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    #121
    Baclofen Dosage 'Poll'

    Cinders;880858 wrote: Virgil,

    How many mgs/kgs are you at right now?
    Hi Cindi,

    I'm at 1.5mg/kg and I increase my baclofen dose by 10mg approximately every week. Currently, I take 140mg daily and I weigh 92kg. It is my nature to be cautious and, at the moment, my side-effects are not a major problem. In other words, the slow increase in dose over time seems to be working in my favour.

    V.
    "Love's the only engine of survival"

    Leonard Cohen

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      #122
      Baclofen Dosage 'Poll'

      Virgil,

      I agree with the slow dosing. Unfortunately, at my current rate of alcohol consumption, I have been sober for a few days but tend to fail rather spectacularly when I fall off the wagon, I will lose my life as I know it.

      You are going to make it.

      btw, were you the one that wanted me to ask Dr. Levin a question? I have, yet again, forgotten who and what but don't want to forget. If it was you, please resend the pm. I had to clean out my box a week or so ago and lost it in my usual Draconian rape and pillage of the "inbox."

      This time, I will remember to save it to a Notepad for easy access. I figure it will be a month or so before I contact him again.

      Thanks.

      Cindi
      AF April 9, 2016

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        #123
        Baclofen Dosage 'Poll'

        Cinders;880971 wrote: Virgil,

        You are going to make it.Hi Cindi,

        I hope you're right but I have some reservations, which may become the subject of a new thread. It did and can be found at:
        https://www.mywayout.org/community/f2...mma-42942.html

        Cinders;880971 wrote:         btw, were you the one that wanted me to ask Dr. Levin a question? I have, yet again, forgotten who and what but don't want to forget. If it was you, please resend the pm.
        Yes, it was me. I will re-send the PM.

        V.
        "Love's the only engine of survival"

        Leonard Cohen

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          #124
          Baclofen Dosage 'Poll'

          Virgil;880964 wrote: Hi Cindi,

          I'm at 1.5mg/kg and I increase my baclofen dose by 10mg approximately every week. Currently, I take 140mg daily and I weigh 92kg. It is my nature to be cautious and, at the moment, my side-effects are not a major problem. In other words, the slow increase in dose over time seems to be working in my favour.

          V.
          As you are aware, Virgil, the bac/kg level you are at is too low to expect to have reached the switch. I believe your cautious approach will pay off. I have to believe mine will, too.
          Your time is limited, so don't waste it living someone else's life... And most important, have the courage to follow your heart and intuition. They somehow already know what you truly want to become. Everything else is secondary.

          Steve Jobs, Stanford Commencement Adress, 2005

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            #125
            Baclofen Dosage 'Poll'

            cinders, my highest dose was at 90 mg. that is about 1.3 mg/kg. I seem to need the 60-70/day to avoid relapse anxiety. I have been abstinent since mid january 2010. I plan to take some dose maybe just enough? for at least a year of sobriety and then consider my options. I understand dr A still takes a low dose even after many sober years. This would be far better than any relapse I could imagine.

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              #126
              Baclofen Dosage 'Poll'

              I have been wondering too about tapering off bac. Hard to believe your brain would still crave AL. Wouldnt that have been completely removed from your system?

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                #127
                Baclofen Dosage 'Poll'

                Sunny,

                I totally believe that taking low dose Bac is much better than relapsing.

                Road,

                Unfortunately, I believe that those of us who a true alcoholics, not alcohol abusers, were born with a chemical imbalance of the brain.

                Living with a real "normie," I am always amazed how he feels about drinking. He can totally take it or leave it. I believe he has had two "drinking episodes" in the last year. Each of those "episodes" was to drink a beer. After one beer, he just doesn't want another one. He enjoys the taste of a good beer, he enjoys the relaxation it provides but two or more beers makes him feel bad.

                I know when I sit in AA and we discuss the descent into this addiction, the common thread about the beginning is how good our first drink made up feel. I remember how awesome it was. It was incredible. I had never felt that good in my entire life up to that point.

                I don't think it is that way for everyone. It does seem to be that way for alcoholics.

                There is a difference between being and alcoholic and addicted to alcohol. Most of the time us alcoholics are addicted to alcohol, but every time we detox, we get past that addiction. When I read Dr. Amiesen's book, I realized that he not only found a drug that would help us detox, he found us a drug that helped our brains stay at a "normie's" level of consideration for alcohol.

                I think there is a reason that first drink made us feel that "good." There is a reason we were drawn to alcohol after our first taste of the elixir.

                I don't think there is any "cure" for the way we were born.

                Okay. I wrote a tome and I apologize.

                I hope what I have written makes sense and gives you some food for thought.

                Love,
                Cindi
                AF April 9, 2016

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                  #128
                  Baclofen Dosage 'Poll'

                  Cindi, it is not a tome, and it makes perfect, yes perfect, sense to me.
                  Your time is limited, so don't waste it living someone else's life... And most important, have the courage to follow your heart and intuition. They somehow already know what you truly want to become. Everything else is secondary.

                  Steve Jobs, Stanford Commencement Adress, 2005

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                    #129
                    Baclofen Dosage 'Poll'

                    beatle;881202 wrote: As you are aware, Virgil, the bac/kg level you are at is too low to expect to have reached the switch. I believe your cautious approach will pay off. I have to believe mine will, too.
                    Hello beatle,

                    Thanks for your feedback.

                    Elsewhere in this thread, one person (male) experienced the 'switch' in the range 60 - 80mg baclofen per day. He weighs 142lb, which is 65kg. This translates to 0.9 - 1.2mg/kg but this is by no means 'typical'; I use this word carefully as the dosage range is w-i-d-e. So, you're absolutely correct - I would not expect to have reached the 'switch' at this stage.

                    I'm still pursuing Dr Levin's comment that appeared in the following post:

                    https://www.mywayout.org/community/f2...tml#post844281

                    V.
                    "Love's the only engine of survival"

                    Leonard Cohen

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                      #130
                      Baclofen Dosage 'Poll'

                      Virgil. Have you collated the results of this survey?
                      Started Baclofen 3/9/10 Hit my switch at 250mg on 21/11/10 3.125mg/Kg

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                        #131
                        Baclofen Dosage 'Poll'

                        ignominous;963798 wrote: Virgil. Have you collated the results of this survey?
                        Hello ignominous,

                        No, I have not collated all the results to date. However, the figures are there should anyone wish to do so.

                        Unfortunately for me, the side-effects from taking baclofen were unmanageable and many                         weeks ago, I started to taper off this medication. This week, that tapering process was completed so I am now no longer taking baclofen.

                        Once again, I thank everyone who took part in this 'poll'.

                        V.
                        "Love's the only engine of survival"

                        Leonard Cohen

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                          #132
                          Baclofen Dosage 'Poll'

                          Hey Virgil
                          Thanks for that.
                          I don't know your story, sure I could find it if I looked long enough. Did you have succeess, are you AF. I'm feeling spaced from the SEs but I'm considering going up another 10mg tonight as tthey (SEs) have leveled of a bit. What do you think?
                          Someone please compile the info on this thread, even dare I say it, Dr Baclofen himself. Da da, da dar!
                          Started Baclofen 3/9/10 Hit my switch at 250mg on 21/11/10 3.125mg/Kg

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                            #133
                            Baclofen Dosage 'Poll'

                            Interesting. I found only 17 entries that could be counted. Those from people who did not include their weight or who hadn't reached their switch could not be included, and gender was impossible since several entries did not include it.

                            The average "switch" dose is smack-on the prediction: 2.34 mg of baclofen per kg of weight, or 1.2 mg per pound. The highest mg per kg was 3.6 and the lowest was .86. The highest "switch" dose was 270 and the lowest was 60.

                            I'm not a statistician, and I doubt the survey was designed by one. But it's interesting that the average results are right around (very slightly lower) where Ameisen's work indicated they would be.

                            I have no idea how an Excel sheet will copy/paste, but I'll give it a go. Here are the specifics:

                            Name, weight in kg, switch in mg, mg per kg

                            Tiptronic 78 240 3.1
                            Harry 75 120 1.6
                            Brave Hearted 54 120 2.2
                            PhoenixRising 68 180 2.7
                            ThirdMan 64 60 0.93
                            Anna B 63 150 2.4
                            shelbysmiles 68 150 2.2
                            cowgal 54 120 2.2
                            JWHIII 75 190 2.5
                            Spectra 75 180 2.4
                            Craving 2.5
                            WitsEnd 67 210 (av) 3.1
                            Loop 74 270 3.6
                            birdy02 74 270 3.6
                            Herietta 50 130 2.6
                            Road 70 60 0.86
                            Sunnyvalenting 1.3

                            *edit to correct 240 to 270.
                            * * *

                            Tracy

                            ?Our freedom can be measured by the number of things we can walk away from.?
                            - Vernon Howard

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                              #134
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                              Topsy-Turvy-Tracy;982486 wrote:
                              Craving 2.5
                              180cm
                              90kg
                              since 23. Apr 2009 : TSM - failed to reduce units
                              since 08. Jan 2010 : Naltrexone + Baclofen combination therapy
                              reborn since 16. Jan 2010 : Alcohol Free (AF) - only taking Baclofen
                              since 22. May 2010 : Baclofen against anxiety/fear
                              since 14. Mar 2011 : off Baclofen - taking 25mg Topamax/day

                              My stats :
                              http://www.baclofen-forum.com/stats/craving/

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                                #135
                                Baclofen Dosage 'Poll'

                                I think you have my weight wrong



                                Topsy-Turvy-Tracy;982486 wrote: Interesting. I found only 17 entries that could be counted. Those from people who did not include their weight or who hadn't reached their switch could not be included, and gender was impossible since several entries did not include it.

                                The average "switch" dose is smack-on the prediction: 2.34 mg of baclofen per kg of weight, or 1.2 mg per pound. The highest mg per kg was 3.6 and the lowest was .86. The highest "switch" dose was 270 and the lowest was 60.

                                I'm not a statistician, and I doubt the survey was designed by one. But it's interesting that the average results are right around (very slightly lower) where Ameisen's work indicated they would be.

                                I have no idea how an Excel sheet will copy/paste, but I'll give it a go. Here are the specifics:

                                Name, weight in kg, switch in mg, mg per kg

                                Tiptronic 78 240 3.1
                                Harry 75 120 1.6
                                Brave Hearted 54 120 2.2
                                PhoenixRising 68 180 2.7
                                ThirdMan 64 60 0.93
                                Anna B 63 150 2.4
                                shelbysmiles 68 150 2.2
                                cowgal 54 120 2.2
                                JWHIII 75 190 2.5
                                Spectra 75 180 2.4
                                Craving 2.5
                                WitsEnd 67 210 (av) 3.1
                                Loop 74 270 3.6
                                birdy02 74 270 3.6
                                Herietta 50 130 2.6
                                Road 70 60 0.86
                                Sunnyvalenting 1.3

                                *edit to correct 240 to 270.

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