Consolidated Baclofen Progress Thread

[cowgal]

Consolidated Baclofen Progress Thread

Dr Phil!

Cannot wait to see it Trix said it is good, cannot watch movies from this iPhone, would love to upgrade but need to wait til I get on my feet (hopfully that can happen?!) your sit is great, wish more people like trix, loop, NC and I would join & check it out, but oh well, and DO NOT take this shit personally, u can't or u will go nuts!!!! Let it just roll off like water off a duck's back!!! The site AND book.will take off some day, I feel it!!! Once the word of how great bac is gets out into the mainstream, remember what Dr A said in his book?? It will take off!!!

2010 is going to rock for many of us!!!!!

XO:l:h

MA

[tiptronic_ct]

Consolidated Baclofen Progress Thread

Dr Phill;782336 wrote: What is it about you people that you don't want to get cured?

Harsh start, but I bet I got your attention.

I have had a ton of e-mails this XMas that make it obvious that lots of you like the commadery of being a drunk with lots of anonymous people to be a drunk with.

Few of you ever stick your head up and say, "Shit, can you help me with Baclofen?"

One of my latest writers (a doctor) even said that she hated the fact the your "MWO alcoholism badge" (her words not mine) seemed to depend on how much you drank. She hated that so much. I jest not.

I give you MWO lot six months, my friends. I will post here for that long. I give you six months for all the unseen visitors and MWO members to come to the surface. I give you six months to see how far this sad pathetic inadequate nonsense of a man can go when he tried to do his best.

Six months.

Help me do this.Or it ends. Simple as that.
Pip xxxxxxxxxx

Who needs emoticons now, Mrs Beatle? Is there one for that??? And you know who I am!!!

Feeling a tad self-righteous, are we?

[startingover]

Consolidated Baclofen Progress Thread

Amaryllis;782320 wrote: have you seen dr phill's latest video?

he looks awful, but listen to him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3NWtQT7klU[/video]]YouTube - I'm Not Killing Myself In Public!!! Baclofen - Curing Our Alcoholism - www.baclofen4alcoholism.com

Wow!
Dr Phil, I dont get it, why are you so desperate to get followers? There will never be one method of recovery that fits all. Baclofen isnt going to suit every person with an alchohol dependence.
I wish you well and its great that you want to share some information but you seem to be saying your way is the only way and that if people dont follow your method that they dont want to be cured. What is worse, you seem to be resorting to emotional blackmail to make people think like you.
Please stop making assumptions about people you really know nothing about.

[Dr Phill]

Consolidated Baclofen Progress Thread

Lest there be any doubt! Ha!!

I’m not feeling self-righteous. Why are you always looking for the worst in me Tip? I’m sure that you’re a lovely chap. Deep down.

I am not remotely looking for ‘followers’. If you ever knew me personally, you would laugh at such an idea. So 'Starting Over', why after 22,000 posts have I never heard of you? I've never seen you here. Why now, do you appear again on this site? And we're both in the UK. Please come onto my web site and tell me how awful I am. I'd love it. Unlike Dr A, you WILL get an answer. I dare you.

Over Xmas, I got lots, and I mean lots, of personal e-mails, through the site, that asked lots of questions about themselves, their problems and their Baclofen. I did my best, and everybody got a reply. So many questions made me think, “I’m not sure, but I know a whole group of people who might”.
Many of those who e-mailed me visit MWO. Many find it impossible to navigate and find what they’re looking for. That is if it is even there. Their worry might be wholly alleviated by something one of you posted 8 months ago. They can’t trawl through thousands of postings to get their answer. I only ever visit the excellent “Consolidated Baclofen Progress Thread”, but there is nothing remotely ‘consolidating’ about it.
The only purpose of my site is to ‘consolidate’. To make all that everybody has experienced available in a sentence and easily found. Sift the bits of wheat from the tons and tons of chaf.

As for Baclofen itself, as I have written on my site (but you won’t have read it), I see my own alcoholism as follows.
Unfairly, I was convicted of a crime, not of my own making, nor comprehension. I was born with an anxiety / inadequate / self-conscious / fear of not being the best personality. And I’m doubly qualified in surgery and law! In my absence, I was given a life sentence. Being me, and a bit thick, it took me 40 years or more to even realise that I had been put away. A very clever person smuggled me in a copy of Dr Ameisen’s book. It was then that I realised that I was in solitary cell in a huge prison with millions of other inmates.
That was my “switch”.
How was I to get out? It’s obvious. You need the key to the door. My key seems (and I stress seems) to be Baclofen. I’m on some kind of parole. Let out on licence. And sometimes the key seems to change size. But, for now, mercifully it always fits.
What were you imprisoned for, my friends?
Is Baclofen your key?
Maybe not. If not, I am so sorry for you.
I am not an evangelist for Baclofen. Quite the opposite, in fact. In a former life, I held a very prestigious research fellowship in medical physiology. I find it inconceivable that Baclofen can be everybody’s key out of their cell. There will have to be several keys. Unless, or until, a very clever pharmacologist manufactures a “one size fits all” key. Don’t hold your breath.
Those that want information know where I am, if they're lucky. Those that want to chat and tons of really great support know where you are. They all need us both. I tell them that about you all the time. Why don't you pay me the same courtesy? I don't get it.

Thanks for your time.

I look like a corpse, but look at this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3NWtQT7klU[/video]]YouTube - I'm Not Killing Myself In Public!!! Baclofen - Curing Our Alcoholism - www.baclofen4alcoholism.com

[brightlite]

Consolidated Baclofen Progress Thread

Dr. Phil,

I'm sure many of us appreciate your collection of data on your website. And, we appreciate your enthusiam. However there have been many of us that have tried different approaches including Baclofen and for some reason or another it wasn't the approach that worked for them. Many have known and researched and read Dr. A's book long before you came to MWO. Also, I have emailed Dr. A and he has responded to me in the past.

Lastly, if you want people to take you and your website seriously, I would not put up a video on YouTube...naked or at least without a shirt....what is up with that????

[brightlite]

Consolidated Baclofen Progress Thread

startingover;782570 wrote: Wow!
Dr Phil, I dont get it, why are you so desperate to get followers? There will never be one method of recovery that fits all. Baclofen isnt going to suit every person with an alchohol dependence.
I wish you well and its great that you want to share some information but you seem to be saying your way is the only way and that if people dont follow your method that they dont want to be cured. What is worse, you seem to be resorting to emotional blackmail to make people think like you.
Please stop making assumptions about people you really know nothing about.

Thanks Starty for your comments and although we know you are not a Baclofen user, you are certainly a long time upstanding senior member on this site with good insights.

MWO has been around awhile and I doubt it will be gone in 6 months. There are many paths to freedom, Dr. Phil, Baclofen is just another tool.

[Dr Phill]

Consolidated Baclofen Progress Thread

I shall consider myself told off, Brightlite.

I won't be gone in six months, unless Baclofen is. I'm glad that Dr Ameisen replied to you. You're now one of two that I know of. I have a list of at least a hundred who haven't had a reply; me included as recently as two weeks ago. But, no matter. He is still my God. You all make of him what you will. I even promote his books, with Amazon links, so you can buy them. No, Tip, I don't get any kick back from that.
In future, on the Video Log, I shall put on a tee shirt. I'm terribly sorry, but I didn't know it showed so much as to offend. I just do the Vlog as and when I feel up to it. You obviously haven't watched the others or visited the site for a while, Brightlite. I'd had a really terrible few weeks, contemplated suicide (all in the on-line Diaries). I'd just had a bath and thought "what the hell, I'll do it now". (I mean the Vlog, not the 'other').
I should be more considerate. Forgive me for my nakedness, and the room. Poorly decorated. Even the decorators' ladder is visible. Gosh, it will look so different in the New Year. I thought a mix of pastels and light green and .....................

BTW, after listening to what I said, why was it the fact that you could see my shoulders that stuck in your mind? I just don't get that. Were'nt my words enough? It's my words that make my web site serious. Not my shoulders. I don't kid myself that I'm Sting with an AF drink in one hand and a rain-forest's worth of alcohol-free people in the other. Although, I might carry a Message From A Bottle. Please try and smile. It helps.

BTW, Brightlite, where do I go to see your video log? I've looked for it, but I can't find it.

As for Baclofen, I thought that I had made it clear to anybody who was open to what I am saying that I DO NOT think Baclofen is THE answer. It is just another tool.

How many ways do I have to say it?

Oh, and BTW again, that collection of data you appreciate so much comes from people just like us sending it to me. Have you sent me anything?

I don't recall receiving it.

Have a happy 2010. And I DO mean that!
baclofen4alcoholism.com

[cowgal]

Consolidated Baclofen Progress Thread

Peace!!

My word, everyone, Have a Happy New Year, let's just share our strength, knowledge and experiences, and failures and be here for eachother, no more bickering, you hear!!!!?????

And HAPPY NEW YEAR ALL!!!!! :happy: :wd: :banana: :yougo: inkele: :cheering:

2010 is going to be awesome!!!!

lots of love, to you all!!!!!!

MA

[NC]

Consolidated Baclofen Progress Thread

I am with you MA. We may have different ways of presenting valuable information, but let's hang in there. We don't want to lose any contributors.

Happy New Year to everyone.

NC

[Trixiebelle]

Consolidated Baclofen Progress Thread

Yep count me in MA and NC, lets just all take a deep breath and look forward to how wonderful 2010 is going to be for us all.

[cowgal]

Consolidated Baclofen Progress Thread

yep

I am sure Dr.Phill means well, good sense of humor in fact, so lets all just support each other, it is 2010, I am up and wired, cannot believe it, only 5 or so hours of sleep in 3 days!!??

love you guys!! :l:hLet's do this!!

MA

[Trixiebelle]

Consolidated Baclofen Progress Thread

cowgal;783154 wrote: only 5 or so hours of sleep in 3 days!!??MA

Are you serious, how do you do that???

[cowgal]

Consolidated Baclofen Progress Thread

Baclofen???

Since I have been on bac I really have needed less sleep, and wake up feeling well rested after a short amount of sleep.............strange, huh???

MA:h:l

[Nickydo]

Consolidated Baclofen Progress Thread

A word of warning

I came into this forum from googling baclofen, and Dr Phill's website came up. From there i joined this forum to discuss something very personal to me.

From there i personally emailed Dr Phill about my very personal problems and received a reply very quickly (As he states on his youtube video)

As i have paid the occassional visit back to this thread, i have noticed that Dr Phill has become angry of the fact that nobody is contributing to his website. This led me to take a few steps back and wonder why he was so keen to have people involved in something they have heard about from a credible doctor who has written a book about it, to someone who wanted people to in a word "Follow him".

I don't want to sound dramatic or out of place but this man has knowingly or unknowingly hijacked this site for purposes unknown.

I came on here to learn and share about how Baclofen can help me with my drinking problem and this forum has helped me greatly in that regard, but for some reason, and this is to you Dr Phill, you seem to want to involve people who are genuinely hurting into your agenda and i think that is plain wrong in my opinion.

I came on here tonight to wish everyone a happy new year but after reading your last three posts and your youtube link Dr Phill,i am more than concerned to be honest.

It's a VERY fragile thing you are doing involving people into your life like that. I am concerned that you have my email address now, we don't know who you actually are, are you what you say you are? you are using this thread topic to your own means whatever they may be. I saw your youtube link and it spells it out for me what you want, the way you said MWO in a derogitary way is offensive, don't bring it here to people that are genuinely looking for help on a subject that is close to their hearts. Is there an administrator of this forum? can they not see what i'm seeing? You can't tread on eggshells and just say "Oh can't we just get on", this is too important to us for that.

[tiptronic_ct]

Consolidated Baclofen Progress Thread

Nickydo;783632 wrote: I came into this forum from googling baclofen, and Dr Phill's website came up. From there i joined this forum to discuss something very personal to me.

From there i personally emailed Dr Phill about my very personal problems and received a reply very quickly (As he states on his youtube video)

As i have paid the occassional visit back to this thread, i have noticed that Dr Phill has become angry of the fact that nobody is contributing to his website. This led me to take a few steps back and wonder why he was so keen to have people involved in something they have heard about from a credible doctor who has written a book about it, to someone who wanted people to in a word "Follow him".

I don't want to sound dramatic or out of place but this man has knowingly or unknowingly hijacked this site for purposes unknown.

I came on here to learn and share about how Baclofen can help me with my drinking problem and this forum has helped me greatly in that regard, but for some reason, and this is to you Dr Phill, you seem to want to involve people who are genuinely hurting into your agenda and i think that is plain wrong in my opinion.

I came on here tonight to wish everyone a happy new year but after reading your last three posts and your youtube link Dr Phill,i am more than concerned to be honest.

It's a VERY fragile thing you are doing involving people into your life like that. I am concerned that you have my email address now, we don't know who you actually are, you have been in prison for what? are you what you say you are? you are using this thread topic to your own means whatever they may be. I saw your youtube link and it spells it out for me what you want, the way you said MWO in a derogitary way is offensive, don't bring it here to people that are genuinely looking for help on a subject that is close to their hearts. Is there an administrator of this forum? can they not see what i'm seeing? You can't tread on eggshells and just say "Oh can't we just get on", this is too important to us for that.

Nickydo,

Your comments have forced me to post what follows below before I was ready to do so.

I have been concerned from the beginning (before Phill even starting posting on MWO), and caught a hell of a lot flak for it from others. I received abusive PMs and the like.

So here goes and if I am proven wrong, I'll eat humble pie. If I get banned from MWO, so be it. But I think not.

I do not trust this guy. Two individuals who do not even participate in the meds threads have contacted me about him as well.

This is what I believe he suffers from:

Narcissistic personality disorder - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Consider his own entry on Wikipedia, which breaks all the rules of that body of knowledge (and we already know its not an authoritative resource on most things). Before just reading the glowing resume, look at the 4 warnings:

- quality
- subjectiveness
- lack of proper citations
- it is an "orphan" entry (i.e. no other Wikipedia pages link to or from it)

Here is the link: Phillip Thomas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

He calls himself "Dr. Baclofen". WTF??? Refer possible diagnosis above. Who appointed him the voice of baclofen? Also see his posts about contacting Dr. A. via email. To paraphrase: "I told Dr. A EXACTLY who I am...." Which begs the question: who, exactly, is he? As far as I am aware, he only tried the website (which is linked to Dr. A's publishers), and NOT the email address at the top of Dr. A's self case-report, which would probably have yielded better results.

Is he really so important to the cause of baclofen that his 6-month ultimatum for people to follow him will make a difference to something that has already developed a life of its own? Let anyone who reads this be the judge, but at the risk of overstating the obvious: I think not.

I can cite numerous other examples, and if challenged to do so, I will.

OK, now I've said my piece, I actually feel much better.