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    Hi all,

    I've been on bac for awhile now and doing very well on it. This drug is truly a miracle. My goal is to mod (no more than 1-2 glasses of wine per night no more than a few days per week). I'm at 100-125 mg/day.

    I read awhile ago that some of the longer-term bac folks have noticed that, while everything is great (or SO much better) w/ the drinking, "life" gets in the way. So, stress from work, finances, spouses, girlfriends/boyfriends, kids, etc. is still there and our old coping strategy--i.e., drinking--is not an option anymore. And of course drinking is still just a habit for many of us even if the physical cravings aren't there.

    One small example: I had to teach a 3-hour class today to a group of execs 20 years my senior. I'm an anxious person to start but the class topic was outside of my area of expertise, so I was STRESSED. I even had to take a benzo before getting up in front of these people. After it was over, I "wanted" a drink--but honestly I think both out of habit and a way to reward myself--it wasn't a physical craving really, just more of an obsession-- and not for the reasons I'm mod-ding now (i.e., b/c I genuinely like a good glass of wine w/ dinner w/ my husband, I like to fit in with the people I'm still friends with, my work culture is hard drinking and I don't want to be the only teetotaler, etc etc).

    Maybe I should be posting on a different board, but I'd love to hear from the bac folks about what strategies you've used to make the choice not to drink when stressed, or not to drink out of habit, or not to drink to reward yourself for going through a hard time.

    (Dr. A mentioned using cognitive behavioral techniques to aid in his bac progress. I know a lot of those strategies in theory (I learned them in my psych grad program) but don't really know how to use them in practice.)

    Love,
    Anna

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    on baclofen, what strategies for coping w/ stress

    I can only speak for myself but after hitting my switch I just figure out how to deal with whatever the stress is. Drinking never occurs to me as an option simply because there's no attraction to it anymore.

    I would do something you love... go outside, play, paint badly, go play violent air hockey with small children you know can beat.

    After your switch alcohol will probably just be missing from the "what should I do" choice wheel.

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      #3
      on baclofen, what strategies for coping w/ stress

      I have this problem -- I want to drink when I get stressed or upset, to calm me down. (Although I need a lot less calming down than I did before the Bac.) If I really can't drink for some reason, like I will be driving after, then I try to substitute my AL oral fixation with another "reward" -- like a muffin and a cup of good coffee. Granted, the coffee makes me wired later on, but it does calm me down at first.

      But I often do take a drink or two now to relieve stress... I'm not sure how much it helps anymore, though, which makes it less of an obsession than a habit. Also, I can stop drinking after a couple drinks -- something I could never do before.

      Another thing, I've discovered how good wine tastes again. Tastes, not feels. I can sip a good glass of wine (just one) together with a gourmet dinner and appreciate the complex intermingling tastes, small sip by small sip. And I can limit myself to just one. This is amazing.
      Your time is limited, so don't waste it living someone else's life... And most important, have the courage to follow your heart and intuition. They somehow already know what you truly want to become. Everything else is secondary.

      Steve Jobs, Stanford Commencement Adress, 2005

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        #4
        on baclofen, what strategies for coping w/ stress

        One idea . . .

        Hey, Anna - really good direction for investigation.

        Kind of sad that we have to LEARN to relax, isn't it? And that education isn't something we come across without some effort in our culture. Fortunately, it is a learnable skill.

        When I was 30 (now 53) I started fairly serious and disciplined study and practice of meditation and yoga. What I know now is that that knowledge and those skills literally kept me sober - to the extent that I never drank and had no idea that I was an alcoholic - for ten years. Then my husband and I divorced, I stopped meditating every day and started drinking. It took a few years, but my drinking got so bad I had to quit teaching yoga and meditation - they just really don't work together AT ALL!

        Now that I am sober I am able to utilize what I know so well and deeply and it's a whole different life/path. Given my experience, I can only recommend finding a good teacher/s to teach you both how to meditate and some simple yoga practices. It's really
        hard to do it on your own.

        And I know some people get a lot of benefit from listening to meditative tapes, and that might be useful for you as well.

        However, IMO there's nothing that compares to having really good instruction from a well-qualified teacher. The thought and movement processes that these traditions carry are definitely not natural - to anyone, and especially not to addicts! If they were, everyone would be just hunky-dory all the time, no?

        I know it often seems "too much" to take the time to go to a class (or classes), and it can even be a little intimidating if the class or the teacher is not the right one for you. But if you score the right situation, it will be oh so helpful!

        So that's my suggestion. I truly feel that if I hadn't gone off-line with my own use of these skills I might never have had to deal with alcoholism. They addressed the anxiety underlying my addiction so effectively for so many years that I never even thought about alcohol.

        Best to you on your adventure to figure out what works for you! And congrats on your success with the bac. I've had it too; it's awesome!
        "Wherever you are is the entry point." --Kabir

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          on baclofen, what strategies for coping w/ stress

          Anna -- You mentioned that CBT seems to be the MH treatment of choice for recovering (or -- dare I say it -- recovered) alcoholics. I've read that self-administered CBT programs can be at least as effective as therapist-directed CBT programs. I found moodgym, a free online program, to be useful. It's geared toward the adolescent in its delivery, which is slightly annoying. And for anyone who is at all psychology literate, it can feel a bit patronizing. But it doesn't take a lot of time and if you can get past the annoying format, it's actually quite good. Here's a link: MoodGYM: Welcome

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            #6
            on baclofen, what strategies for coping w/ stress

            Thanks for the MoodGYM link, Lena. It's another great tool!
            "Wherever you are is the entry point." --Kabir

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              #7
              on baclofen, what strategies for coping w/ stress

              thanks to all of you for these wonderful tips! I appreciate it a lot.

              RedThread--the stuff you said about meditation sounds great. I always keep meaning to try it (via taking classes--I'm just not patient enough to do it on my own) and I even signed up for the same class twice but I was just too much of a stressed out alcoholic to keep with it. Now i think I'll try again.

              Lena--that's a great link! I never heard of MoodGYM before but will definitely check it out.

              Love,
              Anna

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                #8
                Originally posted by Anna B View Post
                Hi all,

                I've been on bac for awhile now and doing very well on it. This drug is truly a miracle. My goal is to mod (no more than 1-2 glasses of wine per night no more than a few days per week). I'm at 100-125 mg/day.

                I read awhile ago that some of the longer-term bac folks have noticed that, while everything is great (or SO much better) w/ the drinking, "life" gets in the way. So, stress from work, finances, spouses, girlfriends/boyfriends, kids, etc. is still there and our old coping strategy--i.e., drinking--is not an option anymore. And of course drinking is still just a habit for many of us even if the physical cravings aren't there.

                One small example: I had to teach a 3-hour class today to a group of execs 20 years my senior. I'm an anxious person to start but the class topic was outside of my area of expertise, so I was STRESSED. I even had to take a benzo before getting up in front of these people. After it was over, I "wanted" a drink--but honestly I think both out of habit and a way to reward myself--it wasn't a physical craving really, just more of an obsession-- and not for the reasons I'm mod-ding now (i.e., b/c I genuinely like a good glass of wine w/ dinner w/ my husband, I like to fit in with the people I'm still friends with, my work culture is hard drinking and I don't want to be the only teetotaler, etc etc).

                Maybe I should be posting on a different board, but I'd love to hear from the bac folks about what strategies you've used to make the choice not to drink when stressed, or not to drink out of habit, or not to drink to reward yourself for going through a hard time.

                (Dr. A mentioned using cognitive behavioral techniques to aid in his bac progress. I know a lot of those strategies in theory (I learned them in my psych grad program) but don't really know how to use them in practice.)

                Love,
                Anna
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                  #9
                  I'm sorry if this is the wrong place to ask, but does anyone know where to find info on doctors who prescribe high-dose Bac in a given city or state, for instance Los Angeles? Thank you!

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                    #10
                    Hi vardisfisher, If you have questions about Baclofen, you'll probably get accurate answers on the new medication forum The End Of My Addiction | Forum Discussing Alcohol Medication Good luck and I hope you find the answers to your questions
                    Quitting and staying quit isn't easy, its learning a whole new way of thinking. It's accepting a new way of life, and not just accepting it, embracing it...
                    Worry about tomorrow, tomorrow. Just get through today. Tomorrow will look after itself when it becomes today, because today is all we have to think about.
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                      #11
                      Hi vardisfisher and welcome. I was going to suggest the same info that Cowboy gave you. I think they will have great info for you there. :welcome:
                      "Only I can change my life. No one can do it for me.".....Carol Burnett
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