Any women hit the switch (with bac)?

[TracyA]

Any women hit the switch (with bac)?

bleep;1082917 wrote: But does it matter?

Would the increase in the chance of possibility of failure have deterred you? Would you trade what you have now for what you had then? If not, I don't think it's right to be screaming it across the boards as if it were fact.

It's as much as we know right now. Loop says he's noticed for "a very, very long time" that women are not as successful. Actually, the increased chance of possibility of failure would not have deterred me. Because it might deter someone is not a good reason to suppress these discussions. I actually cannot think of a good reason. All you have to do is go back one year in ANY bac thread and witness the number of people, both male and female, who have left. Those numbers are overwhelming compared to the very few we have who are claiming the cure - and most of those are quite recent.

There is at least one poster here who would prefer not to have any discussions of SE's. I do not think it is responsible (or honest) to suppress these discussions because they might deter someone else. The more responsible (and honest) approach is to talk about it, and anything else that pops up along the way.

This forum does not exist for the purpose of promoting baclofen.

There is a mentality in some who post here that promoting baclofen should be the purpose of the people who post here. That's bullshit. That attitude really, really, really, really, really, really bugs me. It sets off a billion red flags, and makes me feel incredibly distrustful. If the history of this forum is any indication, there is no reason to be evangelically optimistic about baclofen. For a great many people, it has not worked - and THAT IS A FACT. For a comparably very few people, it has. That's the present reality.

[bleep]

Any women hit the switch (with bac)?

Tracy, you have completely misinterpreted me if you think I am saying we should suppress information. Jesus.

I'm done with this thread.

[Ne/Neva Eva]

Any women hit the switch (with bac)?

TracyA;1082934 wrote: For a great many people, it has not worked - and THAT IS A FACT. For a comparably very few people, it has. That's the present reality.

Therein lies the question, Tracy. The rest is rather moot, I would humbly suggest. There are a TON of resources to be found about SEs and reasons to NOT take bac.

What are the ones that suggest it's the right course of action for us as individuals?

For me there were a lot. Glass is half-full on my end. Still.
:l

EDIT: Antagonism begets the shutting down of dialogue and information. period. let's keep that in mind, shall we? The eyes on the greater purpose...

[TracyA]

Any women hit the switch (with bac)?

Ne/Neva Eva;1082939 wrote: Therein lies the question, Tracy. The rest is rather moot, I would humbly suggest. There are a TON of resources to be found about SEs and reasons to NOT take bac.

What are the ones that suggest it's the right course of action for us as individuals?

For me there were a lot. Glass is half-full on my end. Still.
:l

EDIT: Antagonism begets the shutting down of dialogue and information. period. let's keep that in mind, shall we? The eyes on the greater purpose...

Sorry, I did not intend to antagonize anyone, least of all Bleep. I really think the diet/physical health thing is playing a role in the successes. I need to find out what Tip does in that realm.

[Murphyx]

Any women hit the switch (with bac)?

TracyA;1082934 wrote: For a great many people, it has not worked - and THAT IS A FACT. For a comparably very few people, it has. That's the present reality.

Eh? what? There's been an awful lot of traffic the last couple of days so I must have missed this. Bac has failed for more people than it's helped? Where did that FACT come from?

[Chi]

Any women hit the switch (with bac)?

TracyA;1082709 wrote: Cowgal committed suicide.

omg that just made me sick.

How sad. Really, really sad.

[Chi]

Any women hit the switch (with bac)?

FWIW I think I am close to hitting the switch.

I'm so glad I leaned about baclofen, I feel quite certain that I will use it to manage my alcoholism/sobriety for many years to come.

I've noticed there has been a lot of bickering on the boards lately. Why is that? Last I checked this place is called MY way out.... not 's way out. We all have to do what is right for ourselves, as individuals.

Do some of you think most success stories continue to hang around on forums? I don't think they do.... some maybe, and I am certainly grateful to those people for sharing info, but I fully expect people to move on. The whole idea of indifference is to stop obsessing about alcohol. It makes sense to me that people move on. They have better things to do now, and I say good for them.

[Bruunhilde]

Any women hit the switch (with bac)?

I think some people get addicted to MWO during the 'seeking a cure' phase and through the getting to AF or moderation phase too. I also think there's a weaning off, if you've spent alot of time here, like I have, like alot of us on this thread have. And then there's the guardian angels like DoggieGirl, who seek to help and support the ones still on the seeking path. At some point, hopefully we will all move along (because we've changed our lives and now LIVE them instead of staying in our caves), but I wouldn't dismiss staying in touch now and then or even more often to check in and /or just to say hello, how's the weather in Z, etc.

[Guest]

Any women hit the switch (with bac)?

TracyA;1082934 wrote: It's as much as we know right now. Loop says he's noticed for "a very, very long time" that women are not as successful. Actually, the increased chance of possibility of failure would not have deterred me. Because it might deter someone is not a good reason to suppress these discussions. I actually cannot think of a good reason. All you have to do is go back one year in ANY bac thread and witness the number of people, both male and female, who have left. Those numbers are overwhelming compared to the very few we have who are claiming the cure - and most of those are quite recent.

There is at least one poster here who would prefer not to have any discussions of SE's. I do not think it is responsible (or honest) to suppress these discussions because they might deter someone else. The more responsible (and honest) approach is to talk about it, and anything else that pops up along the way.

This forum does not exist for the purpose of promoting baclofen.

There is a mentality in some who post here that promoting baclofen should be the purpose of the people who post here. That's bullshit. That attitude really, really, really, really, really, really bugs me. It sets off a billion red flags, and makes me feel incredibly distrustful. If the history of this forum is any indication, there is no reason to be evangelically optimistic about baclofen. For a great many people, it has not worked - and THAT IS A FACT. For a comparably very few people, it has. That's the present reality.

I would edit the line about suppression of side effects. My experience has been that some posters prefer it if Baclofen isn't cast in a negative light, because it's argued it would put people off taking what could be a life-saving drug for them.

[Chi]

Any women hit the switch (with bac)?

Bruunhilde;1083012 wrote: I think some people get addicted to MWO during the 'seeking a cure' phase and through the getting to AF or moderation phase too. I also think there's a weaning off, if you've spent alot of time here, like I have, like alot of us on this thread have. And then there's the guardian angels like DoggieGirl, who seek to help and support the ones still on the seeking path. At some point, hopefully we will all move along (because we've changed our lives and now LIVE them instead of staying in our caves), but I wouldn't dismiss staying in touch now and then or even more often to check in and /or just to say hello, how's the weather in Z, etc.

I agree... I was trying to say there are likely many success stories that don't stay around. It's human nature I think to move on. I'm still seeking so I won't be moving along any time soon.

[terryk]

Any women hit the switch (with bac)?

Did anyone mention kelly/Birdy02 yet?

https://www.mywayout.org/community/f2...0mg-41806.html

How High Dose Baclofen Cured My Alcoholism

I've tried to contact her a few times in the past year to no avail.

-tk, fucking cured, reached switch at 280mg/day on 9/26/10 currently @240mg day

[TracyA]

Any women hit the switch (with bac)?

Murphyx;1082957 wrote: Bac has failed for more people than it's helped? Where did that FACT come from?

Not hard, Murph. Look at any of the older threads. Pick a poster who is no longer here, which will be most of them. Look up all the posts for that poster, follow them. Come to your own conclusions.

[Chi]

Any women hit the switch (with bac)?

terryk;1083023 wrote: Did anyone mention kelly/Birdy02 yet?

https://www.mywayout.org/community/f2...0mg-41806.html

How High Dose Baclofen Cured My Alcoholism

I've tried to contact her a few times in the past year to no avail.

-tk, fucking cured, reached switch at 280mg/day on 9/26/10 currently @240mg day

Thank you for sharing that!!

How has it been for you post switch?

[Isolde]

Any women hit the switch (with bac)?

TracyA;1083033 wrote: Not hard, Murph. Look at any of the older threads. Pick a poster who is no longer here, which will be most of them. Look up all the posts for that poster, follow them. Come to your own conclusions.

I dunno Trace. I would think that it would be more likely that someone wouldn't post here if they no longer had a problem with AL. Like Chi and Bruun are saying, people start living their lives and move on because they're no longer obsessing about alcohol. I'm more inclined to think that if those posters had fallen off the wagon again, more of them would be back here and posting.

Just a theory though, of course. We have no way of knowing. I'll take the optimistic view though.

[Ne/Neva Eva]

Any women hit the switch (with bac)?

terryk;1083023 wrote:
-tk, fucking cured, reached switch at 280mg/day on 9/26/10 currently @240mg day

I've tried to reach birdy, as well. She hasn't logged on since November 2010 I think.

I've tried to reach you, too, Terry. I'd love to hear your story if you've got the time. (ftr, I printed out the story about the hospital and your partner bringing you bac for my husband so that he is clear about the importance of it! Thank you.)