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    #16
    Is baclofen's short duration of action a serious problem?

    I read that as a good natured "shit". unless there's a history of him being mean to you. I call some of my best friends shits. it's can be a term of endearment.

    I didn't catch any malice from it. but I could be wrong.

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      #17
      Is baclofen's short duration of action a serious problem?

      My experience of Bill.P is that he cares a great deal...
      I'll do whatever it takes
      AF 21/08/2009

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        #18
        Is baclofen's short duration of action a serious problem?

        Like panda, I read this as a chummy thing-- like you would say to a good friend.

        I assumed you guys must have had a good rapport, and I thought it was sweet, actually (like something you would say to someone you care about).

        But I can also see how you might react that way Greg. I hope you will reconsider being angry at Bill P., though, because I'm quite sure he didn't mean it to be taken literally.
        Your time is limited, so don't waste it living someone else's life... And most important, have the courage to follow your heart and intuition. They somehow already know what you truly want to become. Everything else is secondary.

        Steve Jobs, Stanford Commencement Adress, 2005

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          #19
          Is baclofen's short duration of action a serious problem?

          Yes Bill has always been helpful and has gone out of his way to share information with others, myself included. And reading over his reply again now that I'm SOBER shows me that he was only trying to motivate me to get off my rear end and take action.

          Bill, I'd like to apologise for taking what you said the wrong way. I was drinking when I posted my reply, and also had some other issues on my mind. I have often joked to a mate (who also drinks heavily) that we should install breathalysers on our computers, so we aren't able to send messages to anyone after we have been drinking. Thanks for keeping in touch with me all this time despite my lack of progress so far. I should be in the detox clinic by next week and finally onto baclofen by the following week.

          Keep up your good work in helping others with this horrible problem.

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            #20
            Is baclofen's short duration of action a serious problem?

            kinda makes you wish all forms of online communications had googles "mail goggles" where you set up gmail to require the correct answer to three math problems before it'll allow you to send out an email between the hours of 7pm to 5am.

            they figure if you if you answer the questions correctly you might be clearheaded enough to actually send it.

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              #21
              Is baclofen's short duration of action a serious problem?

              Bill P., I tried to PM an apology to you but I received an automatic message saying that you have no more space to accept messages, so I will post it here instead. This is what I wanted to tell you:

              Hey Bill,

              I'm sorry for the way I reacted to your post. I posted an apology but also wish to say sorry in person. I know you are just trying to get me off my ass and into action. Although I was drinking when I posted, I can't use alcohol as an excuse whenever I say or do something offensive to someone. I'm not usually the type of drunk who gets into arguments or fights in real life, and in fact I'm a quiet-natured person by nature. I do feel frustrated by not having a loving partner to be with me during my recovery attempt, but I know that others must have become sober and stayed that way without a spouse. The loneliness of not having a partner is what I was referring to when I posted that I had other things on my mind. I'm a shy person and that shyness has caused me to be alone most of my life, usually too scared to approach the opposite sex and form relationships. However, alcohol is not a solution to this, and I do want to quit while I still have time to start a new life.

              Anyway, that's enough of my rambling. I could have just said "sorry" but I wanted to make it a bit more personal.

              I hope you have been doing well.
              Greg

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                #22
                Is baclofen's short duration of action a serious problem?

                Greg,

                All credit to you for posting this.

                Now get your ass in gear, you shit
                I'll do whatever it takes
                AF 21/08/2009

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                  #23
                  Is baclofen's short duration of action a serious problem?

                  I wanted to get my ass in gear...but I'm too damned sleepy...

                  Gotta love baclofen!

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                    #24
                    Is baclofen's short duration of action a serious problem?

                    Hello, I'm new to this site and I'm so grateful to hear this information, I've been struggling for years, lost everything, etc etc. I just wanted to say that I appreciate you. Everything I read, I'm like, that's me! So many more people could be helped without the cold turkey approach. So glad someone understands.

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                      #25
                      Is baclofen's short duration of action a serious problem?

                      Well ooops,
                      Yeah Greg, "No worries" as I picked up from my wife and little brother in law from Australia. Im Irish so we are a bit more brash with those we feel comfortable with. We wouldnt address an aquaintance with that or judge. But with some you are comfortable with you can drop in a casual word.
                      No offense intended, if anything it was a term of friendship and a break from being stoic with someone you talk to.
                      And I have pm box filled until the very near future as i cannot be online much and I feel like a shit not answering pms, but I have to prioritize and then I can PM again.
                      So again, lol, no worries greg. Just turn off that craving in your head and we will have a tea in the buddisht temple in Wollongong next to you

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                        #26
                        Is baclofen's short duration of action a serious problem?

                        No worries Bill, I'm glad to hear from you again. In Australia we use heaps of "colourful language" as a way of expressing friendship. I can't believe that I didn't get your real meaning, because I normally have a good sense of humour and I joke around with my friends using a fair bit of kind-natured swearing. I guess I was just in a shitty mood when I read your post. I look forward to that cup of tea once I get this poor old alcohol-soaked brain dried out and free of cravings.
                        I hope everything has been going well in your life. While on the subject of the Wollongong buddhist temple, there is also a Buddhist forest retreat between Goulburn and Moss Vale that I once visited. I have often had an interest in the religion.

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                          #27
                          Is baclofen's short duration of action a serious problem?

                          Just glad you have the language mishap straightened out, I for one attest to the character of Greg, I have always found him to be polite and caring.
                          And Bill has seemingly been very helpful too.
                          :goodjob::flower:

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                            #28
                            Is baclofen's short duration of action a serious problem?

                            Greg;753570 wrote: I have found a doctor willing to prescribe me baclofen at a high dose (up to 100-200 mg per day), but I am very worried after reading some of the side-effects mentioned by people here and also benzodiazepine-type withdrawal symptoms I've read elsewhere. ANYTHING is better than continuing to drink, so I am going ahead with the baclofen, but not until I am detoxed from alcohol (AGAIN!) so I am not mixing baclofen with alcohol.
                            It is possible to increase or decrease Baclofen in tiny steps to adjust dose. If you say reduce your usage every day by 5mg you would end up having no withdrawal symptoms.
                            The only reference I could find to withdrawal symptoms says it is only up to 96 hours. Anyone ever having been addicted to benzo would happy change to Baclofen I guess!! Abuse potential of benzo is extreme!

                            Greg;753570 wrote:

                            Anyway, what worries me the most is baclofen's very short half-life, which I have read as being somewhere between 2 and 5 hours when it is taken orally. I read another article stating it has an average half-life of 3-4 hours. This means it is a VERY short-acting drug, which I think could be a real problem for any medication that is a GABA agonist/general CNS depressant.
                            Yes it does work very few time, that is why I have changed my dose to 5 times a day (each time 50mg). I find to have the best coverage during the full day that way.
                            since 23. Apr 2009 : TSM - failed to reduce units
                            since 08. Jan 2010 : Naltrexone + Baclofen combination therapy
                            reborn since 16. Jan 2010 : Alcohol Free (AF) - only taking Baclofen
                            since 22. May 2010 : Baclofen against anxiety/fear
                            since 14. Mar 2011 : off Baclofen - taking 25mg Topamax/day

                            My stats :
                            http://www.baclofen-forum.com/stats/craving/

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                              #29
                              Is baclofen's short duration of action a serious problem?

                              I forgot that I even started this thread!

                              Yes small changes like that wouldn't cause baclofen withdrawal symptoms, I should have realised that fact to begin with.

                              I have had experience with benzos too but luckily I didn't get hooked. I know that benzo withdrawal can take months with some people, which sounds extreme and definitely not something I'd enjoy. I've heard of some cases of Xanax withdrawal taking 3-6 months! Maybe baclofen can be substituted for benzos in some cases, if a doctor could supervise it (unlikely I know).

                              Short action doesn't seem a problem for me now that I'm actually taking baclofen 2-4 times a day. All I can say is that I can't tolerate baclofen if I take it close to bedtime, but some people who find it helpful for sleep or who get tired on it could probably benefit from a bedtime dose.

                              Edit : Who was I trying to kid?? I do have a dependency on Xanax/alprazolam...I just felt too embarrassed to admit it when I wrote this post!

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                                #30
                                Is baclofen's short duration of action a serious problem?

                                Guys,
                                I am all new to this and any advice you can give me would be greatly appreciated. I have a perscription for Bac but have not started yet. Once started, do I continue to drink as normal and wait for Bac to do it's job or do I replace the alcohol with Bac? How long typically after starting does one start to feel less and less to drink?

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