Baclofen and exercise

[Publius]

Baclofen and exercise

cuz trust I wanna get yoked, but there's no way I can do that with the drinking...the hangovers, drunken eating, somnolence simply preclude that possibility

[Lo0p]

Baclofen and exercise

Publius;976294 wrote: yes..to reiterate...go eff urself...but seriously, did this transformation happen after going simply AF or after baclofen, or did the 2 coincide?
I wanted it, like you do.

Publius;976294 wrote: Whenever I go AF I always hit the gym like a maniac, somewhat making up for lost time and the sober realization of what i've done to myself whilst being a drunken idiot, and somewhat because I need to focus my anxiety elsewhere when I'm AF because I am so used to quieting my mind with the horned beast every night and I can't help myself but to fix all the problems I've created for myself during my period of being a hopeless lush.
Ditto.

Publius;976294 wrote: Actually, I've been wondering what parts of my personality I'll lose on bac (I'm only up to 30mg/day). When sober, I've always prided myself on being able to accomplish things in a timeframe that noone else can match. It's like a beastly hyperfocus if you will. I'm worried that this gift is part of the curse, like once my anxiety goes away I won't be the same dysfunctional nutcase that I was before. It's a small concern, as I would trade a lifetime of moderation for flashes of brilliance mixed in among drunken nothingness any day; yet it is something I worry about. Maybe I just stabbed a very interesting thread in the back, but the two kind of coincide, wondering if you had any thoughts...

That's all you buddy. If you can get/stay sober with baclofen (or any way) then you can take all that crap, the curse and kiss it goodbye. The gift, the flashes of brilliance will have free reign. Trust me, I know! :band2:

Publius;976296 wrote: had you ever gone AF before bac or was this the first time...first time I went AF it was on antabuse when I was 20...I had gained 70...yes 70 pounds in the first school year of college. When I went AF 2 years later for 9 mos I lost 80 pounds... going from 235 to 155... jw whether this is a bac thing, an AF thing or both for you?

You could write my biography... :H When I was 25ish I went from 210 lbs down to 155 after getting sober for 6 days/week with antabuse and getting wasted on Sunday. Always wanted to be lean and strong and could never get/stay there because:

Publius;976298 wrote: cuz trust I wanna get yoked, but there's no way I can do that with the drinking...the hangovers, drunken eating, somnolence simply preclude that possibility

The story of my life...until now

[Publius]

Baclofen and exercise

Sometimes it feels like the most dangerous thing in the world when you're dealing with this disease is hope...hope that it has any hope at all. I've always been ready to fight the disease, and all the naysayers that believe it to be some kind of moral short coming, but in full disclosure it's so damn frustrating even the most stoic believers in it's truth as an ugly, biochemical affliction can be beaten down. I can tell you that reading your last post in full made me hold my breath, until I couldn't, and I exasperated with no other emotions than relief and gratitude. It may not have seemed like it to anyone else, but that post made me really hopeful, and thankful, and like there was someone just like me out there. Thank you Lo0p. Once I hit my switch I'll post big time on my sick physical transformation.:thanks:

[Sunnyvalenting]

Baclofen and exercise

I hesitate to jump into this dialog but for me I am doing very well with exercise and diet and have now lost 30 pounds in about 15 weeks with exercise and sensible eating.
In the past I used to go AF for 5-10 days and work out at the gym and eat well. But underneath it I knew I was just getting my body well so I could go on another binge. I was always sort of semi proud of how much abuse my body would take and still register "above average" on the fitness parameter.
Now however I know I am exercising and eating right for the long haul. I am in no rush, but it is fun to see the result. I am not going to post any pics tho! I am an old lady! Loop looks great, why so lean tho 9%? Are you heading for a competition?
Sunny

[Lo0p]

Baclofen and exercise

Publius;976320 wrote: Sometimes it feels like the most dangerous thing in the world when you're dealing with this disease is hope...hope that it has any hope at all. I've always been ready to fight the disease, and all the naysayers that believe it to be some kind of moral short coming, but in full disclosure it's so damn frustrating even the most stoic believers in it's truth as an ugly, biochemical affliction can be beaten down. I can tell you that reading your last post in full made me hold my breath, until I couldn't, and I exasperated with no other emotions than relief and gratitude.
I always blamed myself thought it was my fault and wondered "why can't I just stop?" Then when I learned about TSM I finally began to allow myself to see it for the disease that it is. And now, after I'm cured (my terminology), and the disease (the curse, the demon) is gone and all there is left is me...the real me... do I fully realize and understand just what an illusion it all was. That disease was never a part of me and it never had anything to do with how badly I wanted it or how much willpower I had. I was not in control. I was sick. I dare anyone to come and look at my naked body and fugging try to tell me I don't have willpower. :giggle:

Publius;976320 wrote: It may not have seemed like it to anyone else, but that post made me really hopeful, and thankful, and like there was someone just like me out there. Thank you Lo0p.
Funny, I was thinking the same thing... There's more of us around here too. Shout out to Bminor, you still around here buddy?

Publius;976320 wrote:

Once I hit my switch I'll post big time on my sick physical transformation.:thanks:
I can't wait! I'll read about it with interest over a pint of Ben & Jerry's. :H Start planning now, that's what I am trying to tell you in that hopes and dreams thread I linked to above.

Sunnyvalenting;976339 wrote:

I hesitate to jump into this dialog but for me I am doing very well with exercise and diet and have now lost 30 pounds in about 15 weeks with exercise and sensible eating.

Oh no, this is your thread too Sunny.

Sunnyvalenting;968857 wrote:

Didn't know where to post this but happy to report that In the past 3+ months I have lost over 25 pounds by walking 3 miles a day uphill and eating quite light but lots of veggies and at least 60 grams of high quality protein / day. I also do pull ups, crunches, and back strengthening 2 times/week.
I am very protective of my exercise time. As I plan my day it is not if but WHEN will I fit this in.

I read about this last week and was blown away! :goodjob: Damn good job! That's no easy feat!

Sunnyvalenting;976339 wrote: why so lean tho 9%? Are you heading for a competition?

I am always in a competition, with the only person that matters. My next goal is trying to figure out how to look and feel great all year round while spending as little time and focus on doing so as humanly possible. I'm close to the answer I think...

[Sunnyvalenting]

Baclofen and exercise

Loop,
Have you read any of Sisco's Power Factor books? He makes some interesting claims.
Good Luck and thanks for the welcome
Sunny

[Lo0p]

Baclofen and exercise

Sunnyvalenting;977262 wrote: Have you read any of Sisco's Power Factor books? He makes some interesting claims.

No, but I checked into a little bit since you mentioned it. Sounds interesting! I'm all about different ideas. The things that I've learned about fitness and nutrition in the last year have boggled my mind!

Check this out:

I exercise for 2 to 2 1/2 hours a week now...that's it!

My first meal of the day is at 4pm.

Two years ago if I ever saw someone say that I would have thought it was absolute heresy!

[Sunnyvalenting]

Baclofen and exercise

On Sisco's Static Training he recommends just 10 exercises 1 super rep (basically a static hold) done for 5 seconds with maximum overload in the strongest muscle position. He emphasizes adequate intervals for repair and growth. Says that the test of how long to rest is that we should always be able to improve over the prior session (at least while starting out). He has been around for awhile so I think he is on to something and I am trying it out. I have just started so I will let you know over the next several weeks.
If he is right a person might just need a few minutes a month to get their max muscle workout! (Have to add in a warm up but still pretty impressive if it works.
I still need to do the 3+ miles of walk/jog/aerobic stuff to lose the weight but the muscle will also help with that. It surprises me as I am a 58 year old post menopausal woman and thought it would be difficult to shape up. So many people my age say they can't lose weight. I really think the exercise it the main thing. It should also help my old osteopenic bones. I will get another bone scan next year to test the hypothesis.
Sunny

[Sunnyvalenting]

Baclofen and exercise

I eat small meals and snacks all day long. Just keep fueling up not filling up. I don't "top off"
seems to be working and no symptoms of low blood sugar or weakness. Can't eat too much just before the exercises but need something before and after.

[Bminor]

Baclofen and exercise

[QUOTE=Lo0p;977235]I always blamed myself thought it was my fault and wondered "why can't I just stop?" Then when I learned about TSM I finally began to allow myself to see it for the disease that it is. And now, after I'm cured (my terminology), and the disease (the curse, the demon) is gone and all there is left is me...the real me... do I fully realize and understand just what an illusion it all was. That disease was never a part of me and it never had anything to do with how badly I wanted it or how much willpower I had. I was not in control. I was sick. I dare anyone to come and look at my naked body and fugging try to tell me I don't have willpower. :giggle:



Funny, I was thinking the same thing... There's more of us around here too. Shout out to Bminor, you still around here buddy?



I'm still around here... I don't post much but I will say that I was in touch with Dr. Levin last week so hopefully I will have more to talk about soon!

Me and Lo0p were actually on a couple of the same fitness forums and didn't even know it until just recently and I think we share a lot of the same philosophy when it comes to exercise and nutrition. Lo0p is just making it happen a little better than I am right now! lol.

[ignominous]

Baclofen and exercise

If you and Loop got together you 2 wouldn't be able to get a word in edgewise!

[RudyB]

Baclofen and exercise

okay, i'm gonna dumb it down here but just for a sec.
i've skimmed through this thread and have two burning questions.
1) do you need a prescription for bac? what's the best way to get it?
2) am i getting what you're reporting? bac makes exercise easier, and you build muscle and lose weight faster than without?

okay, that was more than two. help a girl out. i can't tell if there's a concensus on how it's affecting people. maybe i should re-read more carefully, but i'm impatient, and thrilled to think of the possibilities. all of that potential, and it kicks your cravings. hmmm..
i like to fancy myself a runner, and i'm on day 7 AF, would like to get to day one million, and run much better...
thanks.
rudy

[RudyB]

Baclofen and exercise

ok, sorry. i realize my questions are answered all over the place. i did some more (slower) reading and am beginningi to get a more clear picture (sleepy at first, may help w exercise), but i'm still trying to distill it all. and i still haven't found how/if to obtain it. i'll read more. ...but if anyone wants to chime in on my beginner's naivte, i'd be much obliged. no pressure, of course.

[seeking_serenity]

Baclofen and exercise

RudyB, you do need a prescription for Bac. You can get it by: 1) finding a physician who is willing to prescribe high dose (can be tricky sometimes; you can also do phone consultations through Dr. Fred Levin in Chicago, as many of us do) or 2) by ordering online from foreign pharmacies. 4rx and Goldpharma seem to be the ones that MWO members use the most.

Dr. Levin is very easy to reach--if you call his office # he will answer the phone himself. You can reach him there, and he'll give you his home phone # to talk to you between 7-9 p.m. Central time. (I can also pm you his home # if you want.) He does consultations for about $130-150/session, and he accepts insurance. He will call in a prescription to your local Walgreens the same day as your consultation.

I think you will be AMAZED by Bac, as so many of us here are. There is really nothing to lose. I wish you the best!

[RudyB]

Baclofen and exercise

thanks so much serenity!
please do pm me his number. i'm not sure my doc will go for another one of my requests, and i bet he doesn't even know about this stuff...
rudyb