldnt have signed that blood oath in hyperspace to take over the known universe in 9 dimensions

I am thinking we meet in Cali, divdie the world up. Muhahahah