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[craving]

The End of Addiction on Amazon now!

bernard;812036 wrote:
What is the same:
No psychiatrist has ever or will ever read either book. If you try to hand them either book they will tell you how to find the nearest biohazard waste incinerator.

Moreover, the tiny minority involved in alcoholism who have even heard of Ameisen will dismiss, disparage, and dissemble if asked about either book. A Ph.D. researcher at a major alcoholism institute snorted to me that Ameisen took "sedating doses" of baclofen and that the only thing that works is AA.

thats really sad to hear. I already knew that it is bad, but seeing such ignorance in words makes me even more sad.

Many people here are the proof that Baclofen works - me including. And I feel pity for anyone who is not willing to look into Bac. It is worth it - and it should be worthwhile for any doctor. But I stopped believing in doctors a while back. They have no interest in getting you healthy - all the want is to continue charging you - so if you are better that is actually bad for them :upset::upset:

just like lawyers. if the dispute is over, they have a client less - so they will make sure the dispute does not end too fast!

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Azuldog,
How are you making out on Bac?
I am 21 days in, 17AF, actually have been motivated to try to get in shape and get rid of the beer belly!

[craving]

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Hoping for the best;812067 wrote: Azuldog,
How are you making out on Bac?
I am 21 days in, 17AF, actually have been motivated to try to get in shape and get rid of the beer belly!

CONGRATULATIONS hoping! :goodjob:

Just another proof that it works - along with many many people here on this board. tip is sober for more than 6 months already using Bac!

I am "just" sober 41 days - effortless - it did "click" and I was not interested into alcohol anymore. Anyone really looking into curing people should definitely look into Baclofen!!!

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Craving,
Awesome news. How fast did you "titerate" up - to what dosage and how did you know it clicked? What were your cravings like throughout your journey on bac? I dont seem to have cravings, is it possible i have Clicked? I am currently on 20-20-20

[craving]

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Hoping for the best;812091 wrote: Craving,
Awesome news. How fast did you "titerate" up - to what dosage and how did you know it clicked? What were your cravings like throughout your journey on bac? I dont seem to have cravings, is it possible i have Clicked? I am currently on 20-20-20

I titrated up like crazy. My fastest step was 150mg more in 2 days. I hit my switch around 250mg. Since then I am starting to slowly go down - right now at 187.5mg - but looking forward for 100mg within the next 6 weeks - sllooowwwwlyy.

When you hit the switch you notice it - you see alcohol and you feel like damn, i really DON'T want to drink it.
The interesting thing for me was that I kept on hitting the switch several times temporary on increasing the dose very fast. So every time I increase the dose I felt indifferent to alcohol - which I consider the switch. I was really scared at that time that I need to keep and keep on increasing it to achieve this. The switch was hit permanently at 250mg. Since then I have tried different dose to see what happens. I was at 100mg already and I was without craving - what made me spike up again in Baclofen was that I would sleep 18 hours and really feel without energy. But that is because I really did it too fast.

I lost a little bit of respect of Baclofen as I did not fell dead when titrating up 150mg in 2 days, so I started to dose it like needed.

The best results come from constant intake - and NOW if I am reducing it - I am only reducing it every 4th day and just by 10 to 12.5mg only. I made the mistake several times to reduce the intake too fast, and it slapped back in the form of increasing the dose very heavily in one big step to conquer either way craving or feeling really really tired.

[azuldog]

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Sad but predictable

Like Dr. A said in his book.....there's no money in researching Baclofen. When it has been tested, the researchers did not take into account individual differences (switch points) so if they stop at too low a dose they conclude it is not effective.

Having been a substance abuse counselor and having a few years under my belt with AA, I can tell ya there is an evangelical in AA and a commercial interest in inpt. treatment. Nothing scientific about either one. Dont get me wrong AA works for those whom it works and god bless them....it just aint for everybody. Its hard to get good stats from either source.

Im trying to introduce the information on Bac to my dr. and not trying to appear as a nut-job.
Until he opens his mind I will continue to buy online. This is too important to wait for non-addicts to catch up with the rest of us who want a real cure and a real life.

love, peace, happiness, azuldog

[eight days a week]

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Bernard, thank you so much for summarising the differences between the two (US?) editions :goodjob: I presume the same may quite well be true then of the two UK paperbacks available.

bernard;812036 wrote:

...
What is the same:
No psychiatrist has ever or will ever read either book. If you try to hand them either book they will tell you how to find the nearest biohazard waste incinerator.

Moreover, the tiny minority involved in alcoholism who have even heard of Ameisen will dismiss, disparage, and dissemble if asked about either book. A Ph.D. researcher at a major alcoholism institute snorted to me that Ameisen took "sedating doses" of baclofen and that the only thing that works is AA.

I'm not sure about some of this. My psychiatrist prescribes me Baclofen for alcohol, though admittedly that may be very rare. And the local addiction agency (a charity you have to go through for referral for public detox here) are well aware of Baclofen, and are seeing more patients taking it for alcohol abstinence.

I agree though, turning up at an unsympathetic psychiatrists with any sort of book will almost certainly get you nowhere. Taking copies of the actual reports on Baclofen (hasn't Lo0p made a thread with all of the information on?) will get you further imho.

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craving;812107 wrote: I titrated up like crazy. My fastest step was 150mg more in 2 days. I hit my switch around 250mg. Since then I am starting to slowly go down - right now at 187.5mg - but looking forward for 100mg within the next 6 weeks - sllooowwwwlyy.

When you hit the switch you notice it - you see alcohol and you feel like damn, i really DON'T want to drink it.
The interesting thing for me was that I kept on hitting the switch several times temporary on increasing the dose very fast. So every time I increase the dose I felt indifferent to alcohol - which I consider the switch. I was really scared at that time that I need to keep and keep on increasing it to achieve this. The switch was hit permanently at 250mg. Since then I have tried different dose to see what happens. I was at 100mg already and I was without craving - what made me spike up again in Baclofen was that I would sleep 18 hours and really feel without energy. But that is because I really did it too fast.

I lost a little bit of respect of Baclofen as I did not fell dead when titrating up 150mg in 2 days, so I started to dose it like needed.

The best results come from constant intake - and NOW if I am reducing it - I am only reducing it every 4th day and just by 10 to 12.5mg only. I made the mistake several times to reduce the intake too fast, and it slapped back in the form of increasing the dose very heavily in one big step to conquer either way craving or feeling really really tired.

Craving,
That is how I have been feeling the last few days, very tired. I wondered if it is because i went from 10-10-10 to 20-20-20? I sleep really well but feel tired all day long. Dont get me wrong, It is a small price to pay to get rid of that poison!
Azuldog,
What is your current drinking status?

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Hoping for the best;812135 wrote: Craving,
That is how I have been feeling the last few days, very tired. I wondered if it is because i went from 10-10-10 to 20-20-20? I sleep really well but feel tired all day long. Dont get me wrong, It is a small price to pay to get rid of that poison!
Azuldog,
What is your current drinking status?

I do not know your statistics, but 30mg a day would not have stopped me drinking, and 60mg neither.

Wait at least 3 days to see what happens. It is a pain that we need to wait, but the body needs to get used to it. If you can deal with these 3 days your body will recover and you will be awake and not tired like before.

[azuldog]

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Current drinking status for Hope....

Probably 40yrs of drinking with a few years off here and there.
Currently Ive been drinking 6-8 oz of vodka mixed with Merlot to hide it from my wife.

Up to 30mg/da with Bac. Yesterday was AF and I felt flu-ish and was sweating in the evening. This morning the Bottle Whisperer had me put Merlot on my shopping list and right now he convinced me that 8oz wouldnt hurt anything. Rat-bastard.

So it goes.

dog

[azuldog]

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Hey Tip.....

Thanks for the encouragment....it means allot.......dog

[bernard]

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eight days a week;812127 wrote: ...for summarising the differences between the two (US?) editions
Yes, I'm only comparing the US editions sold by US Amazon.

eight days a week;812127 wrote: And the local addiction agency (a charity you have to go through for referral for public detox here) are well aware of Baclofen, and are seeing more patients taking it for alcohol abstinence.

Wow. You are way ahead of us here in the US where we have some psychiatrists forbidding baclofen for alcoholics with baseless claims that it interferes with monoamine reuptake inhibitors used for depression. Debased, depraved, and defiant, these medical nihilists preach only the moral and financial bleeding by AA and the rehab-medical complex.